Ketogenic (Keto) Diet/Lifestyle

[Thainess]

Just like all the other fad diets, it doesn't work (100% guaranteed) and it could actually do you a lot of harm. Total BS. To lose weight, you just need to eat a bit less (anything you want) and exercise more. Simple. All these fad diets are only trying to sell books or make money off you in some other way. Avoid them.

[bkk6060]

 

 

3 hours ago, lensta said:

You should really find out what a ketogenic diet is before posting. The Atkins diet is high protein. I do not take in more than the recommended daily amount of protein which is .85 grams of protein per kilo of target body weight.

Are you speaking from personal experience?

 

A specialized dietitian calculates the ketogenic diet based on individual needs to provide a precise ratio of fat to carbohydrate and protein. The diet is extremely low in carbs, eliminating all the fiber-rich grains and severely limiting the portions of fruits and vegetables. The unusual balance of fat and carbohydrates decreases your fiber intake drastically, placing you at high risk of constipation.

 

I've been doing keto for 15 days now and I haven't had many issues except for crazy bad breath and a screwed up menstrual cycle, but I am having a seriously hard time with bowel movements. I've had issues with this since puberty, but it seems to have gotten much worse on keto. I don't want to quit because I feel pretty good despite these issues and I am losing weight, but having one bowel movement every 6-8 days is seriously getting to me! I keep reading about people having diarrhea with keto and tbh I would rather be on that end of the spectrum than dealing with this. I've even added extra fiber to all of my meals with Metamucil but it's not really helping..

Tl;dr: very backed up in the #2 dept and have no idea how to fix it without taking very high carb laxatives. Need help.

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 http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/05/15/cons-high-protein-diets.html

 

Hmmm.  Do you know what diet you are on?  Many many articles about the problems due to lack of proper fiber.

 

If one is OK with constipation and or Hemorrhoids, then I guess it can be the right diet for you. Good luck with it!

 

[peterb17]

3 hours ago, Tapster said:

@lvr181

 

@peterb17

 

Here's the evidence I promised.

It's in the form of a video presented by Dr Robert Lustig of the University of California, San Francisco.

Dr Lustig is a paediatric endocrinologist and a specialist in childhood obesity.

 

These are his credentials :  http://profiles.ucsf.edu/robert.lustig

 

and this is his entry in Wikipedia:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lustig

 

The video is here:   http://www.uctv.tv/shows/Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-16717

 

It is called "Sugar: the Bitter Truth" and can also be found on YouTube.

 

The video goes into the detailed biochemistry of carbohydrate and fat metabolism which should please peterb17, and there are peer-reviewed papers aplenty which will hopefully satisfy lvr181.

 

It's a long watch at an hour and a half but if you want to know why refined carbohydrates are causing the current obesity and diabetes epidemic and why the low-fat diet advice from the 70s onwards was not only wrong but subsequently led to the aforementioned epidemic, it's all there.

 

I find the arguments compelling. I look forward to your thoughts.

Hi there thanks for the links I watched the video- well presented.

 

I used to give lectures on carbohydrate metabolism in the liver - so the biochemistry is familiar.

 

I also used to include a section on the dangers of high fructose corn syrup- dreadful stuff .

 

In my post I advocated a balanced diet with plenty of veg and that complex carbohydrates are not so bad - my fault not everyone would understand what 'complex ' would mean. It refers to starch - which is made up purely of glucose. So the good doctor's message was really - high fibre and cut out fructose- which he argues is a toxin. 

 

I personally do have  sugary drinks, no fruit juice and avoid puddings at restaurants- a bag of sugar ( sucrose)  lasts for ages at home. 

It's tricky here as Thai food has a lot of sugar added. 

 

All that said going to make chocolate ice cream this afternoon- but everything in moderation , life would get a bit dull if you obsessed about everything you ate, but you can be sensible. 

Apparently , some people are developing mental issues as they become so obsessed with these fad diets! 

[lvr181]

4 hours ago, Tapster said:

@lvr181

 

@peterb17

 

Here's the evidence I promised.

It's in the form of a video presented by Dr Robert Lustig of the University of California, San Francisco.

Dr Lustig is a paediatric endocrinologist and a specialist in childhood obesity.

 

These are his credentials :  http://profiles.ucsf.edu/robert.lustig

 

and this is his entry in Wikipedia:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lustig

 

The video is here:   http://www.uctv.tv/shows/Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-16717

 

It is called "Sugar: the Bitter Truth" and can also be found on YouTube.

 

The video goes into the detailed biochemistry of carbohydrate and fat metabolism which should please peterb17, and there are peer-reviewed papers aplenty which will hopefully satisfy lvr181.

 

It's a long watch at an hour and a half but if you want to know why refined carbohydrates are causing the current obesity and diabetes epidemic and why the low-fat diet advice from the 70s onwards was not only wrong but subsequently led to the aforementioned epidemic, it's all there.

 

I find the arguments compelling. I look forward to your thoughts.

See this:

 

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089

 

There are too many doubts raised, so I cannot find your 'arguments' compelling.

[lensta]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

 

 

 

A specialized dietitian calculates the ketogenic diet based on individual needs to provide a precise ratio of fat to carbohydrate and protein. The diet is extremely low in carbs, eliminating all the fiber-rich grains and severely limiting the portions of fruits and vegetables. The unusual balance of fat and carbohydrates decreases your fiber intake drastically, placing you at high risk of constipation.

 

I've been doing keto for 15 days now and I haven't had many issues except for crazy bad breath and a screwed up menstrual cycle, but I am having a seriously hard time with bowel movements. I've had issues with this since puberty, but it seems to have gotten much worse on keto. I don't want to quit because I feel pretty good despite these issues and I am losing weight, but having one bowel movement every 6-8 days is seriously getting to me! I keep reading about people having diarrhea with keto and tbh I would rather be on that end of the spectrum than dealing with this. I've even added extra fiber to all of my meals with Metamucil but it's not really helping..

Tl;dr: very backed up in the #2 dept and have no idea how to fix it without taking very high carb laxatives. Need help.

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Hmmm.  Do you know what diet you are on?  Many many articles about the problems due to lack of proper fiber.

 

If one is OK with constipation and or Hemorrhoids, then I guess it can be the right diet for you. Good luck with it!

 

I do not have constipation, hemorrhoids or diarrhea. The bad breath for me is only when I wake in the morning but I do carry a breath freshener with me throughout the day.

[bberrythailand]

12 hours ago, Thainess said:

Just like all the other fad diets, it doesn't work (100% guaranteed) and it could actually do you a lot of harm. Total BS. To lose weight, you just need to eat a bit less (anything you want) and exercise more. Simple. All these fad diets are only trying to sell books or make money off you in some other way. Avoid them.

 

Clearly talking about what you do not know.

[bberrythailand]

15 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

The biggest problem with these high protein diets is lack of fiber.

Sure, it may lower your sugar, but can create orher serious issues.

Lack of fiber if you eat a lot of veg ? Wrong again !

 

 

[Bang Bang]

You don't need no diet to get in shape. Just sex and lots of it with a heavy woman. Yes, she has to be heavy.

 

Bounce a heavy woman in cow or reverse cow rapidly for a few minutes a couple of times a day and if a 6-pack doesn't pop up on your abdomen after a couple of weeks let me know. Lay her on a mat and pump missionary. That's lats, pecs and triceps. Pick her up and slam her against a wall and go at it. Thighs and biceps. Doggy will get your back strong and straight.  

 

Follow this for a month and you'll be laughing at your friends as you dig into a pizza while they sit on their fat butts pecking miserably at a salad.

Edited July 30, 2017 by Bang Bang

[Happy Grumpy]

All this stuff is nonsense.

 

Calories in, calories out.

 

That's what matters, nothing else.

 

You can eat bread, ice cream, pizza for breakfast lunch and dinner, but if the calories you're burning are more than that you're intaking, you'll lose weight.

 

 

Get a threadmill, exercise daily and burn some calories, eat a balanced diet without going overboard.

 

Done!

[A1Str8]

It may work. It may not. Everything is individualized! One of the posters mentioned above that he was on a keto diet for years then switched to high carb and lost quite a bit of weight easily. That's about keto. I train every day and experimented with everything under the sun. They say high carb is a must if you train regularly. Not true. On a high fat diet I was equally strong and big. They say a lot of protein is a must. Not true. I was equally strong and big when I cut my protein intake in half instead of consuming obscene amounts of it. 

What you need to listen to is your body, not something that you read on the internet. 

These days everyone knows everything but most people are still out of shape, unhappy and broke. 

Your body already knows what it needs. Pay attention to how you feel after you eat the food. If it feels good it is beneficial. If it feels bad then it works against you. But very important, it's not about how it tastes! It's about how the body feels. 

 

[bberrythailand]

12 hours ago, A1Str8 said:

It may work. It may not. Everything is individualized! One of the posters mentioned above that he was on a keto diet for years then switched to high carb and lost quite a bit of weight easily. That's about keto. I train every day and experimented with everything under the sun. They say high carb is a must if you train regularly. Not true. On a high fat diet I was equally strong and big. They say a lot of protein is a must. Not true. I was equally strong and big when I cut my protein intake in half instead of consuming obscene amounts of it. 

What you need to listen to is your body, not something that you read on the internet. 

These days everyone knows everything but most people are still out of shape, unhappy and broke. 

Your body already knows what it needs. Pay attention to how you feel after you eat the food. If it feels good it is beneficial. If it feels bad then it works against you. But very important, it's not about how it tastes! It's about how the body feels. 

 

 

Smartest reply of this thread ! Thank you !

 

For me reducing carb is just a way to eat less calories. Because most of my food was carb. So yes, what works is not to eat no carb, but just get less calories.

 

 

 

 

 

[Tapster]

@A1Str8

 

Listen to your body isn't science, it's woo.....for most rational people. You can do many things about your diet and you'll still feel better. It takes physiological evidence to put one on the right track. Maybe I don't have the ability to hear my body, but I know how to try something and see how my body reacts to it.

 

I choose nothing more hardcore than reducing calories from carbs and increasing calories from fatty foods, with protein and veggies/fruit controlled to reasonable levels.

 

I find the science behind this makes it credible and a good way of controlling blood glucose, insulin levels and fat deposition. Exercise and training on top of this is beneficial, of course.

 

The thing is: the low fat paradigm is debunked.

This isn't a fad. It's the real thing. The science is there, despite what some have said in this thread.

High carbs....put in processed food to replace the taste/satisfied feelings lost by reducing fat....lead to spiking insulin levels and ultimately insulin resistance and Type 2 diabetes.

High carbs also lead to increases in the type of cholesterol which is the main cause of heart problems related to diet.

 

An LCHF diet is the way to go, for health and fitness.

 

I think we're on the same track. I largely agree with what you say.

[Thainess]

On 7/30/2017 at 11:58 PM, bberrythailand said:

 

Clearly talking about what you do not know.

 

No, YOU are. It clearly doesn't work. No diets do. By the way, I'm not overweight.

[Tapster]

@Thainess

 

Your last comment sounds a little like a troll post.

 

You can, of course, say what you like but to say that no diets work is clearly not true.

 

Many diets will produce weight loss, even if it's only as a result of the diet reducing the total intake of calories.

 

The LCHF way of eating is definitely healthy and is based on sound science (see earlier posts).

 

The Keto Diet is a more extreme method of weight loss, based on LCHF principles. It is not recommended as a long-term diet but will result in significant weight loss.

 

These are facts, however your opinion is only your opinion.

 

 

[A1Str8]

On 7/31/2017 at 9:55 AM, Tapster said:

@A1Str8

 

Listen to your body isn't science, it's woo.....for most rational people. You can do many things about your diet and you'll still feel better. It takes physiological evidence to put one on the right track. Maybe I don't have the ability to hear my body, but I know how to try something and see how my body reacts to it.

 

I choose nothing more hardcore than reducing calories from carbs and increasing calories from fatty foods, with protein and veggies/fruit controlled to reasonable levels.

 

I find the science behind this makes it credible and a good way of controlling blood glucose, insulin levels and fat deposition. Exercise and training on top of this is beneficial, of course.

 

The thing is: the low fat paradigm is debunked.

This isn't a fad. It's the real thing. The science is there, despite what some have said in this thread.

High carbs....put in processed food to replace the taste/satisfied feelings lost by reducing fat....lead to spiking insulin levels and ultimately insulin resistance and Type 2 diabetes.

High carbs also lead to increases in the type of cholesterol which is the main cause of heart problems related to diet.

 

An LCHF diet is the way to go, for health and fitness.

 

I think we're on the same track. I largely agree with what you say.

lol. listening to your body is not woo. It's just how it works. The body is the most sophisticated system ever created. 

Don't you think that paying attention to its needs is a bit more than woo? LMFAO. 

[Oxx]

2 hours ago, A1Str8 said:

lol. listening to your body is not woo. It's just how it works. The body is the most sophisticated system ever created. 

Don't you think that paying attention to its needs is a bit more than woo? LMFAO. 

 

My body tells me I should live on a diet of chocolate cake, crisps, braised belly pork and whisky.  Do you think I should be listening to it?

 

Of course the body can't be trusted.  Tastes developed in an evolutionary period when, for instance, sugar and salt were rare.  Foods available today are very different from those of our evolutionary forebears, and our body's natural desires simply can't be trusted.  So, of course listening to one's body is "woo".

[taiping]

On 7/29/2017 at 11:35 AM, Oxx said:

 

There are just two things wrong with that:

 

(1) He designed the diet.  He didn't follow it himself.

 

(2) He died not from a heart attack, but from falling over on an icy pavement and hitting his head.

Why follow a health guru who was 88 Kg at the time of his hospital admission following his fall, and previously had a cardiac arrest, which they said was due to a chronic infection? His wife refused an autopsy on his death, aged 72.

I think for most people a keto diet is not sustainable in the long run, and the weight loss is quickly reversed afterwards, as confirmed by others on this blog.

Yes, I lost 13 Kg in 3-months. I do not know if it did any good for my prostate cancer. I am doubtful about that because of the difficulty in reducing blood sugar levels, although proponents say that ketones put stress on the cancer cells. Maybe.

[Oxx]

36 minutes ago, taiping said:

Why follow a health guru who was 88 Kg at the time of his hospital admission following his fall, and previously had a cardiac arrest, which they said was due to a chronic infection? His wife refused an autopsy on his death, aged 72.

 

You seem determined to make something out of nothing.  The reason his wife refused an autopsy is because it was against her Jewish beliefs.  Nothing remotely suspicious there.  And anyway, he'd died in hospital, and the cause of his death was abundantly clear.

 

And he most certainly wasn't a "health guru".  He was simply a doctor who came up with an effective form of weight loss through diet.  His personal weight is utterly irrelevant.  Your argument is akin to "I won't take this cure for cancer because the doctor who invented it died of cancer".  All that matters is whether his diet is (a) effective, and (b) safe.  And for the vast majority of people, the answer on both counts is a resounding "yes".

[InMyShadow]

One has to dedicate your life to this diet. Slipping back onto carbs will take you straight back to where you were.
I lost 15kg in 2 months but slipped up by drinking beer and that of course was followed up by the odd pizza
Anyway Already started the diet again and ready know what the results will be.. It's almost like a science

[A1Str8]

On 8/5/2017 at 0:48 PM, Oxx said:

 

My body tells me I should live on a diet of chocolate cake, crisps, braised belly pork and whisky.  Do you think I should be listening to it?

 

Of course the body can't be trusted.  Tastes developed in an evolutionary period when, for instance, sugar and salt were rare.  Foods available today are very different from those of our evolutionary forebears, and our body's natural desires simply can't be trusted.  So, of course listening to one's body is "woo".

Of course the body can be trusted! it's your mind that tells you to eat chocolate etc because it tastes good. your body will never tell you that. if you don't know what you are talking about then educate yourself and come back later. 

[lensta]

3 hours ago, taiping said:

Why follow a health guru who was 88 Kg at the time of his hospital admission following his fall, and previously had a cardiac arrest, which they said was due to a chronic infection? His wife refused an autopsy on his death, aged 72.

I think for most people a keto diet is not sustainable in the long run, and the weight loss is quickly reversed afterwards, as confirmed by others on this blog.

Yes, I lost 13 Kg in 3-months. I do not know if it did any good for my prostate cancer. I am doubtful about that because of the difficulty in reducing blood sugar levels, although proponents say that ketones put stress on the cancer cells. Maybe.

I assume that you are talking about Dr Atkins. He invented the Atkins diet not the Keto Diet. The Atkins Diet was high in protein, moderate fat and low carbs. The Keto Diet is high in fat, moderate protein intake and low carbs.

Edited August 6, 2017 by lensta

[InMyShadow]

The question is what is safer. A high fat diet or actually being fat

[dddave]

Spend some time on Google and one finds scientific support for just about all the major, popular diet methods...it really is a matter of finding a diet you think you can work with and get enough food fulfillment from to be able to stay on it

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Sadly, recent research has also shown that the body is inclined to sabotage your efforts the further along you get.  A recent study showed that the more many persons lost weight, the more their base metabolism slowed, thus burning less calories performing basic functions like digestion and circulation.  I don't have it in front of me but they studied several years worth of contestants from the TV show, "The Biggest Looser" who had lost significant amounts of weight while participating in the contest.  They found that every single contestant on that show regained nearly all, if not more then they started with in less than 2 years.  They found several areas besides the metabolism slowdown in which the body reacted in an abnormal way to reverse weight loss...very discouraging really as even contestants who went on strict regimens, eating even less calories than during the contest and continuing strenuous exercise continued to gain weight.

 

As another poster pointed out, our nutrition system developed tens of of thousands years ago when seasonal change meant huge changes in food intake and fat retention.  Months at a time in northern climates with no vegetables and only meat fats available, then often periods of time with little protein at all.  Our bodies have mechanisms within, evolved to deal with hard core nutritional privations and we have little understanding of the real complexities of  these processes.  

The same way our own immune system can sometimes attack us, our nutritional system can turn on us as well, responding to old threats far removed from our modern lifestyles.  In a very oversimplified way, it seems our bodies can interpret a strict weight loss diet as a famine, and deal with it accordingly.

 

Realistically, for most of us, it will always be somewhat of a struggle with up's and down's.  Where with our far ancestors, it was a constant struggle with scarcity and starvation, ours is with overabundance and indulgence.

 

It's not a bad idea to start a weight loss effort with keeping a strict food log for a few weeks...like entering every single thing passing your mouth, including water.  What emerges is how often you eat the same things.  Mark down quantities as well as calories and carbos.  It turns out to be not too difficult because you repeat the same things so often, you don't need to look them up.

What will emerge is a powerful profile of the foods that you know are hurting you. As you start to eliminate those foods and good things start to happen, it becomes easier and you'll find yourself avoiding certain "poison" foods like chips simply because you don't want to have to face writing it down.

 

There is no "right" way, nor "wrong" way to loose weight...just the way that works best for you and the one you can stick with.

Just don't get too discouraged and angry with yourself when it starts to come on again...that's just the way it is.

[RT85]

i have a history for various diets and was very much into fitness and nutrition some 12 odd years ago..

 

over the last 4-6 years I've really 'let my self go'' so I haven't been in the best shape..

 

suspecting I was prediabetic.. I decided to update my nutritional knowledge (I can be rather stubborn on old habits!)

 

it's been about 3 weeks on the LCHF diet... somewhat of a keto--ish diet..

 

started at 103kg... i'm now under 100 for the first time in many years.. currently 98Kg

 

I feel a lot better, many ailments have improved drastically. signs of pre-diabetes have almost gone away completely!

 

1. no shaky hands or mystery ''wet toe sensation"

2. dark skin around my neck is almost completely gone, smooth and not "dirty" anymore.. used to feel eeky in the past.

3. never felt so in control of my appetite before.. it's pretty life changing for me. I thought missing carbs would hit me a lot harder.. and I have practically no carb cravings.. even with pizza!

4. very frequent urination has almost become more 'normal'.. use to be embarrassing when out with people they keep asking why I keep going to the bathroom.

 

keto is definitely not for everyone.. and yes... those who go back to their old lifestyles are likely to go back to their old bodies again. i'm sticking to this as long as I can, until my body heals it's insulin resistance... and then I may slowly scale in  a little of carbs in my regular days.. more of social events and meet ups..

 

i'm so much more conscious on what I take in now.. I used to consider myself "healthy"because I hardly ate fatty stuff... and tried to avoid sweet foods and drinks...

 

what I didn't admit to myself (despite having nutrition background) is that I was taking more carbs than I was active for... like it or not everything turns into sugar.. glucose etc...

 

it works for me now... but some people can't handle it... 

 

for those of you like me who are really over weight... keto is the least painful diet to be on.. because u can enjoy nice savoury foods.. meats and all.

 

cheers and good luck!

 

 

Edited September 1, 2017 by RT85

[DividendGuy]

Sorry to be out of the loop for so long as I was in Europe on business and had to return to Canada on a personal matter. Usually, when I start a thread I try not to hog the forum with too many of my own comments when I am trying to learn something that I know very little about. I appreciate all of your comments...thank you.

 

After reading your comments and other articles on lifestyle eating changes I have decided to start out first by;

 

1) Not eating any fatty carbohydrates that the body turns to sugar such as; potatoes, noodles/pasta, rice, fruit juices, grains, sodas etc. (the body automatically makes its own if your blood sugar is very low). 

 

2) No sugars of any type and any additional sauces that have added sugars. I don't drink so maybe that is a plus. 

 

3) Fasting: I have already started the 18/6 hours of fasting to start out with ( basically the overnight fast and skipping breakfast except for coffee) eating lunch and dinner within the 6 hour window.

 

I have recently started this style of eating and it has been a breeze so far. Long-term who Knows so, I will try for a year at a time.

 

DividendGuy

 

 

[Oxx]

27 minutes ago, DividendGuy said:

1) Not eating any fatty carbohydrates that the body turns to sugar such as; potatoes, noodles/pasta, rice, fruit juices, grains, sodas etc.

 

"Fatty carbohydrates"? Your knowledge of nutrition is woefully lacking almost to the point of complete ignorance.  There is nothing remotely "fatty" about any of the foodstuffs you list.  Do you really think you have enough understanding to start indulging in freakish diets whilst risking your own health?

[turgid]

I've been going  Keto for eight weeks.

I've cut out potatoes, bread, rice and pasta, daily starbucks and cake  and basically eat meat,fish or eggs with  a pile  of vegetables for all my meals and pomelo,  raw nuts and cheese for  fridge snacks. Eaten more steak lamb and salmon in the last 8 weeks than previous six months. All grilled or fried with Olive Oil.   Ive been cooking a lot more.

As others have mentioned with the extra fat I dont get any cravings for  carb foods or get especially hungry. I do however miss some of the routines associated with going down for a morning coffee and cake.    I do occasionally get sugar cravings so  I have had the odd ice cream or hot chocolate.  

My weight was OK I wasnt doing it  for weight reasons more to see if it would help with brain fog.  I  have dumped 3KG  mostly it seems from my neck and waist which is good .  I urinated like a race horse for the  second  week so most of that weight loss  was water. Even though i'm exercising the same amount I have lost some muscle tone.  I couldnt sleep for a week , was waking after 4 hours, that has got better. 

Around week 2  i walked around with a horrible salty taste in my mouth (other people have described it as metallic).  I asssume that was  some kind of rebalance due to the water loss.  My energy when i run is down a bit although i'm carrying less weight so  running should be easier. Various people report that the energy should come back,  it hasn't yet for me.     

I've always had high cholesterol and that has jumped up a bit. Without more detailed testing  which isnt available in Thailand its impossible to tell if its actually good or bad.  Based on the numbers over the  last 90 days the good has got better and the bad has got worse.    With regards the the brain fog emotionally i feel fairly flat and perhaps a little more analytical.  

I'm going to stick with it for 90 more days and see what happens and how I feel at the end of that period.

 

 

 

[Tapster]

@turgid

 

Please post again after your 90 days.

 

Edited September 15, 2017 by Tapster

[Pungdo]

1 hour ago, turgid said:

I'm going to stick with it for 90 more days and see what happens and how I feel at the end of that period.

To see where it leads you you really need to stick it out for at least a year, a lot of what you have been describing can fall under the heading of "Keto Flu" not everybody suffers it, but it will go away, on the pissing thing, for every 1 gram of glucose your body turns to fat to store it will store 3 grams of water, so that tells you that you are using up all the stored glycogen and getting rid of the water that was stored with it.

As I said much earlier in this thread I have been on the LCHF woe now for 2 years and will not be going back to my old eating habits, I got all of my bloods and urine checks a couple of weeks ago and everything is spot on with the exception of the LDL, but I no longer pay any attention to it, partly because of what you said about the lack of testing available here and partly because the whole cholesterol thing is all based on bad science and has been proven to be a crock.

 

Try to give up the sweet stuff all together, took me a little while to stop using stevia in my coffee, but now I just have some whipping cream and it no longer tastes bitter the way it did before, indeed 85-90% Lindt Dark Chocolate almost taste sweet to me now.

Edited September 15, 2017 by Pungdo

[JHolmesJr]

Keto is an interesting way of eating but I feel the individual must adapt it to suit them.

 

For instance I don't agree in ingesting massive amounts of fat from the get go. The idea 

is to starve your body of carbs so it resorts to burning fat….preferably your existing fat.

How's it going to do that if you keep introducing lots of new fat daily? I believe in ramping

up the fat intake gradually, over a few months.

 

Constipation is a problem and you must eat a lot of low carb veggies every day, to support 

your liver. Or it will get fatty. Also you have to drink a lot of water daily.

 

If you want to do keto you better learn to cook….i cant imagine a single dish on a thai menu

supporting leto…they put sugar in everything.

 

Get a good sweetener for coffee, tea, desserts. Lakanto from herb is great. you can 

also source some pure monk fruit powder…its 300 times sweeter than sugar and 

scores 0 on carbs, calories and Glycemic Load.