16 hours ago, colinneil said:

Removing the admiral will not solve the problem.

As geriatrickid said aggressive arrogance is mainly to blame, we are the US navy we move over for no one.

Finisterre lighthouse is a prime example, US carrier group and Spanish lighthouse incident.

BS and from the usual suspects.

Edited August 23, 20178 yr by hawker9000

1 hour ago, Credo said:

Well, that makes me feel a lot less critical of that Titanic running into an iceberg.   What are the chances?

The iceberg wasn't trying to avoid collisions and was hiding (90% under water), and got rammed.  It seems that American warships go about with their transponders off, and get rammed.

 

However, the last incident, at least, was in busy waters, and so 'open waters' might be very wrong as a description of the location.  Perhaps the English Channel might be a better comparison - where collision is a very real risk.

5 hours ago, smotherb said:

How come the buck stops at the 7th Fleet Commander, Trump is the Commander-in-Chief and all four have happened since his inauguration.

My thoughts exactly , clearly the buck stops anywhere else or with the 'fake' news.

46 minutes ago, Richard W said:

The iceberg wasn't trying to avoid collisions and was hiding (90% under water), and got rammed.  It seems that American warships go about with their transponders off, and get rammed.

 

However, the last incident, at least, was in busy waters, and so 'open waters' might be very wrong as a description of the location.  Perhaps the English Channel might be a better comparison - where collision is a very real risk.

 Well if it happened in busy waters - and you are right here, there's a definite difference here. Busy waters is anywhere near a major city and major port or a well known merchant sea routes - these are usually really well marked on the charts - everybody knows where they are and everybody plans ahead. I had to sail through a few Merchant ship routes - you usually have visually when you get close 5 to dozen tankers or cargo ships going in both directions - it's the route they always use. So if you set course through one of these routes, turn off the lights, and go to sleep - then you will definitely hit something, it's highly likely. But generally for a captain nothing is ever an excuse - that's why they get all the training, and should have plenty of experience dealing with all of these potential hazards at sea. What I'm talking about here is elementary level of knowledge of international sailing - Captain and all of the crew are supposed to know all of this by heart. So if they did get hit in busy waters - that just shows that the Captain and the crew are acting worse than amateurs and should never be allowed to sail again imo.