Russia: 'we'll kill all of you' threat to UK and NATO

I think they should be more concerned that a small nation like the Ukraine has done so much damage against their armies. If Nato gets involved and they strike against Nato, which also means the US, it would be a disaster for a lot of Russian people.

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I think they should be more concerned that a small nation like the Ukraine has done so much damage against their armies.

This would not have been possible without massive amounts of outside help from other nations.

Seems like trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. One person's extreme opinion. That's all this is.

I agree with dinsdale!

I looked elsewhere to verify the claims made in this news article, and it seems Solovyov did indeed made multiple aggressive statements on Russian state TV.

Independent reports confirm he threatened NATO leaders, including a six-word death threat to NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, and claimed Russia could strike “any part of Europe” without U.S. retaliation .

So, while these threats are real and documented, the source of the article (Daily Express) tends to frame them in hyperbolic language (“terrifying,” “chilling,” “WW3 threat”).

The rhetoric is undeniably hostile, but the Express’s style amplifies the drama beyond the factual statements.

ASEAN Now should be careful not to amplify tabloid-style exaggeration without context!

14 minutes ago, Jim Waldron said:

I agree with dinsdale!

I looked elsewhere to verify the claims made in this news article, and it seems Solovyov did indeed made multiple aggressive statements on Russian state TV.

Independent reports confirm he threatened NATO leaders, including a six-word death threat to NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, and claimed Russia could strike “any part of Europe” without U.S. retaliation .

So, while these threats are real and documented, the source of the article (Daily Express) tends to frame them in hyperbolic language (“terrifying,” “chilling,” “WW3 threat”).

The rhetoric is undeniably hostile, but the Express’s style amplifies the drama beyond the factual statements.

ASEAN Now should be careful not to amplify tabloid-style exaggeration without context!

Well said. I have made this important point several times, to no avail. It is highly misleading and serves a political agenda.

2 hours ago, blaze master said:

This would not have been possible without massive amounts of outside help from other nations.

Nor would it have been possible had Putin taken the gloves off. He doesn't want to crush Ukraine. That was never the intent.

I wonder if the "broadcaster" in the OP is their equivalent of Alex Jones?

3 hours ago, ASEAN NOW News said:

In a chilling warning, Russia has escalated its rhetoric against NATO, including the UK, amid the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. Vladimir Solovyov, a Russian TV host and ally of Vladimir Putin, issued an alarming message about the repercussions if NATO troops enter Ukraine to support the nation under Russian assault.

I'd say common sense rather than a chilling threat.

Enemy countries massing troops on your border is normally a precursor to war.

Imagine Cuba putting troops at the Mexico/USA border ......

Or Germany putting troops on the French/UK border ........

If UK and France go in as peacekeepers under their own flags and not as a NATO force, it shouldn't be a big deal. Otherwise, where would they come from? Uganda? Paraguay?

3 hours ago, ASEAN NOW News said:

Vladimir Solovyov, a Russian TV host

That is as silly as saying that these US talking heads are spokespersons for the Trump Administration and the US State Department's US foreign policy statements.
The official spokepersons are Karoline Leavitt for the WH and Tommy Pigott for the State Department.

These talking heads express the opinions of their employers - not the Trump WH or the US State Department.
David Muir — Anchor of ABC World News Tonight on ABC.

Tom Llamas — Anchor of NBC Nightly News on NBC.

Tony Dokoupil — Anchor of CBS Evening News on CBS.

Anderson Cooper — Principal anchor for CNN, hosting Anderson Cooper 360°.

Rachel Maddow — Lead anchor for MSNBC, hosting The Rachel Maddow Show

Likewise, Dmitry Peskov is Russian President Putin's spokeperson and Maria Zakharova, who holds the position of Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Vladimir Solovyov is a Russia TV celebrity and expresses the opinions of his media employers, not the Kremlin or the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

However- Russia policy on European or NATO troops in the Special Military Operation zones in Ukraine is that they are co-belligerents and military targets if they show up.
Which would more than likely be the same WH and State Department policy if Russian and Chinese military troops show up in Cuba.

2 hours ago, Jim Waldron said:

ASEAN Now should be careful not to amplify tabloid-style exaggeration without context!

Asean Now is a forum where Forum members speak their opinion. Those opinions can range from "I support Russia," to "I support Ukraine," to "I support American," to "I support Trump." Granted, the EU and UK now believe in the broad censorship of political opinion by forcing platform owners to actively censor, but from what I can tell, as long as forum members are within the guard-rails of Forum Rules, their opinions are are considered valid.

Regarding "context." I'm sure for any and every opinion shared here on AseanNow, there will be another forum member who will be more than happy to share there own "context." That's how free and open airing of opinions in the Public Square should occur. "Point" / "Counter-Point"

24 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

If UK and France go in as peacekeepers under their own flags and not as a NATO force, it shouldn't be a big deal. Otherwise, where would they come from? Uganda? Paraguay?

North Korea, Iran and China!

4 hours ago, ASEAN NOW News said:

Russian attacks using ballistic missiles targeted Ukraine's energy sector, affecting thousands and exacerbating winter hardships.

Just to provide context:

Do you know what the US did in Iraq before invading bases on a lie of "weapons of mass destruction?"

The use took out Iraqi infrastructure including the energy infrastructure.

Is it "moral" if the US engages in that tactic but "immoral" if Russia engages in that tactic? Some here would say a hypocritical "Yes - moral for the US, immoral from Russia."
But? It's war.

The UK and France should only make one reply, mutually assured destruction, we have nuclear arsenals too, on your bike.

9 minutes ago, connda said:

That's how free and open airing of opinions in the Public Square should occur. "Point" / "Counter-Point"

Alas it isn't always the case when articles sure seem to be skewed toward one point rather than the other. I guess this is the result of relying on the "trustworthy" MSM. It most definitely wasn't the case with Covid-19 where saying the virus came out of a lab where gain of function experiments were taking place would see the post removed and a ban threatened for spreading misinformation.

"And we could kill all of you. Do the math."

The source is 'The Daily Express' which has long since lost the license to call itself a newspaper.

As usual, the headline bears no relationship to the actual story.

4 hours ago, blaze master said:

This would not have been possible without massive amounts of outside help from other nations.

And yet it’s what happened.

Responsible media does not make or transmit threats as were made by the Russian entity.

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I think they should be more concerned that a small nation like the Ukraine has done so much damage against their armies. If Nato gets involved and they strike against Nato, which also means the US, it would be a disaster for a lot of Russian people.

What makes you believe that the US would respond ? It has become obvious that Trump does not support NATO and would not honor its treaty obligations. The Russians know it too. As long as Trump is President, and Vance is waiting in the wings, US participation in NATO is uncertain.

2 hours ago, impulse said:

Nor would it have been possible had Putin taken the gloves off. He doesn't want to crush Ukraine. That was never the intent.

I wonder if the "broadcaster" in the OP is their equivalent of Alex Jones?

What would you call Putin's directed bombing of residential areas and hospitals that have no military value and that do not host hostile activity? Russian is intentionally hitting the Ukraine power grid during the winter in an attempt to crush the Ukraine.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I'd say common sense rather than a chilling threat.

Enemy countries massing troops on your border is normally a precursor to war.

Imagine Cuba putting troops at the Mexico/USA border ......

Or Germany putting troops on the French/UK border ........

There was no massing of troops on Russia's borders. It was Russia that sent its military to the borders of Sweden and Finland first. It was Russia that built up its military at the border with Poland, ad the Baltic nations and threatened to invade the Baltic nations.

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

What would you call Putin's directed bombing of residential areas and hospitals that have no military value and that do not host hostile activity? Russian is intentionally hitting the Ukraine power grid during the winter in an attempt to crush the Ukraine.

I don't follow on a daily basis, but what I have noticed is that those attacks seem to (usually) be in response to Ukrainian attacks on civilian and infrastructure targets deep in Russia. That's regrettable, but I don't expect the Russkies to sit back and let that happen unanswered. They could flatten Kiev or Odessa with the push of a few buttons, yet they don't.

8 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Responsible media does not make or transmit threats as were made by the Russian entity.

What makes you believe that the US would respond ? It has become obvious that Trump does not support NATO and would not honor its treaty obligations. The Russians know it too. As long as Trump is President, and Vance is waiting in the wings, US participation in NATO is uncertain.

What would you call Putin's directed bombing of residential areas and hospitals that have no military value and that do not host hostile activity? Russian is intentionally hitting the Ukraine power grid during the winter in an attempt to crush the Ukraine.

There was no massing of troops on Russia's borders. It was Russia that sent its military to the borders of Sweden and Finland first. It was Russia that built up its military at the border with Poland, ad the Baltic nations and threatened to invade the Baltic nations.

What Trump says and what actually happens don't mean the same thing. The US needs Nato and vice-versa, and especially the rich understand this. History has shown the US always gets involved, just like they did here in Thailand. It fuels his ego when he "ends wars".When a leader orders war crimes, as in bombing civilian areas. it tends to piss off everyone, and they usually respond in kind. The Ukraine can also do what Russia does.

3 hours ago, impulse said:

Nor would it have been possible had Putin taken the gloves off. He doesn't want to crush Ukraine. That was never the intent.

He tried hard to crush Ukraine., but failed.

54 minutes ago, impulse said:

what I have noticed is that those attacks seem to (usually) be in response to Ukrainian attacks on civilian and infrastructure targets deep in Russia.

Incorrect, Ukraine doesn't attack civilian targets. Russia does, time and time again.

5 hours ago, blaze master said:

This would not have been possible without massive amounts of outside help from other nations.

Most of this 'help' was selling weapons to Ukraine, usually on time, which means the purchase beggars the next three generations of Ukrainians. The Western countries were talking the talk but not walking the walk. They were clutching their pearls in fear of (ooooh) Russia. The weapons supplied were not powerful enough to really affect the Bear. Many of the weapons were Ukraine-developed and Ukraine-built. In fact, the rest of the world has learned much from their drone achievements.

1 hour ago, connda said:

Is it "moral" if the US engages in that tactic but "immoral" if Russia engages in that tactic? Some here would say a hypocritical "Yes - moral for the US, immoral from Russia."

Both are immoral.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

I don't follow on a daily basis, but what I have noticed is that those attacks seem to (usually) be in response to Ukrainian attacks on civilian and infrastructure targets deep in Russia. That's regrettable, but I don't expect the Russkies to sit back and let that happen unanswered. They could flatten Kiev or Odessa with the push of a few buttons, yet they don't.

"but what I have noticed is that those attacks seem to (usually) be in response to Ukrainian attacks on civilian and infrastructure targets deep in Russia."

Suuure! 😆

LOL, The Russians cant even beat Ukraine! They needed N Korean soldiers to have real ones that arn’t drunks! Russia is a paper tiger!

LOL, NATO and their latest proxy Ukraine have been trying to defeat the paper tiger since..... the end of WWII

4 hours ago, connda said:

Just to provide context:

Do you know what the US did in Iraq before invading bases on a lie of "weapons of mass destruction?"

The use took out Iraqi infrastructure including the energy infrastructure.

Is it "moral" if the US engages in that tactic but "immoral" if Russia engages in that tactic? Some here would say a hypocritical "Yes - moral for the US, immoral from Russia."
But? It's war.

The only difference between Iraq and Ukraine is that the US was able to project that kind of power across the globe 'successfully' (i.e. win the military operation). The Russians got bogged down on their own border.

Russia's actually a very weak country which is why Ukrainians could fend them off with a little help from their friends in such a heroic fashion. Russian GDP is less than Italy's, and that's what decides wars in the age of industrialized warfare. Ukraine's fighting forces have been boosted to levels more representative of a country with a far greater GDP than it had and has.

Nonetheless, the excuses, the accusations, the tactics and the destruction of entire regions coupled with the inevitable deaths and immiseration of tens of thousands of innocents were and are exactly the same, resulting in humungous Crimes Against Humanity.

The perpetrators still walk free. Some have even 'taken up painting'. Others got rich and hobnob it with torturers even today. Not only Mandelson.

6 minutes ago, BusyB said:

The only difference between Iraq and Ukraine is that the US was able to project that kind of power across the globe 'successfully' (i.e. win the military operation). The Russians got bogged down on their own border.

Russia's actually a very weak country which is why Ukrainians could fend them off with a little help from their friends in such a heroic fashion. Russian GDP is less than Italy's, and that's what decides wars in the age of industrialized warfare. Ukraine's fighting forces have been boosted to levels more representative of a country with a far greater GDP than it had and has.

Nonetheless, the excuses, the accusations, the tactics and the destruction of entire regions coupled with the inevitable deaths and immiseration of tens of thousands of innocents were and are exactly the same, resulting in humungous Crimes Against Humanity.

The perpetrators still walk free. Some have even 'taken up painting'. Others got rich and hobnob it with torturers even today. Not only Mandelson.

With extended bases and support in Europe, Us was able to take out Iraq!

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

He tried hard to crush Ukraine., but failed.

He made it quite plain from the getgo. 3 days to Kyiv and it was supposed to be over. (How often have we heard 'troops home by Christmas, since von Schlieffen?)

The Ukrainian resistance to that initial onslaught will go down in military legend (I hope).

The battle was a stunning example of bravery and guts and smarts and completely defeated what was meant to be the defeat and gobbling up of yet another of Putin's neighbors. Read that story of guts and sacrifice, and never let those guys be forgotten. Anywhere in the world. (Speaking as a former Pongo who's been under minimal fire by comparison.)

Anyone who can't see what Russia is up to in general is either blind or willfully ignorant.