US Strikes Iranian Tankers After Carrier Missile Attack

9 hours ago, johng said:

pretty much all of them ,and all of them.

This is where reading, research, and the news will help you.

3 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

Remember, he's neutral. Keeps reminding the world he finds some things about the current US government are good, some things are bad. He would have found positives in Chairman Mao

Another one needing a lesson in comprehension, history and common sense. Live there awhile and you might understand more than some biased videos.

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Another one needing a lesson in comprehension, history and common sense. Live there awhile and you might understand more than some biased videos.

I have lived there "a while". And many other places for a "while".

Still , you've lived there "60 years", but that doesn't stop you spouting off utter balderdash about other countries you know sweet FA about, except on the loony tune YTs you watch every night.

Still, since you are wittering on about "comprehension", you do know I was referring to you, and not your country?

8 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

I have lived there "a while". And many other places for a "while".

Still , you've lived there "60 years", but that doesn't stop you spouting off utter balderdash about other countries you know sweet FA about, except on the loony tune YTs you watch every night.

Still, since you are wittering on about "comprehension", you do know I was referring to you, and not your country?

How would you know what I know about other countries? There is news, books, teachers and history about all other countries anyone can research and hear about. Try not to assume, as it puts you in a particular company here that isn't a good place. Yes, I comprehend very well, but it seems you miss things, or let them go over your head, likely from that lack of comprehension or prejudice. Awhile doesn't make you educated about anyplace. Interacting and reading, research, does.

Edited Monday at 10:41 PM4 days by fredwiggy

I've long suspected that this never had anything to do with nuclear weapons, but rather about Iran's support of BRICS, and their efforts towards de-dollarization of oil trading. That would be far better explanation for the US bending down and kissing Israel's butt.

The nuclear argument kind of falls apart if you believe the claims last year that the facilities were destroyed.

Better people are needed at the Iran and Ukraine tables, the 'peace team' knuckleheads of Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner ain't working..........

25 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

Better people are needed at the Iran and Ukraine tables, the 'peace team' knuckleheads of Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner ain't working..........

Do you believe that the leaders of Iran and Russia act rationally?

9 hours ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

Read my post again.

You missed everything the first time.

Typical head in the sand stuff. Only want to hear what you like. This is the attitude I was referring to. USA doesn’t have the muscle it thinks it has so it keeps getting into skirmishes and gets a bloody nose every time. But it doesn’t learn from its mistakes. Step by step it’s sinking. Sad but true. It’s a great country but is led by people who care less about it and more about filling their own pockets.

2 hours ago, Mr Awesome said:

Do you believe that the leaders of Iran and Russia act rationally?

Iran and Russia don't give a damn about 10-20 year skirmishes, get some brains at the peace tables ........

18 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Typical head in the sand stuff. Only want to hear what you like. This is the attitude I was referring to. USA doesn’t have the muscle it thinks it has so it keeps getting into skirmishes and gets a bloody nose every time. But it doesn’t learn from its mistakes. Step by step it’s sinking. Sad but true. It’s a great country but is led by people who care less about it and more about filling their own pockets.

Nothing to with head in the sand. But since you mentioned it yours definitely is. You obviously haven’t been watching the news.

0 American ships sunk. Most of Iran’s are now artificial reefs.

American and Israeli pilots have free rein Iran airspace. No Iranian fighter pilot threat because they have no operational fighter La left.

Our one down pilot was rescued in record time under Trump/Hegseth/Adm Cooper LEADERSHIP.

Economic sanctions strangling Iran .

This is what happened to an American boat crew under Obama’s LEADERSHIP in the gulf.

But keep watching CNN, they’ll tell you Iran is winning.

19 minutes ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

Nothing to with head in the sand. But since you mentioned it yours definitely is. You obviously haven’t been watching the news.

0 American ships sunk. Most of Iran’s are now artificial reefs.

American and Israeli pilots have free rein Iran airspace. No Iranian fighter pilot threat because they have no operational fighter La left.

Our one down pilot was rescued in record time under Trump/Hegseth/Adm Cooper LEADERSHIP.

Economic sanctions strangling Iran .

This is what happened to an American boat crew under Obama’s LEADERSHIP in the gulf.

But keep watching CNN, they’ll tell you Iran is winning.

lol. You’re either trolling or live in a fantasy world. Keep dreaming good stuff and hope for the best. Go in peace now!

25 minutes ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

Nothing to with head in the sand. But since you mentioned it yours definitely is. You obviously haven’t been watching the news.

0 American ships sunk. Most of Iran’s are now artificial reefs.

American and Israeli pilots have free rein Iran airspace. No Iranian fighter pilot threat because they have no operational fighter La left.

Our one down pilot was rescued in record time under Trump/Hegseth/Adm Cooper LEADERSHIP.

Economic sanctions strangling Iran .

This is what happened to an American boat crew under Obama’s LEADERSHIP in the gulf.

But keep watching CNN, they’ll tell you Iran is winning.

Navy destroyed, Air Force not operational, nuclear obliterated and sanctions since November 1974. Why US still fighting the war with Iran. Should be done and dusted a long time ago. Are you having too much Kool-Aid and blind allegiance to the demented one.

1 hour ago, AustinRacing said:

lol. You’re either trolling or live in a fantasy world. Keep dreaming good stuff and hope for the best. Go in peace now!

You’ve lost face. So now you refer to trolling as your way out.

I posted real facts. Facts isn’t trolling.

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Navy destroyed, Air Force not operational, nuclear obliterated and sanctions since November 1974. Why US still fighting the war with Iran. Should be done and dusted a long time ago. Are you having too much Kool-Aid and blind allegiance to the demented one.

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Navy destroyed, Air Force not operational, nuclear obliterated and sanctions since November 1974. Why US still fighting the war with Iran. Should be done and dusted a long time ago. Are you having too much Kool-Aid and blind allegiance to the demented one.

You got part of it right. Navy and Air Force.

Nuclear almost. You date is way off . Pallets of cash by Obama/Biden didn’t help.

Keep trying.

2 hours ago, AustinRacing said:

Typical head in the sand stuff. Only want to hear what you like. This is the attitude I was referring to. USA doesn’t have the muscle it thinks it has so it keeps getting into skirmishes and gets a bloody nose every time. But it doesn’t learn from its mistakes. Step by step it’s sinking. Sad but true. It’s a great country but is led by people who care less about it and more about filling their own pockets.

Actually the US has a lot more muscle than you think it has. Look what it did to iran's navy and Air Force in two days. Are we watching a video game or is it actually happening daily? That's the epitome of head in the sand. Forgetting the capability of American military over the years, not understanding it's technology is a lot stronger than in the past, and not knowing what they have they haven't yet used. Yes, it's a lot about money, in my country and all others.

20 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Look up what Iran has done as far as terrorism through the years, and directly at the US and other countries. You have no idea how these people think, and it's never been in the best interests of their own people but themselves and their agendas. Okay, this is what happened.

Historical Background

• 1979 Revolution: Iran overthrew the U.S.-backed Shah and established an Islamic Republic, ending decades of close ties with Washington and Jerusalem.

• Hostage Crisis: The 444-day U.S. hostage crisis in Tehran caused a permanent break in formal diplomatic relations.

• Policy Shift: Washington and its allies shifted from containment to active economic and political isolation over the following decades.

Methods Used Over the Decades

• Economic Sanctions: The U.S. and allies placed strict embargoes on Iranian oil, banking, and trade to weaken the state economy.

• Cyber Warfare: The joint U.S.-Israeli operation known as Stuxnet sabotaged Iran's nuclear enrichment centrifuges around 2010.

• Covert Operations: Intelligence agencies have supported dissident groups, monitored military sites, and disrupted covert nuclear and missile supply chains.

• Regional Pressure: Both nations work to counter Iran's backing of regional militias in Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, and Syria.

There's a rather enormous hole in this version of Iranian history: 1953.

You can't seriously explain the U.S.-Iran relationship by starting the story in 1979. In 1953, the CIA, working with Britain, helped overthrow Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh after he nationalized Iran's oil industry and replace his government with one led by General Zahedi and backed by the Shah. This isn't a conspiracy theory. Declassified U.S. government documents explicitly describe the operation, and Eisenhower himself later recorded that the U.S. had helped restore the Shah and remove Mossadegh.

That matters because the Shah then ruled Iran for another 26 years with strong American support.

So when the 1979 revolution happened, it didn't occur in some historical vacuum where peaceful Iran suddenly woke up one morning and decided it hated America. There were decades of American involvement in Iranian politics, including the overthrow of a government that had been in power through Iran's constitutional political system.

None of that excuses the hostage crisis, Iranian terrorism, support for militant groups, repression, or the other actions of the Islamic Republic. Iran has plenty to answer for.

But if you're going to discuss why the United States and Iran became bitter enemies, you can't simply erase the event that helped create the foundation for that hostility.

The chronology matters.

1953 → Shah's authoritarian rule → 1979 revolution → hostage crisis → decades of sanctions, covert operations and confrontation.

Leave 1953 out and you can make it look as though the United States spent decades responding to Iranian aggression that appeared out of nowhere.

Put 1953 back in, and the history becomes considerably more complicated. That's not defending Iran. It's acknowledging history.

19 minutes ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

You got part of it right. Navy and Air Force.

Nuclear almost. You date is way off . Pallets of cash by Obama/Biden didn’t help.

Keep trying.

So Trump and Hegseth are lying to claim that nuclear has been obliterated. Sanctions by America started in 1973 and Iran has yet to buckle. The additional sanctions have yet to show any effects. Iran is still defying with attacks. Obama settled the $1.7 B international arbitration claim by Iran. Contrast with $7.5 B of oil sales that Iran earned in foreign currency from March to August this year because of the ineffectiveness of Trump's maritime blockage. That figure represent 80% of Iran 26/27 budget which start in March 21st '26 to March 21st '27.

52 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Actually the US has a lot more muscle than you think it has. Look what it did to iran's navy and Air Force in two days. Are we watching a video game or is it actually happening daily? That's the epitome of head in the sand. Forgetting the capability of American military over the years, not understanding it's technology is a lot stronger than in the past, and not knowing what they have they haven't yet used. Yes, it's a lot about money, in my country and all others.

Clearly, the U.S. has vastly superior military technology and the ability to destroy Iran's conventional forces. That works well in 'round 1'.

I'd put forth the position that having superior weapons isn't the same as having an endless supply of the 'right' weapons. The U.S. has extremely capable defensive systems, but interceptors are expensive and limited, while Iran can potentially launch large numbers of relatively cheap missiles and drones.

And then there's the unknown factor: Iran's underground missile and weapons infrastructure. Much of it is buried deep underground, and we simply don't know how much remains intact or how much the U.S. can actually reach. Destroying visible launchers and aircraft is one thing. Finding and neutralizing a vast underground weapons network is another.

So yes, America has plenty of muscle. I'd question whether it has an unlimited supply of the particular ammunition needed for a prolonged war, while Iran may still have a substantial, largely unseen arsenal.

And if Iran is getting meaningful resupply or components from China or Russia, that adds another layer to the problem.

In a war of attrition, America eventually loses. And in many ways, the attrition has already begun. By attrition, I mean the gradual depletion of America's weapons, interceptors, money, industrial capacity and political will. In that kind of war, superior technology doesn't guarantee victory. Eventually, the side that can sustain the fight longer wins.

14 minutes ago, Galong said:

Clearly, the U.S. has vastly superior military technology and the ability to destroy Iran's conventional forces. That works well in 'round 1'.

I'd put forth the position that having superior weapons isn't the same as having an endless supply of the 'right' weapons. The U.S. has extremely capable defensive systems, but interceptors are expensive and limited, while Iran can potentially launch large numbers of relatively cheap missiles and drones.

And then there's the unknown factor: Iran's underground missile and weapons infrastructure. Much of it is buried deep underground, and we simply don't know how much remains intact or how much the U.S. can actually reach. Destroying visible launchers and aircraft is one thing. Finding and neutralizing a vast underground weapons network is another.

So yes, America has plenty of muscle. I'd question whether it has an unlimited supply of the particular ammunition needed for a prolonged war, while Iran may still have a substantial, largely unseen arsenal.

And if Iran is getting meaningful resupply or components from China or Russia, that adds another layer to the problem.

In a war of attrition, America eventually loses. And in many ways, the attrition has already begun. By attrition, I mean the gradual depletion of America's weapons, interceptors, money, industrial capacity and political will. In that kind of war, superior technology doesn't guarantee victory. Eventually, the side that can sustain the fight longer wins.

The US still has bombers they haven't used. If troops went on the ground, many would die, especially on Iran's side, along with civilians, so this is something that Iran needs to consider, if at all possible with their already crazed thinking. Thinking of their people and world trade by negotiating. Not many know the capabilities the US has, and if Iran has what some say they do. The fact this is costing money on all sides should also have all sides thinking it's time to get things done. We also don't know to what extent Trump will go, and his ego isn't near the same as previous presidents.

16 minutes ago, Galong said:

Clearly, the U.S. has vastly superior military technology and the ability to destroy Iran's conventional forces. That works well in 'round 1'.

I'd put forth the position that having superior weapons isn't the same as having an endless supply of the 'right' weapons. The U.S. has extremely capable defensive systems, but interceptors are expensive and limited, while Iran can potentially launch large numbers of relatively cheap missiles and drones.

And then there's the unknown factor: Iran's underground missile and weapons infrastructure. Much of it is buried deep underground, and we simply don't know how much remains intact or how much the U.S. can actually reach. Destroying visible launchers and aircraft is one thing. Finding and neutralizing a vast underground weapons network is another.

So yes, America has plenty of muscle. I'd question whether it has an unlimited supply of the particular ammunition needed for a prolonged war, while Iran may still have a substantial, largely unseen arsenal.

And if Iran is getting meaningful resupply or components from China or Russia, that adds another layer to the problem.

In a war of attrition, America eventually loses. And in many ways, the attrition has already begun. By attrition, I mean the gradual depletion of America's weapons, interceptors, money, industrial capacity and political will. In that kind of war, superior technology doesn't guarantee victory. Eventually, the side that can sustain the fight longer wins.

Agree with you. In addition, war weighed heavily on society cohesion, political system, leadership, allies and soft power. None of the above US have to sustain any form of victory against Iran.

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Agree with you. In addition, war weighed heavily on society cohesion, political system, leadership, allies and soft power. None of the above US have to sustain any form of victory against Iran.

Society cohesion? You mean a government that kills anyone who talks back? Political system of known terrorists. US allies? Israel, Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE and others who can be there. Iran has China and Russia with some intel and oil purchases, along with other known terror groups. Again, the US could destroy Iran but that's not what their agenda is now.

On 9/6/2026 at 10:21 PM, cjinchiangrai said:

Yes it will. Russia is arming them.

But but but I thought putin was best buddies with dear Donald after all so says Donald…….perhaps old donald needs to try harder to throw Ukraine under the bus to appease his pal ehh??some president ehh??

10 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

So Trump and Hegseth are lying to claim that nuclear has been obliterated. Sanctions by America started in 1973 and Iran has yet to buckle. The additional sanctions have yet to show any effects. Iran is still defying with attacks. Obama settled the $1.7 B international arbitration claim by Iran. Contrast with $7.5 B of oil sales that Iran earned in foreign currency from March to August this year because of the ineffectiveness of Trump's maritime blockage. That figure represent 80% of Iran 26/27 budget which start in March 21st '26 to March 21st '27.

You left out Carter’s blunder in 79.

Was that intentional?

39 minutes ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

You left out Carter’s blunder in 79.

Was that intentional?

Carters blunder or Reagan's fraud?

4 hours ago, Tug said:

But but but I thought putin was best buddies with dear Donald after all so says Donald

Donald also claims that Xi and the mad man in N Korea are friends, but his mental condition doesn't allow him to know they are laughing with him and the US

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But but but we won on the first day.

Then we won again.

Then we won again.

Then we won a MEMO OF UNDER -STANDING.

Woooo weee.

So much winning!

This can't be true. ❌

Why would we attack a country that we already won? 😄

9 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Carters blunder or Reagan's fraud?

You asked a question with 2 choices. I’ll answer.

Carters blunder which resulted in the Iranian regime taking over the US Embassy.

It lasted until Reagan was sworn into office.

I thought Iran navy has been destroyed and yet they have capture an unmanned US military drone submarine. This high-tech submarine is US most modern and smart underwater asset equipped with cutting edge subsurface technology for reconnaissance, seabed mapping and mine detection.. The submarine was just delivered to th US Navy last year. This is so embarrassing for US losing such a guarded high technology asset. Iran will have a field day reversed engineer Washington's underwater secrets and will share with Russia and China. More losing under Trump.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-says-it-captured-us-submarine-drone-strait-hormuz-2026-09-08/