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10 minutes ago, brianinbangkok said:

Leaving the Netherlands does not mean he is no longer a Dutch.
Why do think that leaving would cause him to no longer be a Dutch citizen ?
 

I think you might be right about that. Reading it again I can see that it probably applies to anyone who revoked their Dutch nationality for one of another country, but now wants to regain it.

9 minutes ago, Gulfsailor said:

 You talk about reapplying for citizenship, yet your link is about getting the Dutch nationality back. You do know the difference right?

this Dutch guy should just fly to Schiphol (borrow money from embassy) and there say hello, I'm back. They will help him find a place for the night and call around where to place him. Then it's getting an address (friends or family is fine, or if impossible a so called letter-address), with which he signs up again at the municipality. They will then reactivate his tax/service number. Then it's off to the welfare department and employment center. 

 

Dutch Embassy won't lend him any money. Forget about that idea for a start.

He says he doesn't have any relatives in the country according to the OP.

Letter addresses can be blocked by the resident already living there and often are otherwise anyone registering themselves at that address will be billed for additional local taxes. It also affects how much rent subsidy a resident receives. Having just two people registered at the same address cuts the amount by 50%.

He will have declared his assets (the 10 million baht which is 250,000 euros) before he left the country so that will be registered in the tax authority database. Welfare has access to that. Assets are considered as income for tax purposes and welfare calculates 1,450 euros for each month as living allowance which is 17,400 euros per annum. So 250,000 / 17,400 = 14.367 years. If he's only been out of the country for say 10 years, he won't get anything from welfare because they will calculate that he still has assets worth 69,600 euros even though he's flat broke.

Sad to say, but if he's been out of the country for a while, he'll have a problem getting a job especially considering his age. Employers prefer young people and even 30 year olds have a problem finding another job these days.

I still think monkhood is his best option. He doesn't want to leave Thailand by the sound of it anyway, but he needs to address the issue of becoming an overstayer if he lacks an income now. If immigration picks him up they'll want to deport him at his own expense. Since he doesn't have any cash, he'll end up in a detention centre until he can find someone to pay the cost of his flight home. But he'll also be charged about 800 baht a day while he's there.

You can take the Airport Rail Link from BKK to Makkasan and then a tuk-tuk or taxi from there. It looks relatively close on the map at least.

You can take the Airport Rail Link from BKK to Makkasan and then a tuk-tuk or taxi from there. It looks relatively close on the map at least.

2 hours ago, brianinbangkok said:

Pretty much depends on his education. If he has degree in something technical he can find a job in Netherlands. Without this it will be hard indeed. The house registration story to get a job is not true.Most of the EU immigrants are not registered in NL. Truck driver requires a lot of papers in NL its not just start driving like in TH.

Look my friend, I'm a Dutch citizen and you are obviously not. Nobody can get a job in the Netherlands unless they have a tax number (BSN). You can only get a tax number if you're registered in the municipality in which you want to live. So please, cut the BS because giving people bad advice doesn't help them at all.

58 minutes ago, Jdietz said:

1. Contact Dutch Embassy in Soi Ton Son

Adres	15 Soi Ton Son Lumphini, Pathumwan Bangkok 10330 Thailand
Telefoon	+66 2 309 52 00 24 uur per dag, 7 dagen per week bereikbaar

 

If he refuses to go, it's his problem. He won't get a job with that attitude, but social services will be available, and nobody in NL will have to live without a place to stay, food to eat and a little pocket money of around THB 40.000 a month.

 

Another ignoramus. If he's been out of the country for more than six months he first of all has to reapply to become a Dutch citizen again. It's not automatic and a number of conditions have to be fulfilled before Dutch citizenship is granted again.

This link is in Dutch but since you profess to know so much about the subject you shouldn't have any problem understanding it.

1 hour ago, brianinbangkok said:

He does not have to be registed to get a job in NL.
I know for sure as I have done this in NL myself a couple of years ago.
And so have thousands of others from all over the EU.
Finding a job in NL will be a lot easier for him then finding one in TH.
Finding a house is indeed a problem for lower income workers.

Absolute codswallop. To get a job you have to be registered with the tax authority called the Belastingdienst. They will allocate a tax registration number (BSN) to you. To get one of those you have to be resident in the municipality. You're not considered to be resident if you reside in a hotel or a hostel.

If you're going to work illegally which is what you're saying, that's a different matter. But because it's illegal, you can be arrested and imprisoned since it constitutes tax evasion for which the penalty is two years imprisonment and/or a hefty Fine.

41 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Absolute nonsense. It takes much more than one dose.

By the way, heroin addicts get a bad "flu" for s few days when they go cold turkey. People addicted to alcohol can DIE.

 

No it doesn't take more than one dose. The initial high experienced by first time users is more than enough to addict them to the drug immediately after which dependence is set in stone. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/drug-addiction-overdoses-and-a-very-brief-history-of-heroin-9332222.html

Addicts also frequently die early because like most junkies they're also addicted to other medications. Drug interactions can and often do prove fatal. 

People addicted to alcohol can outlive a heroin junkie any day. Paul Gascoine is a typical example of that. He may yet die young, but at this moment in time he's very much alive even though his drinking started in earnest almost 20 years ago.

You're talking out the back of your head if you think it's any other way.

18 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Never flown with Eva. I am considering 2 flights with them, one very long flight 12+ hours. It would be nice to be looking/being served by someone who was attractive and attentive. Yes I have a penchant for flight attendants.

 

I only flew with them once from AMS to BKK-AMS and was pissed off both times because the window I had was very dirty which spoiled the view outside. I took a video of the landing in Amsterdam and you can see the state of the window in that. 

Also it was absolutely freezing cold the whole flight which was about 11½ hours. I complained to the FAs about it as did other passengers but nobody did anything about it. So make sure you take some warm clothing in your hand luggage just in case the same thing happens again.

On 7/30/2016 at 8:56 AM, NCC1701A said:

There is a direct correlation between prostitution and sexual abuse.

I has been well established.

Just ask any hooker how she feels about her father.

I don't agree with you at all. Girls who become hookers haven't necessarily been raped by a member of their family.

What attracts them to the profession is a quick means of acquiring a considerable amount of money for very little effort. They notice that their peers have all the trappings of wealth i.e. new iphone every year, a new motorbike, lots of new clothes and they have plenty of money to send back to their families. Farangs treat them well and may even be persuaded to send them a montly allowance. All they have to do is open their legs.

Why would they want to slave away in a factory for 12,000 baht a month? Also, there's no stigma attached to the 'job' back in their villages and these girls are even admired for the work they do especially if they manage to snare a farang and bring him to the village. Rumours of Sinsot will soon spread and before you know it, the 20 year hooker is married to a 50+ year old farang and the family is set for life.

What he says is correct unfortunately. He does indeed need to be registered with the municipality where he proposes to live and in order to do that he has to be living somewhere other than in a hotel or hostel.

A room would do, but Amsterdam is a University city and rooms are usually let to students. Since squatting has now been made illegal, he doesn't have that option anymore either.

Although he qualifies for subsidised housing, the current waiting list is 17 years and he'd be starting at the bottom of the ladder.

Also, since he left the Netherlands more then six months ago he's effectively classed as an alien himself. This rule applies to every country incidentally, not just the Netherlands.

It's a similar story with the welfare system. He can live in Thailand and still receive a pension, but he won't qualify for that until he's 67 years old. Any other form of welfare is out of the question and only applies to those living in the Netherlands.

Unfortunately, since he once had assets of around €250,000 (10 million baht) it's highly unlikely that he would qualify for any form of welfare even if he were to return to the Netherlands. The Dutch don't take kindly to someone who was once reasonably well off signing on the dole and expecting to get paid.

I guess he now fits the bill of an overstayer since he isn't earning enough to qualify for a residence permit.

In the circumstances his best bet would be to consider becoming a monk and then stick it out until he qualifies for his pension.

See this thread on the forum:

57 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

So is alcohol. So are cigarettes.

The health problems you mention are mostly caused by adulterants and unsanitary methods of using it. It is relatively safe if the dose is regulated and when using sanitary equipment.

If one could buy it easiy and cheaply, thee would be no readon for addicts to go through withdrawals or resort to crime. Legalize it!

And who is going to dispense all this 'sanitary equipment' exactly? Will it be accessible 24/7? And by who?

As for alcohol, in small doses it's a relaxant and as long as it's not abused, there are unlikely to be any harmful effects.

Cigarettes on the other hand can be just as addictive as hard drugs and do cause all kinds of health problems. But it is possible to stop if you have the willpower.

What has to be recognised if you're contemplating trying heroin is that it's highly addictive. One shot and you're a junkie for life. There have been plenty of deaths of well-known people such as Peaches Geldof and Amy Whitehouse which have been attributed to the drug to support that fact.

Even if it were to be legalized and the chances of that happening are zero at the moment, you can bet your bottom dollar that the criminal world will find some way of mixing it with some other ingredient to form yet another highly addictive substance which outperforms even the 'legal' variety.

13 hours ago, geovalin said:

For me this story is just the follow up of this one:

Junta read 100 % of the news in English and are very reactive (I have proofs of that).

Unfortunately, Junta didn't tell that they wish to clean the island.

Could well be the case because it's not like Koh Lipe is a mainstream resort. It doesn't have an airport and it's about 1½ hours by taxi from either Hat Yai or Trang and then a ferry or speedboat to the island. Bit of a hike whichever way you look at it and not the kind of place where rumours would abound.

So the story about a Chinese disguised as a Thai with unusual wealth involved in trafficking seems a bit outlandish to me.

7 minutes ago, ddavidovsky said:

 

I agree, if it was my decision, I'd let them stay, because I'm sentimental. I'm still capable of being objective about it though, because economics isn't sentimental.

And I can't help thinking that  if this same group of people had their community outside of town, like all the thousands of little communities happily dotted around the country, no one would be much interested in them.

Look at the faces of the kids in the OP. You think they want to move to the 10th floor of some obnoxious concrete block in the middle of nowhere where they don't have room to play and have to adapt to living with people they don't know.

And what on earth has economics got to do with a park and why does it require the upheaval of a whole community which has thrived there for decades.

If a park is so essential, let them go develop it on waste ground. Plenty of that around in Bangkok.

Singapore Airlines if you don't mind flying via Singapore Changi.

SIA has a young fleet and service onboard is excellent. Also, if you join their frequent flyer reward program called Krisflyer, you can use the airmiles to obtain discounts on the overal cost of the flight.

My flight planned for next year cost me €530 euros which for a five star airline is pretty good.

The video was taken in June this year on SIA's brand new A350-900.

Why d'you ask? Have you got a penchant for flight attendants?

32 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Most of the damage caused by heroin is BECAUSE it is illegal. Some people shoot it because the illegal stuff is so adulterated with baby laxative and other cuts. If it was pure and cheap, there would be less need to shoot it at all and there would be a lot less overdoses as users would know the dosage that they were getting.

Don't be ridiculous. What are you saying now? That it should be given away for free? It's an addictive drug. It's not like going down the pub for a pint. It's highly addictive and users suffer from abcesses, collapsed veins and heart problems to name but a few of the physical effects.

Mental effects include depression, personality changes which can lead to aggressive behaviour and an increased risk of HIV/AIDS. Junkies who don't get their fix when they need it suffer severe cramp, nausea, craving and are likely to become violent when denied access to the drug.

It's ludicrous to even suggest classing that or any other dangerous substance as a recreational drug.

12 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

I think that most drugs should be legalized

Oh sure. Lets legalize heroin. No harm in junkies dumping their needles on the street after shooting up some of which will carry the AIDS virus is there now?

7 hours ago, ddavidovsky said:

I'm afraid they'll have to go eventually, and they know it. It's quaint to have a village in the centre of a big city, but villages are for the countryside - a city is constantly developing and the pressure to put land to the most profitable use is irresistible.  If they were paid enough they'd go happily enough. They are holding out for a better deal - good luck to them.

It's not a village in the true sense of the word but rather more a collection of buildings which has grown together to form a tight knit community. The BMA wants to tear it down to develop a park to attract tourism.

With tourism comes greed and the entrance fee for farangs will be a minimum 500 baht and very likely considerably more. 

The BMA should leave it be. Let poor communities live where they wish. They have very little already. Why take what little they have left away from them.

As for your thoughtless remark about them holding out for a better deal money cannot compensate for the community spirit they enjoy now. Forcing them to relocate in the interests of capitalism and greed is reprehensible.

On 10/1/2016 at 1:25 PM, Docno said:

  And here is a paper by a Thai-based architecture prof: http://cahr.kmutt.ac.th/file/editor/pdf/Papers/Community Design and Human Rights-illus.pdf  

I get a warning from my Internet security application that the site you've linked to is hosting malware.

55 minutes ago, bokningar said:

 

Found this

https://www.kongregate.com/forums/2468-general/topics/442102-tutorial-setting-up-line-chat-app-without-a-smartphone

I know about the PC version, but it's little inconvenient to drag one of those around with you.

By the way, your post might get deleted by the mod squad because you posted a link to another forum which is forbidden.

On 10/1/2016 at 3:39 AM, impulse said:

I knew it.   Sex leads to debt.   Been that way for thousands of years.

I'm not getting any of either.

20 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

Generally speaking, NO. However there are enough well-heeled young Thais with enough disposable income to be able to afford that rather quirky little Vespa that isn't the same as all the ones down at the 7-11 and not advertised on soap operas.

Most Thais that can afford to buy a motorbike / scooter will settle for the much cheaper, reliable Honda, Yamaha, Kawsaki etc.The Mini is an iconic design and the rich Thais seem to like them.

 

How many Vespas have you seen in Phuket today? I think most young Thais wouldn't be seen dead on one of those.

22 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Fact? The only fact here is that the OP made an unverified statement. The laziness (or is it refusal to admit you are wrong and bigoted) is simply repeating the same trope "Google it if you don't believe me".

 

 

And there we have it - all that anyone needs to know about the sort of person you are.

A "unverified statement" eh? Is that the best you can do?

Oh and I really don't give a toss about what you think of me.

13 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

You say "she".  the go fund account shows a man in the picture unless it is a circus and the bearded lady.  But the whole thing sounds scammy for many other reasons, including the incomplete story details.

Aha..I just looked up the name "Loren" and it appears that you're correct. The female version of the name is spelt differently as "Lauren".

I didn't see a photo the first time I looked though so just assumed it was a woman. Apologies.