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Speed kills. And she must have been motoring. Hope they spend that poor copper's life for something.

Speed doesn't kill , lack of attention signals and awareness kills.

Of course speed kills. If she was going the correct speed the guy prob would have survived.

That means you know the posted speed limit on that section of street/road. What was the correct speed she should have been going? No one else seems to know.

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So the police are going to investigate why the policeman at the scene let the woman go home with relatives before being questioned and presumaby breathalysed?

If that is cause for concern for them why didnt the go and collect her straight away instead of waiting more than 10 hours for her to stroll down herself?

Just another excuse cover up that point to any uncomfortable questions that arise.

Secretly he didn't want her soiled bottom to sit in his patrol car. But you are correct in your observation; the police should have at least followed/escorted them to the hospital where blood could have been drawn for DUI/drugs testing. I don't see a big problem with her calming down/getting legal representation before making a statement, though.

I wonder what happened to that actress pulled over for DUI on Asoke, a few months ago, who refused to go to the station or take a field sobriety test. The deference the RTP show to anyone who 'might' be hi-so or connected is disgusting.

A Thai acquaintance of mine owns a huge Benz and he intimidates any policeman who stops him until they let him go on his way. He drives so fast and crazy that I won't ride with him anymore. He knows that whatever accident he gets in that he won't be the one that gets hurt and he has no compassion for anyone else. That's why I will never be his friend but I don't dare tell him any of this or I will have an enemy for life.

On a street full of empty, parked cars, she hit the one car with someone sleeping in it. If that policeman's Karma didn't cause him to choose that particular spot/time to park and sleep (a parking lot would have been safer), she would have hit an empty car and there would be no tragedy and no story. I tend to believe in predestination and accept what life delivers. I worry a lot less, also. Thais seem to feel the same way about the vicissitudes (:a change of circumstances or fortune, typically one that is unwelcome or unpleasant.) of life.

I understand that some on this forum will miss my point and think I'm defending her driving but that, too, is part of life.

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I don't think you are being rude at all. Since you didn't read the rest of the posts, you don't know how many times I've been challenged on this, you also wouldn't know how tedious it is becoming but, just for you, I will, once again, repeat my explanation of why I posted what I did.

At first I thought the same as you but I wanted to be sure as most people just say 'numbers', when they refer to the numbering system used by the West, and not add the word 'Arabic'. That raised a question in my mind so, I went to Bing Images and typed in 'Arabic numbers' and this is what I got: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Arabic+numbers&go=Submit&qs=n&form=QBILPG&pq=arabic+numbers&sc=8-14&sp=-1&sk=

The OP said: A highly placed source in Japan said the gun had only Arabic numbers and English letters... This made me ask myself why the Japanese source would distinguish between Arabic numbers and English letters. Why would't he simply say English numbers and English letters or, simply, numbers and letters and then we could all assume he meant traditional Western numbers and letters? To my thinking, he was obviously making a distinction on the type of numbers that were imprinted on the frame as a serial number.

As I've said repeatedly, the trial will bring out all evidence and we will see photos of the actual gun and I will, for sure, be proven correct or incorrect. I'm wondering why this is so important to so many posters that I have had to address this more than a dozen times on this one thread. I welcome you to interpret the OP in any way you wish and I will interpret to OP any way I wish, as is my right. If my explanation is not good enough for you, I am sorry but it's the same reply I gave the first person who challenged my veracity/viewpoint and it's the best I'm going to attempt for now.

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As I said before. Oh my god. So many uneducated people post here.

There is no such thing as English numbers.

In England, we use roman numerals (I, II, III, IV, V...) and Arabic numerals (1,2,3,4,5). We don't have any English numerals!

Trust me, I am English. And educated. Americans use Arabic numerals too, they just don't know it on the whole.

Are you American, perhaps?

If you're looking for an argument, you will have to look somewhere else as I'm done with this topic. Bye, now.

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More like trying to teach a pig to whistle. I'm just wasting my time.................

I don't suppose there is any need to ask if you've had any luck with any record of a US arms manufacturer stamping serial numbers in other than westernised arabic numerals?

Just out of curiosity, what motivates a person to try to teach a pig to whistle?

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Buggered if I know, that's why I gave up.

BTW that saying has another line, but I didn't want to appear rude.

I've never thought of you as rude so don't change now. No hard feelings, I hope. We just have differing opinions. Most times I agree with your posts and don't enjoy getting into a pointless debate with you. My responses to you should not be seen as challenges to your own point of view but maybe to offer an alternative viewpoint. When someone responds to one of my posts, unless they are trolling, I feel they deserve a response. (there are some posters who are obviously just baiting me and to those I don't respond) Cheers!

Yes, I know that I am hard-headed/stubborn. My mia noi tells me all the time. She knows that she's a nag. Nobody's perfect.

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There seems to be some confusion as to just which bag the gun was in when he tried to board the plane in Japan

From the OP (second to last paragraph): Camronwit's aide had earlier said that the former top cop usually packed his medication in checked-in luggage, but the day he was arrested in Tokyo, his medication bag was in his hand luggage. The pistol was found in his medication bag.

There may have been confusion before but this statement makes it clear that Japanese authorities found it in his 'hand luggage' which cannot be confused with 'checked in luggage'. They found the gun in his 'hand luggage' which is the same as a carry-on bag which means he was attempting to bring a loaded, five-shot, revolver into the passenger cabin of a commercial aircraft.

Even if Japan wanted to be lenient, they can't now as this would make them look like they valued passenger safety as secondary to the special treatment of a foreign VIP. The Japanese authorities are dragging the proceedings out as this is very difficult/uncomfortable for them but, in the end, the world is watching and they will have to do what is correct.

"Crafted by the factory that produced the gun". So the Arabic is only to do with the factory is that made it.

Also from the OP: A highly placed source in Japan said the gun had only Arabic numbers and English letters crafted by the factory that produced the gun, identifying the country in which the gun was sold.

The presence of Arabic numbers does not, in any way, refer to where the gun was manufactured but are serial numbers stamped into the gun's frame to denote the market to which it was sold. North American Arms is a specialty gun manufacturer with only one factory and that is in Provo, Utah. You Tube has video tours of the (one and only) factory.

Here is what Arabic numerals look like:

arabic numerals.jpg

Because of the presence of Arabic numerals in the identifying serial number of this particular hand gun, this is clearly not a gun that would/could have been legally sold in Thailand hence, no paperwork or legal registration. Dubai uses Arabic numerals. Did this gun come from Dubai, maybe? Precious, indeed! Kamronwit just might have carried the 'loyalty/devotion' thing too far this time.

Another note: Since Muslims, by and large, are not permitted into Japan except on tourist visas, it is highly unlikely the gun was acquired in Japan.

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OR the Japanese source was referring to westernised arabic numerals, the most commonly used numbering system on the planet.

I assume the "English" letters would indicate the country where it was sold.

That's pure speculation as the source didn't specify 'Westernized' Arabic numerals in the serial number but did point out that that they did identify the country to which the gun was sold (Arabic numbers for an Arabic country). From my perspective, if he had meant common everyday Western style numerals, he would have simply said, "the gun had only Western numbers and English letters crafted by the factory that produced the gun..." and it would not be necessary add the word 'Arabic' as no one I know identifies Western numbers as 'Arabic'. All I have to go on is the OP.

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I don't wish to be too rude and probably I should read the rest of the posts before I write this. But you must know an eclectic selection of Dumbo's.

Almost every body in the world knows that 1,2,3,4, etc are always known as Arabic numerals. As apposed to Roman Numerals, Thai/Chinese/Japanes/Korean/etc characters.

Also, the chances of this well known American gun manufacturer producing pistols with real Arabic numerals (which would be known a Arabic numeric characters) as used in Arabish Chat languages must be very close to 0.

The vast majority of people who read this post simply understood that the gun had serial numbers and who cares. He was trying to carry a loaded gun onto a

plane. No excuses at all for that. Put him away for lots of years (say 10, or X, or take your pick)

I don't think you are being rude at all. Since you didn't read the rest of the posts, you don't know how many times I've been challenged on this, you also wouldn't know how tedious it is becoming but, just for you, I will, once again, repeat my explanation of why I posted what I did.

At first I thought the same as you but I wanted to be sure as most people just say 'numbers', when they refer to the numbering system used by the West, and not add the word 'Arabic'. That raised a question in my mind so, I went to Bing Images and typed in 'Arabic numbers' and this is what I got: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Arabic+numbers&go=Submit&qs=n&form=QBILPG&pq=arabic+numbers&sc=8-14&sp=-1&sk=

The OP said: A highly placed source in Japan said the gun had only Arabic numbers and English letters... This made me ask myself why the Japanese source would distinguish between Arabic numbers and English letters. Why would't he simply say English numbers and English letters or, simply, numbers and letters and then we could all assume he meant traditional Western numbers and letters? To my thinking, he was obviously making a distinction on the type of numbers that were imprinted on the frame as a serial number.

As I've said repeatedly, the trial will bring out all evidence and we will see photos of the actual gun and I will, for sure, be proven correct or incorrect. I'm wondering why this is so important to so many posters that I have had to address this more than a dozen times on this one thread. I welcome you to interpret the OP in any way you wish and I will interpret to OP any way I wish, as is my right. If my explanation is not good enough for you, I am sorry but it's the same reply I gave the first person who challenged my veracity/viewpoint and it's the best I'm going to attempt for now.

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And because a newspaper report said that a source omitted "westernised" while also mistakenly calling Roman lettering English, there is a procedure where guns are stamped with the numeral system of the region where they are sold. There is NO evidence anywhere that such a procedure exists that I can find, and the best you have come up with is a phone keypad using both number systems.

You're beating a dead horse.

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More like trying to teach a pig to whistle. I'm just wasting my time.................

I don't suppose there is any need to ask if you've had any luck with any record of a US arms manufacturer stamping serial numbers in other than westernised arabic numerals?

Just out of curiosity, what motivates a person to try to teach a pig to whistle?

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Those are 'Westernized' Arabic numbers. The OP says Arabic numbers. example below of Arabic numbers that would be stamped on a gun to be sold in an Arabic speaking country where they use Arabic numbers so Arabic authorities can read the serial numbers. Dubai, for example.

Many people will disagree with you. Source please? In general when people are speaking of 'Arabic numbers' they mean these numbers:

From Wikipedia,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals: Arabic numerals or Hindu-Arabic numerals^[1][2] or Indo-Arabic numerals^[3] are the ten digits: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. They are the most common symbolic representation of numbers in the world today.

Like I said earlier, at Kamronwit's trial, all the evidence will be presented and it will be proven if I am right or wrong. In the meantime, why does it matter to you if you are so sure I am wrong? I have the right to speculate the same as many who have been speculating on this subject for the last few days. Thank you, in advance, for allowing me to voice my opinion.

I thought the same as you but to be sure, I did a Bing Image Search and this if what I found when I typed in 'Arabic numbers': http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=arabic+numbers&qs=SC&sk=&FORM=QBILPG&pq=arabic%20mumbers&sc=8-14&sp=1&qs=SC&sk=&ghc=1

The numbering system the West uses now is usually referred to as Western Arabic/European numerals.

Modern-day Arab telephone keypad with two forms of Arabic numerals: Western Arabic/European numerals on the left and Eastern Arabic numerals on the right:

EgyptphoneKeypad.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

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You can speculate all you like, but don't correct others with incorrect specific and general information.

In the same vein as Thaksin when he famously said, "The UN is not my father", I tell you that, "You are not my father" so I am not bound by your command.

People have been correcting me on this thread; have you also been admonishing them to not correct others or is it OK for them as long as you agree?

If I respond to someone who replied to me first, am I correcting them or am I responding to let them know I am not persuaded by their argument?

You started this by responding to my opinion and I am not persuaded. If you perceive this as 'correcting' you or others, that is your problem. Bye, now.

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Many people will disagree with you. Source please? In general when people are speaking of 'Arabic numbers' they mean these numbers:

From Wikipedia,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals: Arabic numerals or Hindu-Arabic numerals^[1][2] or Indo-Arabic numerals^[3] are the ten digits: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. They are the most common symbolic representation of numbers in the world today.

Like I said earlier, at Kamronwit's trial, all the evidence will be presented and it will be proven if I am right or wrong. In the meantime, why does it matter to you if you are so sure I am wrong? I have the right to speculate the same as many who have been speculating on this subject for the last few days. Thank you, in advance, for allowing me to voice my opinion.

I thought the same as you but to be sure, I did a Bing Image Search and this if what I found when I typed in 'Arabic numbers': http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=arabic+numbers&qs=SC&sk=&FORM=QBILPG&pq=arabic%20mumbers&sc=8-14&sp=1&qs=SC&sk=&ghc=1

The numbering system the West uses now is usually referred to as Western Arabic/European numerals.

Modern-day Arab telephone keypad with two forms of Arabic numerals: Western Arabic/European numerals on the left and Eastern Arabic numerals on the right:

EgyptphoneKeypad.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

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And because a newspaper report said that a source omitted "westernised" while also mistakenly calling Roman lettering English, there is a procedure where guns are stamped with the numeral system of the region where they are sold. There is NO evidence anywhere that such a procedure exists that I can find, and the best you have come up with is a phone keypad using both number systems.

You're beating a dead horse.

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Now, the only way Kamronwit could be deeper in the poo is if he had gone on a shooting rampage in Japan. One question I would dearly like to ask him. "Why did you keep it loaded when you easily can buy .22 magnum cartridges in Thailand?" There is stupid, breathtakingly stupid, glaringly stupid, but this is approaching 'blindingly stupid'. Wow!

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He is not the first Thai to be stupid and certainly not the last.

I see a lot of stupid people around me everyday.

It's notable because of the high position he attained.

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Now, the only way Kamronwit could be deeper in the poo is if he had gone on a shooting rampage in Japan. One question I would dearly like to ask him. "Why did you keep it loaded when you easily can buy .22 magnum cartridges in Thailand?" There is stupid, breathtakingly stupid, glaringly stupid, but this is approaching 'blindingly stupid'. Wow!

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Stupid is as stupid does! Can we be sure he was a Police General? Surely "stupid" people do not get promoted do they?

Thailand; a place where who you know is waaay more important than what you know. Do you know who my father is?

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Those are 'Westernized' Arabic numbers. The OP says Arabic numbers. example below of Arabic numbers that would be stamped on a gun to be sold in an Arabic speaking country where they use Arabic numbers so Arabic authorities can read the serial numbers. Dubai, for example.

Many people will disagree with you. Source please? In general when people are speaking of 'Arabic numbers' they mean these numbers:

From Wikipedia,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals: Arabic numerals or Hindu-Arabic numerals^[1][2] or Indo-Arabic numerals^[3] are the ten digits: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. They are the most common symbolic representation of numbers in the world today.

Like I said earlier, at Kamronwit's trial, all the evidence will be presented and it will be proven if I am right or wrong. In the meantime, why does it matter to you if you are so sure I am wrong? I have the right to speculate the same as many who have been speculating on this subject for the last few days. Thank you, in advance, for allowing me to voice my opinion.

I thought the same as you but to be sure, I did a Bing Image Search and this if what I found when I typed in 'Arabic numbers': http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=arabic+numbers&qs=SC&sk=&FORM=QBILPG&pq=arabic%20mumbers&sc=8-14&sp=1&qs=SC&sk=&ghc=1

The numbering system the West uses now is usually referred to as Western Arabic/European numerals.

Modern-day Arab telephone keypad with two forms of Arabic numerals: Western Arabic/European numerals on the left and Eastern Arabic numerals on the right:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

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That's pure speculation as the source didn't specify 'Westernized' Arabic numerals in the serial number but did point out that that they did identify the country to which the gun was sold (Arabic numbers for an Arabic country). From my perspective, if he had meant common everyday Western style numerals, he would have simply said, "the gun had only Western numbers and English letters crafted by the factory that produced the gun..." and it would not be necessary add the word 'Arabic' as no one I know identifies Western numbers as 'Arabic'. All I have to go on is the OP.

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How would "arabic" numerals indicate the country where the gun was sold? There are over 20 where is Arabic is spoken. Whereas a 2 letter code can define any country.

"the gun had only Arabic numbers and English letters........... identifying the country in which the gun was sold." There is no specific reference to the numbers ONLY identifying the country.

The manufacturer stamps Arabic serial numbers into the frame of guns sold to Arabic countries so that Arabic speaking authorities can track the gun within their Arabic speaking country. What's so difficult to understand? The gun was sold to an Arabic country and a 2 letter code defined which country (your words).

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Why? Why would a western country bother to use specific location numerals when the letters provide the country location, rather than numerals that can be read and understood by almost every person on the planet. Do Thai guns use Thai numerals?

Even Russian manufacturers don't bother to use Cyrillic numbers on their products, nor do the Chinese use Chinese numerals.

From the OP: A highly placed source in Japan said the gun had only Arabic numbers and English letters crafted by the factory that produced the gun, identifying the country in which the gun was sold. He did not say which country.

What it didn't say was, "A highly placed source in Japan said the gun only had English numbers and English letters..."

Anything else is pure speculation on your part.

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This is a godsend for AOT and the Transport Minister, " see, the gun isn't linked to Thailand so he couldn't have been carrying it when he passed through Swampy so our scanners and the experts who man them are fully vindicated. "

The same thing occurred to me....not registered in Thailand, ergo it couldn't have come through swampy according to AOT

That's a argument ,or change of story they might try, but then surely he has a bigger problem if he goes down that route..okay so now your saying it didn't come from Thailand so where and who did you get it from in Japan and how did you 'forget' it was in your luggage..he's f***** ..serve him and BiB right..more of the same please..also..Arabic numbers and English indicating where the gun was sold...!! Dubai anyone?

Arabic numbers are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 - As far as I know their are used most of the time in the Western world as well.

Those are 'Westernized' Arabic numbers. The OP says Arabic numbers. example below of Arabic numbers that would be stamped on a gun to be sold in an Arabic speaking country where they use Arabic numbers so Arabic authorities can read the serial numbers. Dubai, for example.

OR the Japanese source was referring to westernised arabic numerals, the most commonly used numbering system on the planet.

I assume the "English" letters would indicate the country where it was sold.

That's pure speculation as the source didn't specify 'Westernized' Arabic numerals in the serial number but did point out that that they did identify the country to which the gun was sold (Arabic numbers for an Arabic country). From my perspective, if he had meant common everyday Western style numerals, he would have simply said, "the gun had only Western numbers and English letters crafted by the factory that produced the gun..." and it would not be necessary add the word 'Arabic' as no one I know identifies Western numbers as 'Arabic'. All I have to go on is the OP.

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How would "arabic" numerals indicate the country where the gun was sold? There are over 20 where is Arabic is spoken. Whereas a 2 letter code can define any country.

it wouldn't, but some people on here are hell bent on linking this case to "Dubai" for some reason...

It's not like Lord Voldemort na Dubai wouldn't give his special agent such a thoughtful and appreciated gift. It seems that Kamronwit couldn't part with it even though the chances of discovery were high. I'm sure,during the trial, that the origin of the gun will be revealed and my guess will be proven right or wrong. I think I'm allowed to speculate since everyone else is.

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OR the Japanese source was referring to westernised arabic numerals, the most commonly used numbering system on the planet.

I assume the "English" letters would indicate the country where it was sold.

That's pure speculation as the source didn't specify 'Westernized' Arabic numerals in the serial number but did point out that that they did identify the country to which the gun was sold (Arabic numbers for an Arabic country). From my perspective, if he had meant common everyday Western style numerals, he would have simply said, "the gun had only Western numbers and English letters crafted by the factory that produced the gun..." and it would not be necessary add the word 'Arabic' as no one I know identifies Western numbers as 'Arabic'. All I have to go on is the OP.

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How would "arabic" numerals indicate the country where the gun was sold? There are over 20 where is Arabic is spoken. Whereas a 2 letter code can define any country.

"the gun had only Arabic numbers and English letters........... identifying the country in which the gun was sold." There is no specific reference to the numbers ONLY identifying the country.

The manufacturer stamps Arabic serial numbers into the frame of guns sold to Arabic countries so that Arabic speaking authorities can track the gun within their Arabic speaking country. What's so difficult to understand? The gun was sold to an Arabic country and a 2 letter code defined which country (your words).

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There seems to be some confusion as to just which bag the gun was in when he tried to board the plane in Japan

From the OP (second to last paragraph): Camronwit's aide had earlier said that the former top cop usually packed his medication in checked-in luggage, but the day he was arrested in Tokyo, his medication bag was in his hand luggage. The pistol was found in his medication bag.

There may have been confusion before but this statement makes it clear that Japanese authorities found it in his 'hand luggage' which cannot be confused with 'checked in luggage'. They found the gun in his 'hand luggage' which is the same as a carry-on bag which means he was attempting to bring a loaded, five-shot, revolver into the passenger cabin of a commercial aircraft.

Even if Japan wanted to be lenient, they can't now as this would make them look like they valued passenger safety as secondary to the special treatment of a foreign VIP. The Japanese authorities are dragging the proceedings out as this is very difficult/uncomfortable for them but, in the end, the world is watching and they will have to do what is correct.

"Crafted by the factory that produced the gun". So the Arabic is only to do with the factory is that made it.

Also from the OP: A highly placed source in Japan said the gun had only Arabic numbers and English letters crafted by the factory that produced the gun, identifying the country in which the gun was sold.

The presence of Arabic numbers does not, in any way, refer to where the gun was manufactured but are serial numbers stamped into the gun's frame to denote the market to which it was sold. North American Arms is a specialty gun manufacturer with only one factory and that is in Provo, Utah. You Tube has video tours of the (one and only) factory.

Here is what Arabic numerals look like:

arabic numerals.jpg

Because of the presence of Arabic numerals in the identifying serial number of this particular hand gun, this is clearly not a gun that would/could have been legally sold in Thailand hence, no paperwork or legal registration. Dubai uses Arabic numerals. Did this gun come from Dubai, maybe? Precious, indeed! Kamronwit just might have carried the 'loyalty/devotion' thing too far this time.

Another note: Since Muslims, by and large, are not permitted into Japan except on tourist visas, it is highly unlikely the gun was acquired in Japan.

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OR the Japanese source was referring to westernised arabic numerals, the most commonly used numbering system on the planet.

I assume the "English" letters would indicate the country where it was sold.

That's pure speculation as the source didn't specify 'Westernized' Arabic numerals in the serial number but did point out that that they did identify the country to which the gun was sold (Arabic numbers for an Arabic country). From my perspective, if he had meant common everyday Western style numerals, he would have simply said, "the gun had only Western numbers and English letters crafted by the factory that produced the gun..." and it would not be necessary add the word 'Arabic' as no one I know identifies Western numbers as 'Arabic'. All I have to go on is the OP.

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This is a godsend for AOT and the Transport Minister, " see, the gun isn't linked to Thailand so he couldn't have been carrying it when he passed through Swampy so our scanners and the experts who man them are fully vindicated. "

The same thing occurred to me....not registered in Thailand, ergo it couldn't have come through swampy according to AOT

That's a argument ,or change of story they might try, but then surely he has a bigger problem if he goes down that route..okay so now your saying it didn't come from Thailand so where and who did you get it from in Japan and how did you 'forget' it was in your luggage..he's f***** ..serve him and BiB right..more of the same please..also..Arabic numbers and English indicating where the gun was sold...!! Dubai anyone?

You forgot the bit about : " A highly placed source in Japan said the gun had only Arabic numbers and English letters crafted by the factory that produced the gun"

"Crafted by the factory that produced the gun". So the Arabic is only to do with the factory is that made it.

It is apparently made by a company called North American Arms Company that has their headquarters in Provo Utah, whether their factory is there or not who knows.

Whatever. The fact that the gun is not registered in Thailand does not mean it was not taken to Japan from Thailand as there will be plenty of unregistered firearms in this country.

It also may have no bearing on the charge of carrying a loaded gun onto a plane but it should leave him open to another charge of being in possession of an unregistered firearm.

There seems to be some confusion as to just which bag the gun was in when he tried to board the plane in Japan but considering that at the very least any reports from Japan have to be translated into English and possibly from Japanese to Thai then to English there is plenty of room for words to be confused.

There seems to be some confusion as to just which bag the gun was in when he tried to board the plane in Japan

From the OP (second to last paragraph): Camronwit's aide had earlier said that the former top cop usually packed his medication in checked-in luggage, but the day he was arrested in Tokyo, his medication bag was in his hand luggage. The pistol was found in his medication bag.

There may have been confusion before but this statement makes it clear that Japanese authorities found it in his 'hand luggage' which cannot be confused with 'checked in luggage'. They found the gun in his 'hand luggage' which is the same as a carry-on bag which means he was attempting to bring a loaded, five-shot, revolver into the passenger cabin of a commercial aircraft.

Even if Japan wanted to be lenient, they can't now as this would make them look like they valued passenger safety as secondary to the special treatment of a foreign VIP. The Japanese authorities are dragging the proceedings out as this is very difficult/uncomfortable for them but, in the end, the world is watching and they will have to do what is correct.

"Crafted by the factory that produced the gun". So the Arabic is only to do with the factory is that made it.

Also from the OP: A highly placed source in Japan said the gun had only Arabic numbers and English letters crafted by the factory that produced the gun, identifying the country in which the gun was sold.

The presence of Arabic numbers does not, in any way, refer to where the gun was manufactured but are serial numbers stamped into the gun's frame to denote the market to which it was sold. North American Arms is a specialty gun manufacturer with only one factory and that is in Provo, Utah. You Tube has video tours of the (one and only) factory.

Here is what Arabic numerals look like:

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Now, the only way Kamronwit could be deeper in the poo is if he had gone on a shooting rampage in Japan. One question I would dearly like to ask him. "Why did you keep it loaded when you easily can buy .22 magnum cartridges in Thailand?" There is stupid, breathtakingly stupid, glaringly stupid, but this is approaching 'blindingly stupid'. Wow!

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There is a reason I relish the rise of low cost air carriers within Thailand.

Red flagged they may be, but I cant remember the last time one crashed, yet I've long since run out of fingers and toes counting bus carnage incidents!

I cant remember the last time one crashed

Sept. 2007

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/09/17/headlines/headlines_30049197.php

The captain at the controls, he claimed, was an Indonesian who had failed his medical earlier this year and had been grounded for two months because he would fall asleep at the controls.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482733/Phuket-air-crash-pilot-fall-asleep-controls.html

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"He has now assigned a close aide to contact his friend to get the registration papers for the gun, which will be used as evidence,"

The only evidence I see here is that the gun was never registered in his name, otherwise his son would have brought it to Japan.

I read elsewhere the scans of his luggage when he checked in in Bkk were deleted which is common after 3 days. However, he was caught in Tokyo within this time frame…

I suspect the "registration papers" happen to be in a big brown envelope

or a 'snack box'.

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I thought I read originally that the son was traveling to Japan with the gun registration papers. Now we hear that a "friend" who gave him the gun has the / his papers. Or is it that the local plod are too slow in coming up with a set of papers that will pass international scrutiny for a gun they have never seen? In any event, surely a senior policeman would not be so stupid as to travel abroad with a gun without carrying its papers. There is clearly more to this than we are being told.

I would suggest the registration papers, if they exist, are something of an irrelevance as they are only applicable to Thailand.

Carrying a gun overseas without clearance from the host country is stupid and it's unlikely to have been given. Apart from the fact that the Japanese are hot on gun control and possession why would he need one when the purpose of visit was supposedly inspecting waste disposal systems ?

Thais need to learn, no mean feat, that who they think they are, what they can do, what they can get away with ends when they leave the country.

Looking this weapon up on Google, I'm surprised at how small it is. There are several models, and we don't know if this is the regular, the long rifle, or the magnum version, but they are all basically derringer sized, which means you could basically cover the thing with your hand. I have no idea what a "medicine bag" is. I think Native Americans used to carry magical implements and relics in what was translated from their languages as a "medicine bag." If it is used to carry medicines which must be taken regularly it's hard to see how he could not have been reminded of the presence of the thing every morning, noon, and night, or however often he had to take his medicine. On the other hand if it was filled with stuff like bandages, tourniquet, and disinfectant, to be used only in case of an emergency, it's hard to see why he was carrying it at all.

Assuming he has reason to be fearful of assassins, perhaps he has guns stashed all over his house and routinely carries something like this little dandy, and maybe he did just forget it. It's kind of bizarre. Not that a VIP like him would bypass the security check in Thailand, but that he would take a gun to Japan, where even the police are usually unarmed.

Oh, I just scrolled through some other replies and see that a helpful video was posted, telling us that this is the magnum version. Not sure how helpful it would be against a really determined attacker, but certainly deadly if you're lucky enough to hit the right spot.

Not sure how helpful it would be against a really determined attacker, but certainly deadly if you're lucky enough to hit the right spot.

If you are a common mugger and you get shot with a .22 magnum round, unless you are a hired assassin your priorities will quickly change from wanting to mug that person to wanting to seek medical attention. It doesn't have to be deadly, which it most certainly can be, to be protection.

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"surely a senior policeman would not be so stupid ....."

SERIOUSLY? lol Oh no they are indeed known for their intellect; just like the other "geniuses" running the asylum.

Exactly. They are promoted for their reliability in blindly following instructions from above and their loyalty.

An official of the Japanese government, when contacted by the Kom Chad Luek newspaper, reportedly said the gun was inside Camronwit's medicine bag and it was loaded with five bullets.

Couldn't he have at least unloaded it before trying to bring it on the plane. Proof that it's who you know and not what you know that gets you ahead in Thailand.

Ron White - "You Can't Fix Stupid" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDvQ77JP8nw

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http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline

LFTRs in 5 minutes - Thorium Reactors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY

Nuclear power that can run unattended, buried underground, and refueled every 20 years. One reactor, the size of a 40' shipping container, can power 5,000 US homes, so no need for long transmission lines. 99% efficient and the waste has a half-life measured in decades. The fuel is cheap and is a by-product of mining rare-earth minerals.

The only thing stopping implementation of any of these clean, cheap alternatives is the bribe money paid to politicians by the companies already heavily invested in current technologies.

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Thai word for safety = ความปลอดภัย (kwamplodpie)

Years ago, when the tuk-tuk drivers would try to solicit my business, I would just say, "Mai plodt pai" (no security/not safe) and walk on. I have ridden in one of those passenger vans twice. The first time, we were so crowded with people and the boxes they were taking to Isaan (from Bangkok), that I needed a week of massages to unkink myself. The other time, not wanting to wait on the bus, we took a van from Bangkok to Prachuap, the driver was hitting speeds of 165 kph. That was it for me. I take a bus or the train now and I'm glad it's slow.

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Can we guess what African country most or all of them were from?

(as if to teacher in class) Ooh!. Ooh!, I know, I know! Nigeria?

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