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They can ask for ice cream, a TV in their cells and a bedtime story too, for all the good its gonna do.

However much we might think their crime is not so bad, they broke the law.

As we all know, acting like Prima Donnas does not go down well with Thai authorities.

Even Win and Zaw worked that one out.

When you're in pokey, you take your lumps

They broke the law.....whose law ?

Sadly, they broke the law of uncertainty.

I am not sure they are allowed a cat in prison?, or are they???

If you are referring to Schrodinger's Cat, it takes a lot more than the cat to show the uncertainty.

Obtuse, much?

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They broke the law.....whose law ?

http://notthenation.com/2015/04/prayuth-rides-horse-shirtless-wrestles-monitor-lizard/

Not the Nation. Great place to get your 'facts' other than your Communist inspired Red Shirt play book.

It seems you don't have much of an argument when you descend to ridicule instead of citing real reasons.

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They can ask for ice cream, a TV in their cells and a bedtime story too, for all the good its gonna do.

However much we might think their crime is not so bad, they broke the law.

As we all know, acting like Prima Donnas does not go down well with Thai authorities.

Even Win and Zaw worked that one out.

When you're in pokey, you take your lumps

They broke the law.....whose law ?

The current, well-publicized law of Thailand, duh.

These students intentionally challenged authority and for any authority to remain as authority, they cannot allow the laws to be broken and cannot be selective in which laws they enforce or to whom they are lenient. Is it not that way in your own home country?

The alternative is anarchy.

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this is what I predicted! Sacco and Vanzetti way of propaganda!

sometimes it even scares me - to be so accurate...

TimmyT, sometimes you even scare me - you are so inaccurate.

If you want to be in the least convincing, please point out the parallels in this case and that of S&V. Betcha can't.

You're not very good at this propaganda stuff, are you? Keep trying. Although you show no aptitude for propaganda, practice makes perfect.

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Bravo for these students! They are courageous and tough to stand up to the thugs with guns.

stand up to the thugs with guns

Are you calling the RTA, thugs? Is the Junta wearing side-arms?

Your post is pure hyperbole in the support of the return of Thaksin to power in Thailand. Why do you hate Thai people so much?

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.....as instructed.....

....heroic.....don't be ridiculous......

I see the propaganda arm of the military are now employing daleks to post on here. Exterminate!

I see the propaganda arm of the military PTP are now employing daleks to post on here.

There. TIFY

Exterminate!

With an exclamation mark, yet. Who is being exterminated?

Hyperbolic, much?

Since the only alternative to the Junta is Thaksin, it is clear that those who are against reforms are Thaksin supporters. Those of us who haven't lost our memory know who supported criminals of PTP even before the coup. Who are the daleks, now?

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They can ask for ice cream, a TV in their cells and a bedtime story too, for all the good its gonna do.

However much we might think their crime is not so bad, they broke the law.

As we all know, acting like Prima Donnas does not go down well with Thai authorities.

Even Win and Zaw worked that one out.

When you're in pokey, you take your lumps

What are you talking about , they voiced their opinion peacefully and are now in Prison. Maybe they will do it to your kids one day , what an idiotic thing to say

are now in Prison

No, they are not in prison, they are in jail awaiting trial. They wouldn't even be in jail if they hadn't refused to bond themselves out.

Hyperbolic, much?

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What? No condemnation of the anti-democrat government? Has the US joined Switzerland and is 'working side by side' with Thailand's 'illegal' government? /sarc

I've thoroughly enjoyed reading all the Thaksin Brigade (you know who you are and so do I) getting their panties in a twist. Take heart, Thaksin Brigade, at least the PM, whom you despise for taking away Thaksin's 'permit to steal', wasn't invited.

"If the shoe fits, wear it"

On a more serious note, the US charge d'affaires is being pragmatic. He has no choice, if he wants to retain any presence/influence in Thailand, but to cooperate with the current Thai government. Since when has the US allowed morals or principle to stand in the way of pragmatism? If Thaksin were to step back into power tomorrow, the US would just as easily 'work side by side' with him. The US charge d'affaires showed the US's displeasure by his invitation snub of the Thai PM.

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I love that. If you question the junta you're a red shirt. It's the last respite of junta lovers knowing they are wrong.

We all know what Thaksin is. He's the rogue high So Thai elite. The power went to his head and he was a threat to the other elites. But guess what? That fact doesn't now make the other elites the 'good guys'. Those elites have been robbing Thailand for their own gain for decades before Thaksin was even On the scene and will continue to now that he is gone.

You are right but out of the conflict between the factions came some good. Elections became important and the elite now need to listen, the poor now have free health care and political clout, the need for farming subsidies has been recognised. These good things are here to stay and form part of Taksins legacy whatever bad things he did.

Sadly, I see you are a Thaksin supporter. Still ignorant but not in the way I was giving you the benefit of a doubt of being.

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You can throw insults at me all you wish, I don't care, those resorting to them usually do so because they cannot produce the facts (maybe through ignorance but in your case I think denial) to support their viewpoint.

I do not support Taksin but merely stated some facts about his legacy. Your denial of them shows you are are not prepared to accept reality. Your branding of everyone as either pro or anti Taksin limits your options to think clearly about things.

Being in denial means it is difficult for you to talk sensibly so I expect your insulting reply will appear here shortly. If so I am sure it will make me smile, if not then that will be a bonus for everybody.

Hey, if you're ashamed to be called a Thaksin supporter, stop bragging on him. Where did I deny his 'acomplishments'.

Knock down Straw Men, much?

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It just goes to show you how many show up when they aren't being paid. Most Thais I know are rather apathetic when it come to politics but not apathetic when it comes to money. For money, they are willing to shed their apathy.

On another note, when will this group be arrested for disturbing the peace?

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If that were true the Democrats would have won all those elections they actually lost as they have a lot more wealthy benefactors with huge amounts of money that make the Taksins look middle class.

I guess you didn't know that the Democrats were not allowed to campaign/buy votes in huge swathes of the North and Northeast by Red Shirt ruffians. Movie stars and recording artists who supported the Democrats had their free concerts disrupted/canceled and were threatened by Red Shirt ruffians. Were you even in Thailand or didn't you follow the news?

BTW, Thaksin had his own set of very wealthy 'elites' on his team; don't kid yourself. Thaksin was one of the richest men in Thailand and no one was rich enough to make him look 'middle class'.

Hyperbolic, much?

You write like you knowledgeable on the subject but you are flat wrong on all counts. I'm hoping you are writing from ignorance and not because you are a Thaksin supporter.

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I guess you didn't know that the 2011 election was monitored by ANFREL and the results deemed legitimate. I also guess you didn't know that the Democrats declined to participate in the 2014 election because they knew they wouldn't win, and that it was Suthep and his thugs, not redshirts, that disrupted that election.

What makes you think that? I never wrote to the contrary. Your post has nothing to do with my disagreement with somo.

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In nature, dogs would have nothing to do with humans but would owe their loyalty to the pack.

Your dogs know their place in your pack (even if you don't) and you are the alpha dog or pack leader.

I think your reasoning clashes a bit here. What if in the nature, a human is the pack leader? That sounds like a hunting party to me, not uncommon at all.

The two species seem to be compatible enough to form an alliance. Forms vary. And I reckon since most think of dogs as allies, well, eating your ally is a bit of bad behavior, innit?

Easy solution: eat the vicious soi dogs and leave the friendly furries be. Win-win.

Any dog on public property without a leash or owner present should be fair game. Have you ever been bitten by a feral soi dog? They are not quite the 'allies' many think they are.

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This amnesty would not include those convicted for criminal, lese majeste and corruption offences.

If you rule out those arrested for criminal, lese majeste, and corruption offenses, how many 'ordinary' protesters, of the tens (hundreds) of thousand of protesters, were arrested and are still in jail? What are the convictions/charges against them, if they aren't criminal, lese majeste, and corruption offenses?

As for "leaders, security officers as well as high-ranking officials responsible for issuing directives or policies in relation to political rallies", none of them should be considered because that would include Abhisit and Suthep and the Democrat government.

A great part of the population will be offended if anyone higher than the most 'ordinary' protester is amnestied and amnesty will not lead to reconciliation but to more recriminations and self-serving finger pointing.

Stop with the amnesty talk already. That word has become poison.

BTW, Abhisit is yesterday's news unless he is taken to court. Why are they giving this failed leader a forum?

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To answer your final point, I don't think Abhisit is "being given a forum".He is a former PM and despite his weaknesses he is a man of experience and intellect.Those two latter qualities immediately distinguish him from the pack.He has every right to comment as he thinks fit.In the present climate of fear and repression (not to mention stunning incompetence) he also feels a duty to speak out.

Nevertheless the amnesty issue is a tricky one.It's certainly not clear why those accused of lese majeste (usually on spurious grounds) should be excluded.At the same time it's equally not clear why coupsters who crushed democracy should benefit from an amnesty.

Those found guilty of corruption should not even be considered for an amnesty (with the sad but necessary proviso that the judicial system's involvement must be fair and transparent).

In the circumstances I do believe reconciliation does require some painful concessions.That means I suggest amnesties for Suthep and PDRC, the PAD leadership and the redshirt leadership etc etc.Thaksin is a special case and cannot be included.

The witch hunt against Yingluck should be abandoned.(Genuine corruption in the rice price support scheme should be pursued in accordance with the law - but see proviso above.)

The witch hunt against Yingluck should be abandoned

Since I follow your posts, you just revealed the true reason for your 'pretty words' about Abhisit.

Abhisit's proposal would include himself and Suthep and that security panel he formed to deal with Thaksin's paid Red Shirt mob, headed by Tarit that called the army on the 'peaceful' protesters. A little to self-serving and it would open the door to amnesty for all politicians' corruption that hadn't been through the courts yet, including all the misdeeds of the Rice Support Scheme, because they haven't been found guilty... YET. And they never will if Abhisit and all the other guilty parties have their way.

That's about 27,000 plus cases in some phase of being processed by the legal system for political corruption but not yet in the courts. Also, those people who shut down the airport and invaded Government House, those people who got on the Red stage and told people to 'Burn Bangkok down', the Men in Black who were videotaped shooting at Kok Wua intersection April 19,2001, and those who blocked the polls in the annulled 2014 vote, etc., all need to get the justice they deserve and not get amnesty. If your aren't Thai, you sure think like one.

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I could be gambling debts but really, does it matter why? It is really hard to justify armed robbery.

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I presume the poster regards "tyranny of the minority" as a much better system.

I seem to remember a few weeks ago an article was posted listing a group of countries that were the new friends of Thailand. It was a short list and comprised of countries that would certainly not be on anyone's "must visit list".

As for calling democracy a "tyranny of the majority" shows a certain scary view of politics in the 21st century. I presume the poster regards "tyranny of the minority" as a much better system. Now that worries me greatly.

No, I mean the Thai habit of 'if you have a veto-proof majority in Parliament, you just ram through whatever you want; regardless what the minority feels'. The Yingluck Thaksin 'blanket' Amnesty Bill is an example. Don't be obtuse or try to mis-characterize what I wrote. If you're not sure of my meaning, you can respond directly to my post instead of talking about me to another poster. You're a little bit of a 'sneaky snake' aren't you?

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The facts of the matter are otherwise, however. In response to street protests against the amnesty bill, the Yingluck government voluntarily withdrew the bill before it became law, the first such action in Thai history. Of course, that wasn't enough for Suthep's mob for whom the amnesty issue was just a pretext to stop democratic elections and bring down the legitimate government of Thailand to deliver it to the hands of the fascists.

So, the Yingluck government was not without regard for "what the minority feels" at all. Of course, that hardly matters at all to supporters of fascism like yourself.

Oh, please. I see you don't let your ignorance of how laws are passed in Thailand stop you from spreading Red Shirt propaganda.

Once the law passed it went to the Senate for confirmation after which, if confirmed, would go to HM. The Senate could also have voted it down and it would be killed. The Senate didn't do either of those things. The Senate sent the 'blanket' Amnesty Bill back to the House of Representatives unchanged, where, according to the Constitution, after lying dormant for six months, it would become law with 50% +1 of the vote in the lower house that was controlled by Yingluck's Thaksin's party. The bill was absolutely not dead when Yingluck Thaksin voluntarily withdrew the bill. Do try to keep up.

BTW, I don't think 'fascism' means what you think it means.

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Military government, economic crisis looming...

Solution - Spend 36 Billion BHT on stuff the country doesn't need.

Is this the rational decision of a responsible government - is there an underwater war looming we haven't heard about?

3-5 % of the money lost in the rice scam......

So, because the previous government wasted money it is OK to waste another 36 billion Baht? Even if it were 1% of the Rice Scheme losses, it is not justified by anything the Admirals, or their paid mouthpieces, have said.

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This is not needed from an objective economic or military viewpoint. One could buy a fleet of fast, modern, cheap and easy to maintain, frigates for what these submarines will cost and frigates will do every job the sub could do and better. The only people who are for this wasteful program are those who have been included in the scam and stand to personally benefit. As for developing job skills, the reasons given for buying submarines get more ludicrous by the day. They are totally grasping at straws.

I can't believe the Army will let the Navy spend that much money without the Army spending ten times as much so, if the submarines are purchased, look for a huge shopping trip by the Army. If this thing is allowed, it will be a(nother) sad day for Thailand.

Thailand - The Hub of Greed.

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This amnesty would not include those convicted for criminal, lese majeste and corruption offences.

If you rule out those arrested for criminal, lese majeste, and corruption offenses, how many 'ordinary' protesters, of the tens (hundreds) of thousand of protesters, were arrested and are still in jail? What are the convictions/charges against them, if they aren't criminal, lese majeste, and corruption offenses?

As for "leaders, security officers as well as high-ranking officials responsible for issuing directives or policies in relation to political rallies", none of them should be considered because that would include Abhisit and Suthep and the Democrat government.

A great part of the population will be offended if anyone higher than the most 'ordinary' protester is amnestied and amnesty will not lead to reconciliation but to more recriminations and self-serving finger pointing.

Stop with the amnesty talk already. That word has become poison.

BTW, Abhisit is yesterday's news unless he is taken to court. Why are they giving this failed leader a forum?

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Sounds like this female Swiss ambassador is as gullible as the last US female ambassador to Thailand.

Perhaps they both know better than you how corrupt the last government was and how decent the current PM and his staff are. In any case, Ambassadors speak for their counties and not for themselves so really, you are saying that both the US and Switzerland governments are unaware of circumstances, past and present, in Thailand. I find that hard to believe. More likely is you're the one who is uninformed/misinformed/duped.

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Did not hear one word from last US female about the massive corruption in the Yingluck government, even a blind man could see it, wonder why? Also strange to hear an European Ambassador supporting a military Junta who throws students in jail just because of they feel that their human rights been tramped on, all in the name of "Political development" sounds like some kind of political arse licking to secure some trade deals to me.

To my thinking, pretty much all governments are corrupt and self-serving and will make a deal with the Devil to get an edge. Most governments, IMO, are secretly run from behind the scenes, not unlike Thaksin and his nominee parties, by powerful, secret cabals. The US government was overthrown by the CIA/Military Industrial Complex when they assassinated President John F. Kennedy in 1963. The proof is that the US has been in perpetual war, both declared and undeclared, ever since. The US is run by Generals and the CIA and took power with a coup. How does that make them different from Thailand? Thailand just isn't so opaque and this is a Thailand forum so I try to keep my comments about Thailand News.

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What a wonderful salutary lesson in the process of inquiry and justice where cash nor position does not buy off the possible charges and sentence.

Hmm with a 10 day extension maybe some back room negotiations are taking place. The case looks pretty cut and dried to me what is the need for an extension. Maybe both countries are looking for a way out to save face?

Possibly the Japanese authorities, besieged by requests from Kamronwit's backers, are giving those backers time to come-to-grips with the reality that Japan cannot be seen as weak on international air travel safety and the other reality that, no matter how sympathetic the Japanese authorities may be, Kamronwit, himself, is responsible for his being in deep poo.

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I think you may missunderstand the Japanese police and prosecution system.

If they had been worried about international reaction they would not have arrested the former Toyota head of PR who is a US citizen.

A former Bangkok police chief is no big deal.

Their guns laws are almost cast in stone.

If he was going to get treated lightly he would be out by now.

I think you may be misunderstanding my post. I guess I wasn't clear enough. The Japanese know they must strictly enforce the law and I believe, without a doubt, that they will. If they don't prosecute to the full extent of the law, they will be seen by the international community as weak on international air travel safety.

IF there are 'powerful forces' at work trying to pressure the Japanese into going light, the delay in prosecution, heretofore unexplained for what seems like an open and shut case, may be to help save face/embarrassment at having to tell those 'powerful forces', "no". You know how Asians hate to give a direct 'no'. They may be threatened with lost business opportunities, etc. and so don't want to seem too eager to prosecute the friend of these 'powerful forces'. For all I know, Lord Valdemort na Dubai, himself, may be lobbying for a light penalty for his former, loyal lackey. Even the Japanese don't want to give a too quick 'no' to such a man. I only suggested they are saying 'no' by Kamronwit's non-release and the delays are meant to prevent bad blood with the 'powerful forces' that are trying to help Kamronwit. This pressure/delay may explain why, if it were you or I, the Japanese haven't already brought justice down on Kamronwit like a ton of bricks.

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What a wonderful salutary lesson in the process of inquiry and justice where cash nor position does not buy off the possible charges and sentence.

Hmm with a 10 day extension maybe some back room negotiations are taking place. The case looks pretty cut and dried to me what is the need for an extension. Maybe both countries are looking for a way out to save face?

Possibly the Japanese authorities, besieged by requests from Kamronwit's backers, are giving those backers time to come-to-grips with the reality that Japan cannot be seen as weak on international air travel safety and the other reality that, no matter how sympathetic the Japanese authorities may be, Kamronwit, himself, is responsible for his being in deep poo.

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I am sure you can't blame Yingluck and PTP once again......strange no one blame the General....

No problem,in Britain the usual numptys still blame Maggie Thatcher for everything no matter when it happened

I blame George Bush for Margaret Thatcher!

Where can Steven and I just get decent burrito? were not here for anything but the food.....and weather

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g293916-d815933-Reviews-Sunrise_Tacos_Sukhumvit_12-Bangkok.html

They have locations all over Bangkok but I have patronized this one on numerous occasions and never been disappointed. I hope this helps.

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They're are no prostitutes in Thailand but lots of ladies looking for husbands and willing to spend short time or long time with men to see if they are sexually compatible.

Indeed, at least 99% of them are waitresses, or hotel receptionists or work in massage parlors ... and they are more than happy to spend time with anyone, of any age, for a small (in the beginning) financial consideration.

Can't remember where I read it, it was a while ago, but something like 90% of the prostitution here in Thailand is nothing at all to do with foreigners, it's Thai on Thai in those very discreet places that no one admits exist but everyone knows where they are and that has been the way of Thailand for centuries.

"places that no one admits exist but everyone knows where they are"

I do not know where they are!

Could you post a map please?

Can they be found on Google Earth "street view'?

I really feel left out now!

Nearly every Thai neighborhood has a place with a 'red light' and it is not at all advertised in the neighborhood but everyone knows of its existence. Ask a taxi or tuk-tuk driver and they will deliver you to your discreet neighborhood whorehouse. I hope this helps.

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The Thai sex industry has always been a prevalent part of Thailand throughout the centuries, but back in the old days it was mostly kept within the local communities. It could be described as part of the Thai cultural way of life. Prostitution was not frowned upon or considered a taboo subject as in the western countries. As a matter of fact being a cleaner or a servant was considered a lower grade of work than prostitution.

Then when the Japanese troops arrived on mass during WW2, they created large brothels for the servicing of their armies, the prostitutes being known as comfort women These became widespread throughout the country and especially in Bangkok, in areas that later developed into the entertainment complex, PatPong.

During the Vietnam war, American and Australian troops came over on mass that revitalised the sex industry here, what could be described as the first commercialised adult entertainments venues.

Then after the Vietnam war these establishments began to cater for western tourists, many actually holidaying in Thailand because of the lure of it`s women, that in Thai society were considered as a commodity to bring in those $$$$$$$$$$$, plus created employment for millions.

Over the last few years Thailand has tried to suppress it`s commercial sex industry, that has already happened in the northern regions and is now largely contained in certain areas of Bangkok and Pattaya.

The problem being that the sex industry in Thailand was a huge tourist attraction, even if no one wants to admit it or did not like the types of tourists it attracted. The availability of Thailand’s beautiful maidens was as famous and well known as gambling is to Las Vegas. For wine, women and song, Thailand was the country to visit.

If they decide to totally dismantle the commercial sex industry in Thailand, then that will result in the loss of billions each year in tourism revenue, including placing many people, probably in the millions out of work.

Like it or not, these are the facts.

"Over the last few years Thailand has tried to suppress it`s commercial sex industry, that has already happened in the northern regions and is now largely contained in certain areas of Bangkok and Pattaya."

nonsense - I don't think you actually have read the OP and think that the Sex Industry in Thailand is what you personally see in Pattay and Bkk - that's the "tip of the iceberg"a

I don't think he meant that, but he's right that The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act 1996 and the previous Entertainment Places Act 1966 which I believe is till in force, apply countrywide and were designed to draw a veil over the activities while allowing them to continue unobtrusively, as well as criminalise the more unsavoury parts.

...and increase the bribes needing to be paid to the BiB.

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