Exsexyman

You should read some history, especially about Iran and see who facilitated the overthrow of the last democratic, popular and reforming government

Already have. Maybe you should follow your own advice. Mossadegh had to cheat to get elected, so not so democratic, popular or reforming as some folks like to pretend.

Positively my last word on this thread. The present government in Iran and the obvious antagonism between them and the USA can be traced back to The CIA facilitating the overthrow of Mossedegh and installing the brutal Shah. Its called blowback, It is important when reading history to do so with no pre conceived ideas and with an open mind. That is what i try to do. How about you?

It is entirely possible that Iran is preparing for the future, when oil becomes scarce

No. they are trying to develop an offensive nuclear weapon and anyone who is honest will admit it.

So now they are trying to develop an OFFENSIVE nuclear weapon?

Yep, exactly right and after all the threats they have made about destroying other countries, the world takes then seriously.

Interesting that you selectively quoted a tiny part of my post Ulysses. I thought there were rules on here about that sort of thing. As for your statement that the world takes your Fox News inspired paranoic ramblings seriously well, the world is a big place. I would guess that the majority of the world looks on in horror at the behaviour of the USA in the past few years. Attacking sovereign nations to install undemocratic puppet governments for their own selfish greed. You should read some history, especially about Iran and see who facilitated the overthrow of the last democratic, popular and reforming government in Iran in 1953, and installed the brutal Shah. But of course he opened up the oil and gas fields to American companies which is all that matters. The present government in Iran is a direct result of America's meddling. This upcoming war is all about installing a Western Central Bank, and imposing Western owned debt on the Iranian people. Follow the money. America and its poodles in the West, (sadly i include the UK among them) have plenty of form in this area in recent years, that is undeniable.

It is entirely possible that Iran is preparing for the future, when oil becomes scarce

No. they are trying to develop an offensive nuclear weapon and anyone who is honest will admit it.

So now they are trying to develop an OFFENSIVE nuclear weapon? As opposed to Israel's, America's etc which i assume are cuddly nuclear weapons which release flowers when they are detonated! The IAEA,(Which has been allowed in to Iran Steely Dan) say there is no evidence of Iran developing nuclear weapons. The fact of the matter is that Iran is on America's list of countries they want to attack and facilitate a regime change. Iran's non existent nuclear weapons program is just an excuse. Iran owes no debt to the west and does not have a western central bank. Neither did Libya or Iraq, but they do now. Check out American 5 star general Wesley Clark on youtube giving a lecture in California in 2007, and all will become clear.

There have been a number of inaccuracies and outright lies posted on this thread about Fox News. If what you say is true, how about providing a link to prove it

Oh boy! Can I ever help you out in researching Fox News inaccuracies! Try this:

http://www.newshounds.us/

News Hounds

We watch FOX so you don't have to

Another interesting site for exposing Fox News lies is 'Veterans Today', which i assume is a site for American ex servicemen. Search 'Veterans Today phony Letterman threat'. The Murdoch Machine undermining democracy just like they have been doing in the UK for years. Thankfully they have pushed things too far there and are now in deep s--t.

There have been a number of inaccuracies and outright lies posted on this thread about Fox News. If what you say is true, how about providing a link to prove it

never mind

Search Fox News lie about Russia. www.youtube.com/watch?v==c4CG9jH-OBW. Sorry, i am not computer literate enough to actually post the link for you to click on. I actually saw this last night on Fox News OWN website, but of course they have now taken it off. Many links in several UK newspapers. It was broadcast, get over it.

FOX News is the equivalent of fake wrestling.

The news is the same news as on every other major network.

Yesterday Fox News showed footage of the riots in Greece a few weeks ago and passed it off as footage of people rioting in Moscow after the Russian elections! Check it out on youtube before Fox gets it taken off. Fox News is nothing more than a propaganda mouthpiece for the warmongering looney tunes in the Pentagon. Fair and balanced my arse!

Bobby Sands. For having the courage of his convictions.

Steely Dan, maybe you should ask UlyssesG, he is the one who managed to introduce Israel into this topic. As usual.

The latest IAEA report on Iran published earlier this month failed to live up to its hype

If you know anything about the guy who writes this blog, you would take anything he says about Israel with a huge grain of salt.

I don't know what you mean? he is listed on Wikipedia as follows

" Tony Karon is a South African-born journalist and former anti-Apartheid activist.He is Jewish, and a noted anti-Zionist writer. "

I think that makes him eminently suitable to comment on these matters with an independent perspective

Ah but what you have to understand Midas, is that the usual suspects on here who act as apologists for any acts by Israel that the majority of the civilised world considers abhorrent, refuse to differentiate between an Anti Zionist and an Anti Semite. If you dared to criticize the Irish Republican Army for any of their activities, i am sure they would accuse you of being an Anti Catholic!

One of the reasons i like Christmas in Thailand is to get away from the traditional Christmas day dinner back home.

More than 2,500 children currently serving such sentences! Only two countries refuse to ratify the UN Convention for the Rights of The child, The US and Somalia! Wow, America certainly does keep some distinguished company. And people on here go on about Iran.

The latest IAEA report on Iran published earlier this month failed to live up to its hype

If you know anything about the guy who writes this blog, you would take anything he says about Israel with a huge grain of salt.

Did the IAEA also inspect Israel's nuclear weapons capability, and if so what were the findings? It is probably worth pointing out that Israel's nukes release flowers and candy when detonated, unlike Iran's (Non Existent) nuclear weapons which of course would cause death and destruction.

Lets not forget Roy Buchanan - now there's a gifted guy (sadly recently deceased :-(

His rendition of Down By The River is one of my all-time fave tracks

I second Roy Buchanan. A magical player with a superb technique, and makes it look so easy. His live version of 'The Messiah Will Come Again' is sublime. Hairs prickling on the back of the neck job. Check it out on youtube.

Holy sh that is huge!!! How fast does that thing move?

They can move very fast indeed. Check out 'Giant Centipede Thailand' on youtube to watch them in action. Vicious, fearsome wee beasties. Definitely not to be messed with.

There is absolutely no moral difference between a suicide bomber and an American drone strike.Both kill innocent people for political reasons.

Absolutely a massive difference. A suicide bomber's goal is a kin to criminals such as gangsters and mafioso with even lower morality and ethics who's goal it is to intimidate and instill fear into the population and targets random innocents, while this is not the purpose of a drone..

What is the purpose of a drone then? Slaughtering innocent wedding parties. No moral difference at all. Many drone strikes have targeted innocent people. Of course they have brown skin so thats alright then.

I take the sardine special baht bus most days from Jomtien hill to town pretty much every day. The latest scam from the Russians is to ride the song teow into town, press the button when they reach Pattaya, usually at the Royal Garden with traffiic building up behind. Sometimes three or four of them will get off, the usual MO is for one of them to go to the window to pay whilst the others walk away to a safe distance. The payee will then proffer a 1,000 baht note to the driver. Of course the driver has no change. For a 40 baht fare! I have seen this a few times now, obviously the word has got around in the Russian community that this a good way of saving 40 baht. Difficult to believe that out of four people nobody has got smaller than a 1,000 note. Watch them standing there shrugging their shoulders at the driver with a big grin on their face. Seen this a few times now, at first i gave them the benefit of the doubt, but the other day i saw three of them sorting their money out before they pressed the bell, a pocket full of small notes between them. Three of them got off, two of them retired to a safe distance and the 1,000 baht note was proffered through the window. After a few minutes the rest of the passengers were getting very peed off with the delay, so i pulled a 100 baht note out of my pocket, waved it at the Russkie and said, "your friend have, why you not tell him to pay?" Well, if looks could kill! The baht bus driver, (who was a lady as it happens) was getting really agitated with traffic hooting etc. Of course in the end she pulled away with a face like thunder and wrote off the 30 baht. The three Russians walked away into the Royal Garden laughing, not exactly giving each other high fives but not far short. Another 30 baht saved. Quality tourists indeed! I would love top see signs on the Baht buses from Jomtien saying,"No Russians". Then what would they do? Because as sure as hell they will not hire them for 100 baht a go.

There is absolutely no moral difference between a suicide bomber and an American drone strike.Both kill innocent people for political reasons.

I am sure there is no chance of him being handed over to the ICC. Indeed it is highly unlikely that he will stand trial anywhere. He is the only one left who could spill the beans on his father's dodgy dealings with Western politicians and other public figures over the past forty odd years. Just imagine the "close friends" he would call as character witnesses. Tony Bliar, Peter Mandelson, Prince Andrew, Nathanial Rothschild etc. Which probably explains why units of the SAS have been scouring the Libyan desert for him during the past few weeks, desperate to stop him leaving the country. Just imagine the embarrassment he could cause the great and good in the West. No chance of that being allowed to happen. I suspect he will soon be experiencing ' That Jack Ruby Moment '.

Bad times ahead for libya now that they will get a central bank.

RIP Gaddafi.

Yep, thats what this adventure was really all about. Up until a few years ago there were only 7 countries that did not have a House of Rothschild owned central bank. Only 4 left to go now. Iraq and Afghanistan now have one and Libya will shortly be joining them. It was illegal for the national Bank of Libya to charge interest on loans. The Libyan wont be happy when they have to start paying interest to outside banksters. They can probably kiss goodbye to their free education, universities, quality health care etc as well. This has been years in the planning. Check out American 4 star general Wesley Clark on youtube, giving a lecture in California in 2007 where he explains the Pentagon plans for America to attack and overthrow the governments of 7 countries. Libya was one of them.

What a surprise! A fantastic vocalist with a god given gift. Another one in the twenty seven club along with Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Hendrix etc. Such a shame. Feel for her family, but sadly i see her Dad is already cashing in with books etc. Have these people no class or sense of decency? It appears not. Money number one, every time.

This surely must win the award for headline of the year!

...Atrocities to the western eye, but justice in the eyes of Arabs.

Be respectful of their cultural practices please.

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There are hundreds of thousands of Libyans that suffered under Ghadaffi and whose relatives went missing. There were no bodies returned for burials etc.The people murdered were active supporters of the regime. We may be disgusted by the massacre but, the act for the purpose of long term peace was expedient. It is highly unlikely that these most fervent of regime supporters would have laid down their arms.

In Iraq, Western forces took prisoners and then released the prisoners only to have the very same prisoners reappear as hostile combatants. The local Libyans know what they are dealing with. That is why neither the Ghadaffi regime and to a lesser extent the rebels were interested in the western concept of prisoners. Holding POWs has never been much of a practice in the region. During the Ottoman rule, the Turks would massacre the arab prisoners and the arabs would do the same. During the arab uprisings of the the last century, prisoners were usually killed. The Iran Iraq conflict saw thousands of prisoners killed. The only country that practiced the concept of POWS was Israel as demonstrated in the 1956 and 1967 wars.

I too abhor the murder of prisoners and in a perfect world would have preferred there to be trials. Unfortunately, it is difficult to force this concept on people that have suffered under repressive regimes. One saw similar events in Sierra Leone, Liberia, Rwanda and Burundi. Closer to home, similar events occurred with the overthrow of the Khmer Rouge. It's wrong, but war and violence is wrong as well.

But you don't abhor the murder of prisoners [not arab ones anyway) do you. Your thread is an attempt to justify it. Hundreds of thousands of relatives of Ghaddifi opponents missing never to be seen again? Where is your evidence for this? There is none. You mean like the rebels finding a mass grave in Misrata the other week, and when they were pushed for evidence the only thing they could produce were a load of camel bones. No doubt you think that Ghaddafi tortured himself, then sodomised himself with a piece of four by two and then shot himself! The fifty found with their hands tied and then executed is the tip of the iceberg. For weeks reports have been coming in of black Libyans in Sirte being tortured and summarily executed. At least one hundred thousand of them in Sirte and now none to be seen, where are they? Now reports today that American special forces and the SAS are on the ground desperately trying to stop Said Ghaddafi from escaping over the border. Do you think they will take him alive and put him on trial? I don't think so, he is the only one left who can spill the beans on western politicians and their cronies doing their deals with this "vile" regime for the past 40 odd years. The day before Ghaddafi was captured Hilary Clinton openly called for him to be killed. And as for Barack Obama of all people hailing what amounted to the torture and public lynching, words fail me. What an Uncle Tom he's turned out to be.

Now the Libyans will have Sharia law and all that entails thanks to NATO. The new bosses in Libya are a bunch of clueless Al Qaida and Muslim Brotherhood Islamists with a mixture of various tribes thrown in to the mix, installed by the West. Well done NATO! I recommend checking out American 4 star general Wesley Clark on youtube, giving a lecture in California in 2007, where he explains the Pentagon policy of America attacking and overthrowing the governments of seven countries in five years. Libya was one of them. This Libyan adventure was never about protecting civilians, surely anyone who still believes that must be terminally naive.

You are planning to go to Bangkok on Friday for a business meeting? Good luck with that. Make sure you take a wet suit!

Really................have you thought about contacting BP???? Surely knowing everything about the oil industry, you could have saved them fortune in the GOM

I didn't bring my notes from the Congressional Hearing, so I was think more along the line of shooting sh!t about oil in general.

Did you know we have already produced and consumed 1,000 billion bbls of oil or about 10 times the volume of water that is currently north of Bangkok (assuming the 14 billion m3 goverment figure is correct).

If anybody is interested an acquaintance of mine from the UK arrives for a three week holiday at the end of the month. He has worked for a local council for twenty years driving a tanker that empties septic tanks, known colloquially as 'a turd sucker'. He will be delighted to sit at the bar talking shit all night with anybody who will buy him beers. Any offers? Please!

hahahahhahaha

You may well laugh mate but i am the poor sod that will be lumbered with him! He is a friend of a friend who i have only met a couple of times, a nice enough bloke in his own way but his conversation is pretty much limited to his work! Unfortunately i have been enlisted to show him the ropes here. He has never been married, perhaps understandably so given his line of work, after all it must be difficult to avoid taking some of his work home with him. So hopefully he will fall in love very quickly and will have no need for a tour guide. But if anybody out there is interested in learning about septic tanks and all they entail feel free to contact me!

Meanwhile the UKs Royal Airforce has been bombing Libya for the past 8 months on behalf of a bunch of Al Qaeda and Muslim brotherhood "Rebels". Funny old world!