SteeleJoe

2 questions; When did Rolling Stone become a magazine? (It's a tabloid.)

Secondly, why would anyone care?

1) It has always, by definition, been a magazine. (It does not meet the definition of tabloid).

2) Read the thread. If you still don't know why some people do, give up.

Glad to help.

I honestly think that world over .... The death penalty should be in force for sexual offenses on minors of any age up to the age of acceptable adult consentment ... as to what that age should be ...? Yes .. debatable !...There is so much and so many infant / child rapes happening all over the world which lead to many other crimes committed thereafter by these very same victims who then themselves get undue severe punishments for acts they do caused by the abuses they themselves went through ... but that their abusers got away with for years as they were too scared to expose them .... the violaters that is !! It is all very sad and where is the limit of control & punishment that won't on the other hand make people subdued to overwhelming police monitoring & control ...

Although I am in total agreement with you about the need for severe punishment for anyone who engages in such heinous acts, I do not concur with your assumption that victims tend to go on to become perpetrators themselves.

I was a victim of severechild abuse myself, not sexual, but extreme physical abuse. I endured some horrendous treatment by a very vicious father for 15 years, before I was able to stand up for myself and bring an end to it.

I have three children of my own, all with lovely grandchildren, and I never once considered inflicting the same treatment upon them that I had been made to endure.

Contrary to your assumption, I believe that having lived through such difficult years, the last thing you would want to do is inflict the same sort of treatment on your own children.

As best as can be determined, it is not at all uncommon for childhood victims of sexual abuse to become abusers themselves. That you haven't replicated with your children the evil visited on you, does not I'm afraid, prove anything other than not ALL victims emulate their abusers - which no claims.

Your closing line would seem logical and obvious but in fact the human psyche isn't always so straightforward.

.You're missing the point, it's not about Hitler any more it's the disgraceful fact that the genius's can't spell congratulations.

Genius's

Who can't spell?

Oh, sweet irony...

Oh, look! Another person who either can't read, is really dimwitted - or both!

Back up your disgusting comment: show me how and where I defended pedophiles in any way whatsoever.

The frustrating part to me . . .

Not sure why I bother, but the true racists are those that believe the message to our children here is to not trust non blacks as opposed to instructing our kids not to commit violent acts toward other humans regardless of their race.

The racists are those that bash the legal system as being racially biased, bash jurors they don't know, bash the prosecution for not making big deal out of gun control laws, accuse the Florida system of some how being impacted by an old insignificant white trial level judge from a far away state, and on and on simply because something did not turn out the way they had planned or hoped based on PERSONAL reasons.

The racist are those that believe when things don't go their way it is because of white Anerica.

The racists are those that speak out in a case like this, but care little when a non black person is targeted by a black person because of their race.

The racists are those that refuse to address the true problem, black on black crime and the disproportionately high number of crimes committed by non whites and instead complain that the system is geared to lock up blacks.

The racists are those that believe a non black should be targeted for a hate crime or revenge motives because something did not go their way.

The racists are those that believe violence is ever okay and acceptable when directed toward a non black under any circumstances including a jury's decision to acquit.

The racists are those that focus on nothing but racial divide and racial animosity when something does not go as planned or turn out the way they had hoped.

Well, I'll be damned. And here's me thinking the racists were people that believed that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

I always vote, I voted for Obama twice, I only vote Democratic as Repugs have done nothing but start wars, Democrats were the movers of the Civil Rights Bill, Equal Rights Amendment and all the others.

They passed the Social Security retirement.

And they will be behind- Justice for Trayvon,

Cheers:

I have only voted for Democrat presidents as well and while I have no great esteem for the party, they tend to be closer to my own political positions than their opposition.

But you need to brush up on your history regarding Civil Rights. Look up the "Southern Bloc" to start with...

Barrack asked us to search our souls. The problem with this is that he has made too many laws against people being able to express what is in their souls, and to call upon people to search their souls means to engage in honesty. Putting limitationon uttering honesty, I feel, really is quite a defeating thing to do if we are all supposed to come together and get out the poison before we can clean the wounds.

Sincere and simple question: which laws? Which limitations?

To the extent that I was abusive, it was in response to saying I had excused pedophilia. Now you go on to lie again even more insultingly.

By the way, it's an easy dodge to say "I'm not going to discuss it" after you've said blatantly dishonest and verifiably false things but feel free to point out where I obfuscated or in what regard did indicate insufficient knowledge of Thai law or fail to make sense.

There's nothing in Thai law or any other that makes my position incorrect or your claims accurate.

Many bad mouth and disrespect our President Barrack H. Obama because he is (Oh My God a Black President).

Not many. Some. However, most of us who disrespect him do it for different reasons. He has purposely divided the country for political gain and his policies overseas and domestically are hastening the decline of what was a great nation.

I could care less what color he is.

Well baring the unforeseen there are 1279 days until the JAN 2017 Presidential Inauguration when a new US President and a real American may take over like Mark Rubio (whose parents were born in Cuba) or Ted Cruz (whose father was born in Cuba or barring any birther challenges as Ted himself was born in Canada) or even George P. Bush (son of JEB whose Mother was born in Mexico)

Hillary Clinton is the odds-on favorite already.

Here we go...

In previous articles of a similar nature I have commented on the obscenity of paedophilia and then been attacked for those comments by the apparent defenders of the practice.

Without even reading the posts in question I'm going to go out on a limb and call bull...t on that one.

Much as it pains me to say it, but Mudcrab is quite correct about some posters supporting pedophellia. Comments like 'she was only just below the age of consent' or 'the age of consent here is higher than elsewhere' rather set the tone.

This person, if guilty, deserves a life sentence. However it's about time chemical castration was accepted as an appropriate punishment as well as jail.

Arguing that sex with a girl near the age of consent (ie mid to late teens) is OK or not so bad may be a lot of things but it's not even close to support of pedophilia.

Look it up: pedophilia doesn't mean what you apparently think it does. The simply fact is that Ephebophilia is not even classed as a disorder so while there are a lot of very negative things one might reasonably say about a man whose primary or exclusive sexual interest in mid-to-late teens, it is in every sense except (arguably) legal, it is much less egregious than having a sexual interest in a pre-pubescent child and the latter is FAR more aberrant. And a man who has sex with, say, a 16 year old is not necessarily even an Ephebophile let alone a pedophile.

Have I just defended or supported pedophilia?

I've watched Obama's remarks and read it (link below). I'd like to say that it's not bad at all. The headlines with "Trayvon Martin could have been me" does it a disservice. It's a 17 minute number and trying to sum it up in those 6 words is misleading.

I think both sides of this debate should listen & watch the whole thing. He makes a lot of good points and observations.

Maybe there could be a thread dedicated to his remarks where members can discuss the points he brought up? Oh, wait, never mind.

- http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/19/obama_trayvon_martin_could_have_been_me_35_years_ago.html

Wow. At last, the all too rare attempt at objectivity.

And a great point very well made, in the closing.

Good post.

Amazing, but not surprising responses posted here.

A Thai man...allegedly...note ...hasn't been to court yet ......is hung , drawn and quartered.

A similar story where a farang is concerned has everyone demanding natural justice...the mother probably sold the child for sex etc etc ad nauseum, ....don't call him a paedophile as he hasn't been to court blah blah blah......

Sometimes seems as though certain forum members lean towards paedophilia, or at least support those thus inclined.

Wow.

In previous articles of a similar nature I have commented on the obscenity of paedophilia and then been attacked for those comments by the apparent defenders of the practice.

Without even reading the posts in question I'm going to go out on a limb and call bull...t on that one.

Even though I can't possibly fathom what this poor little girl went through, I hope and pray for her to be able to live a normal and happy life after this ordeal.

The only good I get out of this story is that it appears (at least to me) that today more and more Thai women won't buckle under the pressure of domestic violence and bring husbands to justice, whereas this would seldomly happen some 20 years ago.

I am tempted to write here though that I can't understand how, as a mother, she was unable to "read the signs" and become suspicious much earlier within those eight years, but perhaps this is an unfair thing to say...

In some circumstances, I would find a mother like that as disgusting as the pedophile - or even more so.

How many here look at Internet porn? I'd guess 95 percent. The other 5 are liars.

What's the difference in what that fella did. Not saying its right mind.

Let's see...

Women and men in Internet porn are consenting participants.

1) They are paid for it (or volunteer).

2) They sign release forms.

3) They are not trying to go about their daily lives and have their privacy invaded in an ugly way.

* There may he exceptions to this but I'd wager the vast majority of the porn most people view meets these criteria and that when they don't viewers are generally unaware and are not knowingly complicit in the violation.

You think this is the same as viewing porn on the Internet. You imply that it may be unethical. Ergo you think viewing porn may be unethical as well...so what you are saying is that this guy and porn viewers are equally fugged up?

I would put internet porn viewers as much worse on the 'fugged up' scale of things.

Of course you would.

How many here look at Internet porn? I'd guess 95 percent. The other 5 are liars.

What's the difference in what that fella did. Not saying its right mind.

Let's see...

Women and men in Internet porn are consenting participants.

1) They are paid for it (or volunteer).

2) They sign release forms.

3) They are not trying to go about their daily lives and have their privacy invaded in an ugly way.

* There may he exceptions to this but I'd wager the vast majority of the porn most people view meets these criteria and that when they don't viewers are generally unaware and are not knowingly complicit in the violation.

You think this is the same as viewing porn on the Internet. You imply that it may be unethical. Ergo you think viewing porn may be unethical as well...so what you are saying is that this guy and porn viewers are equally fugged up?

So, the Justice Department is going to investigate this case further, to find something, anything, that they could use to convict Zimmerman after a jury found him "not guilty"? I would be nice if they would put this much effort into the many real scandals going on such as the IRS targeting scandal. The American people should be flooding the streets in protest. The gov't gets caught red-handed in all these scandals and heads should roll, but they successfully distract the people by going after Zimmerman? We Americans have many serious issues to be concerned with. It is embarrassing that we - as a nation - can get distracted by such tripe. There was a trial, there was a verdict. Move on. Move on to the real problems facing the nation.

That's naive. This trial has become a national concern and opened up wounds about racial tensions. I wouldn't want the justice department to make a case if they don't have one, but there is nothing wrong with a fresh investigation. It is a SEPARATE matter from the Florida trial. Zimmerman will likely face other trials, such as a civil case, and all of those if they happen will based on the law.

The wounds were opened from the outset due to the presidents original ill advised comments that Trayvon Martin could have been his son, all before charges were even brought I might add. Had it not been for the ensuing media s#$t storm the case might have become just another statistic, one of thousands, with no reinforcing of divisions by announcing them, regardless of whether the facts warranted it.

My memory is fairly clear on this: Pres. Obama made his comment when it was already a hot issue - hence the statement. National news was already reporting on it and the case had been gathering steam for a month by then; rightly or wrongly, race is the reason. It's ridiculous to claim that race became an issue because of the POTUS.

How could Mr. Martin be like Mr. Obama? Mr. Obama's mother was white and he grew up in relative comfort and opportunity.

The night Mr. Martin died, I believe six other youn black men were murdered- by other blacks. Where is the outrage about that?

Perhaps Mr. Obama should also address the issue of black on black violence...

And another one making the same tired fallacious "point".

You are effectively saying, 'why aren't people decrying the role race played in a killing in instances where there's obviously no racial component?'

Work it out.

So Helen Thomas died today......I was just reading her Wiki page, here's just about the first quote.

"We were never hyphenated as Arab-Americans. We were American, and I have always rejected the hyphen and I believe all assimilated immigrants should not be designated ethnically. Or separated, of course, by race, or creed either. These are trends that ever try to divide us as a people."

Awesome, no need for anti discrimination laws anymore because we are all Americans and Americans is not a protected classification in America. Oh wait, Bama still refers to people by race so we need him to stop with dividing people by race. It's unhealthy.

Man, you've really become obsessive about the president.

How could someone like yourself, not a stupid man, suggest something so moronic as the president somehow being the only one to observe racial difference - or even that he is a significant reason why such differences are commonly observed?

Refer to the witness of the girl on the phone with Trayvon before he was murdered. He felt harassed and chased by Zimmerman. He had no idea who Zimmerman was. That's the evidence.

I see there are mass protests now to bring Zimmerman up on federal civil rights charges. I see no problem in a complete investigation to see if the charges are legally justified and also reasonably winnable. That's a fair demand. But it's not a fair demand to insist on the charges if they don't have the evidence.

The best bet against Zimmerman was already blown and that was the manslaughter charge. They clearly overcharged from the start.

Neither did Zimmerman knew who Trayvon was.

Right. But Zimmerman was carrying a gun and the dead boy wasn't. Turns out Zimmerman was the one out looking for trouble that night, not the murder victim.

The president's remarks:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/politics/obama-tryavon-martin-could-have-been-me-35-years-ago/2013/07/19/1bd5fa26-f09b-11e2-9008-61e94a7ea20d_video.html

The fact that Zimmerman was carrying a gun has nothing to do with this, as it was a coincidence that he was licensed to carry a gun whare the victim wasn't.

Errr...the fact that one party in a confrontation was carrying a gun has nothing to do with a subsequent shooting?

It wasn't a "coincidence" that Zimmerman was licensed. It didn't happen to him randomly, he made it happen (as is his right) and he chose to carry it when he went out to follow the young man. Legal? Yes. Reasonable? Some would say so. Coincidental? Of course not.

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Obama says Trayvon Martin could have been him 35 years ago? I sorely wish it had been.

I am reading that as a wish that our U.S. president had been murdered 35 years ago. Please confirm. If so, that's about an extreme as expression of Obama Derangement Syndrome as you're likely to find.

Fortunately the Secret Service, were it to read the comment at this forum, likely would not consider the statement to be a threat worthy of pursuit, but a threat nonetheless.

The post is best deleted as we don't know whether the US Embassy monitors these kinds of websites to identify such remarks, what with NSA, FBI at the embassy etc.

There was more than one such comment, just perhaps slightly more veiled.

The only change is the name of the child that was murdered in the 50's it was 14 year old "Emmett Till".

Today it is i7 year old Trayvon Martin.

Cheers:

I can't stomach that though I thought I'd see it sooner or later.

The murder of Emmett Till is something that struck a deep chord within me upon reading of it as a boy. So much so that I have over the last nearly 40 years done as much study of it as I could and even written on it fairly extensively. I want to say unequivocally that the comparison is absurd, inane and offensive.

I can guarantee you if a black man had shot Trayvon neither the media nor obama would give a hoot.

Wow, that's original.

1) The OBVIOUS issue here is that some believe race was a factor in the killing and in the acquittal.

2) If many people felt a black murderer had gotten away with an unjustified killing (as many do in this instance), there would be outrage. That it would likely be nowhere as big a deal if the victim were black, is a sad fact of US society.

I've given the thread a few moments thought now.

I'm hoping this thread might show some understanding and empathy for Trayvon and for his family, friends - and to include the larger picture of young black males in the United States whose legacy is 200 years of slavery and another hundred years of Jim Crow laws. Destroyed families from their outset.

However, I see my worst fears of this thread topic are already being realized. The other side is in fact the other side, i.e., it hasn't any feeling for a kid who got very nervous about some little white sh*t following him in silence with eyeballs fixed on him.

The other side is devoid of human feeling, sympathy, caring for the black kid, the deceased. Can't put themselves in the other fellow's shoes and haven't the slightest interest in trying to do so. To them Martin is bad, Zimmerman is good. White is right and if you're black get to the back.

The SOS is polluting this thread too.

Empathy for a hood that attacked a man that just happened to be carrying a weapon to defend himself? That is the funniest thing I have read all day. Thanks for that.

I'll stop now and I can tell this thread will digress quickly and I want to stay out of the ban zone. One cannot debate with a person that has a 180 degree diametrically opposite view of reality without becoming incensed with the stupidity of the premise for the argument. Much like wrestling with pigs. You both get dirty but the pig likes it.

Zimmerman "just happened to be carrying a weapon"...

Classic.