KhunHeineken

You are 3rd Place on the posters list for this thread. You have posted 136 posts on this thread. Enjoy your holiday, I'm sure the rest of us will enjoy your holiday from the thread as well.

The issue is now at a point that we are either waiting for another government announcement, or, the 1st January 2025 to arrive. Opinions, views, speculation, predictions, facts, quotes, links, laws, youtube etc etc have all been posted. It's now in a holding a pattern. Time will tell.

Thanks. I enjoy reading all posts, from everyone. I am always happy to agree to disagree, but when some get nasty, I'm also happy to engage. As I said, I have never reported a post, ever, and never will, and some members take advantage of that admission. Free speech is important. Why shut it down, just because it differs from one's point of view? Websites like this should be viewed as collaboration, rather than "I'm right and you are wrong" which defeats the purpose, and causes conflict. Let's all keep posting with our experience, knowledge, opinions etc, and continue to discuss, rather than taking things personally. Thailand is an unstable country. Anything can happen at any time, even a military coup. The way it is today may not be the way it is tomorrow here. What surprises me is when there is any change, it's shoot the messenger, call it scaremongering, report the post and get it deleted, rather than consider the change may actually be happening, and discuss it and deal with it. I remember one member arguing that cannabis would NEVER be legalized in Thailand, even after it was legalized. Go figure.

Ohhhh, but everyone laughed, and those that didn't laugh reported my post as scaremongering. Now, you have a Mod posting the very question can / will an expat's tax liability be attached to their visa / extension / passport. What a different a few months make. Correct. So why was it viewed as scaremongering, or humorous? I hear you, but many are suggesting it's Rocket Science for Thailand, despite the fact Thailand has their retirement visa / extension / drivers license / TM 30, Certificate of Residence etc etc well oiled for foreigners. What's one more piece of paper needed, at a cost, of course? No, surely it can't be. Thailand would never do such a thing. All the expats would leave. Right? The psychology behind many posts is interesting. Fear of change comes through in many posts, but it's inevitable. We all love our mobile phones, but it's unthinkable that government data bases with millions of more computing power could ever match up immigration and taxation data bases. That's just not possible, right? As I have said, many are asking, "Why would they do it" when they should be asking "why wouldn't they do it?" Answer is, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.

Great question. I wished I asked it myself. But Will27 posted the question has been answered, twice. What is one to believe? That's a given, of course. There can be no portability without a pension, right? Before, or after, their birthday, thus, their application date? You do not mention an arrival date back to Australia BEFORE their birthday and application date. We know this. We know this also. I don't want to twist / challenge / disagree with anything. I want to know if someone has been outside of Australia for say 20 years, how many years / months do they have to return to Australia BEFORE their qualifying birthday for the pension, so they can fly straight out with portability. I really can't make the question more simple. Do you know the answer? Yes, or no? It's important because we have a member suggesting you just have to be inside Australia at the time of applying, which I found surprising.

I'll make it simple for you. Say one goes back to Australia 6 months before their birthday and apply on the day, do they have to stay 18 months after they are granted the pension, or still stall 2 years afterward for portability? I can give many other scenarios buy months, but do YOU see the point I am trying to make? Sure, return just over 2 years before your birthday and application date, apply, granted, and fly out with portability. I get that, but that's not the question I am asking, is it?

I think it was so big, it was deemed a suicide.

Proves my point then, doesn't it? Exactly, and well said, yet there are sooooooooo many that seem to think all of this will just disappear, like magic. Now, who was it that suggested some time ago we MAY see a TRD desk at boarders one day, in the same way we see a overstay desks? Oh, yeah, that's right, it was me, and everyone ridiculed me for posting it, and reported it as scaremongering, and had the posts deleted. Of course, no mention that's it's been happening for decades for overstay fines, but it could NEVER happen for tax collection purposes, could it?

Still does. Keep reading. I post good content.

Many Aussie members in the Australia Forum still refuse to accept Australia has proposed changes to move from 90 year old tax residency laws, based around where one is "domiciled" to a time based and physical presence model, just like good old 3rd World Thailand, with its 180 days The reasons for many of them believing it not happening were hilarious. However, it's the psychology behind it that is interesting. People fear change, and it can be seen in their posts by shooting the messenger, and reporting posts as "scaremongering." Even more hilarious were the reasons many put forward why they would still remain a tax resident of Australia, in order to to avail themselves of the tax free threshold, with no regard to the proposed changes to legislation at all. One member suggested he still had a current Medicare Card, so was still a tax resident of Australia. It makes you think who really is "delusional." Then, along comes Thailand's announcement of their 180 days tax residency for foreigners, but NO WAY would Australia ever do such a thing to non resident Australians. There's probably some Aussies that believe their Thal missus, who maybe outside of Thailand for for more than 180 days, is still a tax resident of Thailand.

I have a similar plan. It's 179 days in Thailand, about a week for the Singapore F1, the rest in Vietnam. However, the days of becoming a tax resident of no where are coming to an end. The source countries are all getting on board with it. Quoting all the BS Thai laws in all these threads like "gifting" and "savings" and "assessable income" and "inheritance" blah blah blah etc etc etc - they are not going to give a sh*it about it here because of a few reasons. 1) They don't care. 2) They want the money. 3) They haven't got the resources to check everyone's documents. 4) They hold all the power. 5) You have no right to live here, so pay or no visa. The list goes on, but basically, you will pay what they tell you to pay, or leave for 6 months of the year. Easy for me, and sounds easy for you, but maybe not so easy for many. What MAY become interesting is how Thai tax authorities deal with an arrears tax debt. I remember some time ago posting western options that were available to Thailand, and the post being deleted for scaremongering. However, a tax policy without enforcement and punishment is no tax policy at all, so they must have something up their sleeve. I'm guessing it's just deportation and blacklisting, not gaol. Since when have you known Thai governments to be sympathetic to foreigners living in Thailand? Let's all hope it's a laughable 1000 baht "fee" we have to pay for a document come extension time.

You haven't answered the question. Example: Say one's pension age is 67. They have been outside of Australia since their mid to late 40's, for whatever reason. How long before the day they turn 67 should they return to Australia to guarantee portability on the day they apply, and receive, the aged pension?

Heath Ledger comes to mind, but there's been a few over the years.

Can you post a link to your country's DTA. I would be interested to have a quick read of the articles pertaining to income and pensions, and compare them to the Australia DTA. Perhaps some members for your home country haven't even read their DTA with Thailand as yet.

I agree. There are already country specific forums. This tax forum pulls in information, examples, links, opinions etc from all nationalities. If no interest, a quick scroll and move on. What's the problem?

I didn't report your personal attack directed to me. In fact, I have never reported anyone, for anything. Free speech and all. Some members have taken advantage of that, but no problem for me. The cricket was canceled the other night so I decided to catch up with some posts. There were some interesting posts and I wanted to reply. So what? I have proven you are the most prolific poster in these tax threads. You are the leading poster in the thread in which you personally attacked me, and you are currently sitting in 3rd Place with 130 posts on this thread, and here you are saying I had too many posts on one page for your liking. Well boo hoo. We already have USA, UK and Australia forums. This forum is for all nationalities. Should a few posts get a roll on for any particular nationality, so what? Scroll a little. Is that so difficult? I don't complain when there's a page of Americans discussing the IRS, or Brit's discussing HMRC. You are trying to make it too specific to the point it restricts an open discussion on the forum. Why?

if the member is Australian, he can watch the youtube video I have posted with some input from a Chartered Accountant in Australia. It's the youtube video that deals with Article 18 and Article 19 in the Australia / Thailand DTA. It's the youtube video that disagreed with your "Forget about Article 19" post in the Australia Forum, yet, you change forums, and post under Article 19 you have to pay tax on this forum. If the member watches the youtube video, they will see you can not "Forget about Article 19."

The facts are TIT. Apply again, at a different office, with a different staff member, at a different time, and you probably will be issued a TIN. So who is right and who is wrong? The office that didn't issue the TIN, or the office that did issue the TIN? This is typical of your posting style. You read ONE post from ONE member and declare it as FACT and nationwide all across Thailand. You don't get it because you don't want to consider it because it's disrupts your financial affairs. Get used to it. The tax net is being cast wder and tigher across the world. What about "interest" earned from bank accounts? They are investments, are they not? We all earn some interest here, no matter how big or small. Add renting out a property as well. Is any of this "work" in Thailand?" No, but income is being generated in Thailand, is it not? Sure, go in December and the result may be different. Go after the 1st January 2025 at extension time and the result may be different. TIT. It's too early to declare a TIN is not needed, and let's just say it is not needed at this point, what guarantee can you give a TIN will not be needed in the near future. Go on the record. We know the answer, it's ZERO guarantee. They change like the wind here, but you live in the moment. You really need to be more dynamic in your thinking in relation to Thai governance. Jeez, for all we know, there could be another coup next week. Why is it "HUGE?" Many countries are getting onboard. Once again, more wishful thinking from you overriding the reality. Do you deny Australia is updating and expanding its DTA? I posted the link for you, more than once. Go on the record. Are they, or not? As for my username, I think "Ego" in your username is quite humorous. This tax seems to be a blow to your financial "Ego" thus, you are constantly looking for why and how it can not happen, even while it's actually happening.

The US took the position to raise interest rates big, and raise them quickly. Harsh, but short term pain. This is why they are now in a position to lower their rate. Australia couldn't do this, otherwise the Australian Ponzi housing market scheme would have collapsed. Australia had to raise rates smaller, and slower, so it was .25%, then .25%, then .25% etc. The rates were behind the inflation curve. The RBA needed to give people time to refinance, get a second job, apply for a bigger credit card, sell a car etc etc, or risk foreclosures and homelessness of epic proportions across the country. Australia is still around 3.8% inflation. It's above the 2% to 3% rate acceptable to the RBA. The RBA only has interest rates as a trigger to pull. The government could have done many things to help reign inflation in when it was on the boil, but they were too spineless. Instead, they kept the sole responsibility with the RBA to use the blunt hammer of interest rates which does not spread the pain evenly across all Australians. This also allowed them to shift blame. Weak governance when leadership was needed.

Spare a thought for those Australian actors that took their own lives as well. RIP.

Not long now. http://australiandebtclock.com.au A lot of debt to pay for a country with only 27 million people.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/other-industries/popular-pub-collapses-owing-12m/news-story/31c36b1eec1a6ff0f0c365e9b98a2443 "A popular pub that said it would need to charge $20 for a beer to survive has collapsed owing $1.2 million, a report from liquidators has revealed." Just yesterday. https://www.drinkstrade.com.au/public-hospitality-experiences-biggest-single-collapse-to-date-as-5-venues-enter-receivership "Public Hospitality experiences biggest single collapse to date as 5 venues enter receivership.:

Maybe you can claim it under overseas study and self education. A trip to The Philippines to learn how to clean from Filipinos.

You use the word "property." I have multiple properties, and other investments. The properties are all in the hands of real estate property managers and on the books, I pay tax on the rental income. The "property" in which a family member is residing has everything in my name. It's my "domicile." I am just on a long holiday. I know many Aussies still maintaining a "domicile" in Australia to avoid paying non resident tax. Some vacant, some with a family member or friend. It's been going on for decades. Why do you think the Australian government wants to like Thailand, 183 inside = resident. 183 outside = non resident. It gets people like me, but also gets pensioners. It's a tax we should have all been paying, but the government can't disprove "intention." or otherwise, to return to Australia. With the 183 days, they don't have to. That's why I posted about it, so long ago.

Where can you hide from world wide taxation? They keep casting a bigger and tighter net. I can only speak for the Australian DTA, and there is no exemption for the aged pension in it. I have posted Article 18 and Article 19 that sets this out, as well as a youtube clip with comments from an Australian Chartered Accountant. The Australian pension is over the threshold. In the Australia Forum it's been discussed an Aussie pensioner will have around a 20,000 baht tax liability. Whilst 20,000 baht isn't a lot, a little out of a little can be a lot for some pensioners. What will you get for paying the tax, nothing, more than you get now, which is ZERO.