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That approach may depend on how much money you could lose in tax. If you stand to lose a considerable amount of money, the deadline is the 27th June 2024 for the 2024 calendar year, otherwise, you get caught in the Thai tax residency net. Everyone has different circumstances.

I'm certainly NOT stating that immigration will be calculating and collecting these tax/s. What I am stating is one MAY have to produce a TRD document at extension time to immigration BEFORE an extension is issued. This makes foreigners have to approach the TRD, so no chasing foreigners involved, where, in my opinion, "something" will have to be paid, legit, or otherwise, or both, for their document. In order to get their document, one may have to produce a bank document showing total deposits for a calendar year, just in the same way one must produce a bank document for their 800k. Who knows what the Thai government is going to do, but I'm not one of the members that believes it will be all too hard and the Thai government will forget about it. There's just too much easy money involved, both legit, and black money. I have given the Certificate of Residence example of how it MAY work for most, and for high net worth individuals, the TRD will apply the letter of the law to tax some serious money.

Rather than personally attack me, how about post some things that you say are a good investment in Thailand, and roughly what return/s are involved?

Can you give some examples of the industries? When you say "make money" perhaps you can qualify and also quantify. How much money down for how much return?

Has said condo in Pattaya been sold? There are thousands of properties for sale in Pattaya. There's an oversupply of property. What about all the bar closures, before and since covid? If bars are so profitable, why so many closures? Are you suggesting buying a condo in Pattaya is a good investment? Are you suggesting buying a bar in Pattaya is a good investment?

If your Thai hog operation was successful, why did you stop it? Why didn't you expand it?

I've made very little investment in Thailand. Motorcycle and decent home entertainment center is about it. I use an agent for the extension because I won't even put 800k into Thailand. Many move their life savings to Thailand, simply because they live in Thailand. Unwise, in my opinion. Thailand represents a risky investment for foreigners. Therefore, I don't classify Thailand as a place one should use for diversification. Very wise. If you wouldn't move your life savings to Thailand, why would you move any money for ANY type of investment? Serious question. Both your life savings and a lesser amount would be high risk, or not worth it. Then, the same question backwards, if you have the confidence to move some money to Thailand to invest, why not move your life savings? I have addressed the 800k. I haven't even moved that to Thailand. Why would I, when the 800k makes more money for me invested in my home country than what the "agent" costs me for the extension, and way more than a Thai bank? You have asked what investments are "bad ideas?" Can you name a few "good idea" investments? Some guys made money in the 80's from property here, but that's decades ago.

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I can see you have been on the 9am Leo yet again. Your post is incoherent. Do you have any content to add to the topic "Australian Aged Pension?"

I'll post this here. Apologies if it has been asked before. MODS: feel free to edit, but I don't think it's illegal. What would happen if you set up a joint bank account with someone who only visits Thailand once or twice a year for holidays, thus a non resident of Thailand for tax purposes, and only that person deposited money (remitted funds) into that bank account, and the tax resident in Thailand withdrew it and spent it? Basically, the non resident is remitting, but the resident is spending. Yes, I know an "agent" will probably have to be involved to open the account. Not difficult to see where I am going with this.

Things can change very quickly here. One day everything is fine, the next day you have a problem. As you alluded to, "the next day" is usually after you have put money into Thailand.

"Influential" Thai's will probably be able to negotiate their tax bills. I can't see the same luxury being extended to foreigners.

They want more.

How do you think it will happen, with a particular focus on possible compliance / enforcement, or do you think it will be repealed and just go away? I've put forward some ideas how I think the Thai government MAY try to get this to work, efficiently, or otherwise. Happy to listen to others about what they think will happen.

Once again, I am speaking in general, you are speaking about your personal circumstances. I have posted my plan in a subsequent post. I am merely stating, not everyone is in your position. We all have different circumstances. Of course, we all must do what's financially best for ourselves, or, what we can afford. These tax/s may end up making the decision for many expats for them.

Ok, so some people who stand to lose a considerable amount of money should be "paranoid" and should consider buying a "ticket." Right?

I'm not paranoid. Anything is possible here. Thailand is not a stable country. I haven't bought my ticket yet. I have said in other forums / threads over the years that I rent here, I'm single, I only transfer living expenses each month, I pay an agent for extensions because I don't even want to put 800k into Thailand. I have nothing I couldn't sell at a fire sale (eg. motorbike, home entertainment center) or throw away, donate, or just leave behind, or put in storage, and head straight to the airport, should I ever need or have to. My losses would be minimal. This is by design. I rent a decent condo, and have a good lifestyle here, so my remitted funds means I will be paying some tax. My plan is to stay and see how this all unfolds, not only for myself, but everyone else, early 2025. Thailand can, and probably will get me in 2025, just how, and for much much, I will hang around and see. If the way they implement the system sees me have to pay an amount of tax i am not happy to pay, then my Plan B is 6 months in Vietnam each year. Thailand will only get me once. I understand many expats do not have the freedoms I have, but once again, it is by design. In my opinion, all of this will not go away. Too much money involved. Just how it effects individuals, and whether or not they can afford an annual tax bill and can remain living in Thailand, or if heir tax bill will impact their lifestyle, is up to the individual to self asses. It may be the case that Thailand no longer offers a good value for money lifestyle for many, due to these tax/s.

It would depend on an individual's personal financial circumstances. Stand to lose a little, sit back and laugh at the mess. Stand to lose a considerable amount of money, then one is faced with a more serious decision. Stay, or go, for the year 2024, and possibly only 179 days inside Thailand a calendar year going forward. Everyone has different circumstances.

I see your point. The point I am making is, for those who stand to lose a lot of money, in order to pay no tax at all, and be able to observe how it unfolds, with no exposure to either tax, they should consider vacating Thailand before the 27th June 2024. Basically, spend less than 180 days in Thailand in 2024 and they can't touch you.

It's well documented how these companies manufacture "loss." Massive loans to shell companies in low tax jurisdictions, that are also owned / controlled by themselves. The whole point is, they are wealthy individuals that pay no personal tax, and I have provided some links for this. I am not suggesting anything illegal, just that some of the world's wealthiest people pay little to no personal tax. Happy to read some links showing the contrary.

Well, can you provide some links showing the world's wealthiest actually do pay their fair share? That's personal tax, not company tax.

Very sarcastic, but I appreciate your humor. Those with considerable money to lose, probably should vacate Thailand before the 27th June 2024, in the same way high net worth individuals seek out the cheapest tax jurisdiction for their money, and sometimes for them personally. Eg. Monaco. As for hiring extra staff, it will be more like they contract some IT guys in, or re-task their current IT section to have the data bases in the departments communicate with each other. The immigration data base can be tweaked to calculate the amount of days inside Thailand each calendar year. This would be based on your passport / face / fingerprints entering / exiting Thailand. Just some coding for some geeks. No big deal. Also, probably ramp up their online tax reporting portal for different languages, higher bandwidth, uploading documents etc to cater for foreigners. Yes, like 90 day reporting, it will crash, throw you out, can't register yourself, can't sign in etc etc. They will probably extend from 8th April 2025 the cut off time to cater for foreigners, but ultimately, because they will be turning a baht out of foreigners, they will get something in place. In my opinion, there will be chaos, but after announcement after announcement, I just can't see all of this going away. It tells me they are working on it. Too much easy money involved, either legit, or through "agents." Maybe the best to hope for is the policy is postponed until 1st January 2025.

Just posted on another thread, those who stand to POSSIBLY lose a considerable amount of money should consider leaving before the 27th June, and return on the 1st January. They can then sit back, safe from taxation, and observe how it all unfolds, without being exposed. Depending on what happens early 2025, they can then decide how many days they will stay in Thailand in 2025.

From the first link. "In 2007, Jeff Bezos, then a multibillionaire and now the world’s richest man, did not pay a penny in federal income taxes. He achieved the feat again in 2011." Bezos did it, twice. "Did not pay a penny" is tax, twice. Do you see a pattern emerging?