MAJIC

Majic,

Your wife was in the UK with a settlement visa which allowed her to work; so she was entitled to an NI number.

So, what's your point?

That's correct!

What's my point ? I should have thought it obvious,i.e it's not too hard to get a NI Card to make obtaining a job a bit easier,

and those that do are complying with our laws,and it's not necessary to obtain a NI Number fraudulently ! and if they did,it's questionable if they should be in the UK in the first place!

From my experience the Government are not adverse to issuing NI cards,it's to their advantage to get people out to work and paying Taxes ! Unless it's an illegal "cash in hand job" most companies will put you on emergency tax,to begin with, which is a very high rate of tax !

DWP will only issue a NI number to someone who is entitled to it.

Majic,

You seem to be under the impression that an EEA national can waltz into the UK and immediately start claiming benefits.

They can't.

For starters, they can claim nothing until they have lived in the UK exercising a treaty right for at least three months.

Then, to receive any means tested benefit they have to satisfy the habitual residence test.

They can, of course, receive any contribution based benefits for which they have paid the required NICs.

The same rules apply to British citizens living in other EEA states. They have the same, conditional, rights to state benefits as EEA nationals do in the UK; and many do claim those benefits.

Seems like you are saying that after 3 months the EEA National is entitled to the following, offer they wouldn't refuse !

The habitual residence test applies to claims for the following benefits:

• Income Support
• Income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance
• Income-related Employment and Support Allowance
• Pension Credit
• Housing Benefit
• Council Tax Reduction
• Universal Credit

Seems like pretty good deal to me,and does it include Benefits back dated to the date of first applying???

The habitual residence test is not a formality; it does not mean an EEA national can immediately start claiming any of those benefits as soon as they have lived here for three months. See The habitual residence test - how a decision is made

As with all claims, if someone is eligible payments will begin from the day they are first claimed or the day the claimant became eligible; whichever is the later.

"DWP will only issue a NI number to someone who is entitled to it."

My wife at the time was on a settlement visa,and got her NI Card within 4 months of being in the UK,that did not entitle her to anything other than being able to work!

HRT Rules are pretty generous,and can actually be 1 to 3 months depending on individual cases,and different websites.

kids will be kids .... they got a laugh out of it ... thats all !!

But they made sure there was 3 of them!

So So Sad....

Poor Guy....

+ 1

I hope it is the last time hopefully the Germans voted a former communist into power. She is destroying the future of the children of Germany and she hasn't even got any kids.

It makes one wonder what her real Agenda is ? because it certainly does not bode well for Germany and Europe !

Merkel's feeble attempt to shut the door after the horse has bolted !

Majic,

You seem to be under the impression that an EEA national can waltz into the UK and immediately start claiming benefits.

They can't.

For starters, they can claim nothing until they have lived in the UK exercising a treaty right for at least three months.

Then, to receive any means tested benefit they have to satisfy the habitual residence test.

They can, of course, receive any contribution based benefits for which they have paid the required NICs.

The same rules apply to British citizens living in other EEA states. They have the same, conditional, rights to state benefits as EEA nationals do in the UK; and many do claim those benefits.

Seems like you are saying that after 3 months the EEA National is entitled to the following, offer they wouldn't refuse !

The habitual residence test applies to claims for the following benefits:

• Income Support
• Income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance
• Income-related Employment and Support Allowance
• Pension Credit
• Housing Benefit
• Council Tax Reduction
• Universal Credit

Seems like pretty good deal to me,and does it include Benefits back dated to the date of first applying???

From my experience the Government are not adverse to issuing NI cards,it's to their advantage to get people out to work and paying Taxes ! Unless it's an illegal "cash in hand job" most companies will put you on emergency tax,to begin with, which is a very high rate of tax !

Probably not feasible for you,you can't see beyond skin colour,unless you are a Troll which is even worse! and yes you are!

More than the subtle bigotry so commonly tolerated on Thaivisa here we have overt racism. The vast majority of public benefits are sucked up by the majority. Why bigots never point to Stoke-on-Trent or Scunthorpe to blame White British for these paradises? Of course not.

Many of us have already mentioned ( post 131)that the benefits scandal is not restricted to immigrants. We all know that the white natives are the greater recipient of welfare benefits, if only because there are more of them. What I cannot understand is why the UK is allowing more people with no connection into the UK, who are basically unemployable, yet are placing restrictions on British citizens, with a foreign spouse,from returning to their home country unless they can prove their spouse will not be a drain on the tax payer.

It's a small gesture to put in the the spouses Passport "No Recourse to Public funds" when across the channel there is literally millions who can walk in without being hindered too much! because our Benefit system pay out more than EU Benefits. That's why Cameron and Teresa May can't control Immigration,Their target for reducing immigration for the last year of figures was exceeded by around 200,000 of their forecast of only 10,000.

I believe British Citizens should have the right of having their family with them,before any other considerations of foreign nationals who have never paid a penny into our Countries system !

RIP...... The music will live on !

Do we really need to eat Tigers to titilate our taste buds! and especially endangered species, some Restaurants (not only in Thailand) are advertising menus of, Ostrich,Zebra, Wildebeast, Crocodile, Kangaroo, Turtle, Camel, LLama, and many more, a disgusting trade, and I hope they all go Bankrupt ! and worse !

According to the Guardian Survey,there is a vast difference in the figures !

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/oct/03/gay-britain-what-do-statistics-say

I wouldn't touch it with yours! Someone once gave me a bottle. Now don't get me wrong --- I'm quite partial to the odd dram, but IMHO this "whisky" is putrid! It is distilled on the Isle of Skye and, presumably something to do with the peat, tastes like TCP. For those who have never heard of TCP, it is a local (able to be taken orally) anticeptic/anaesthetic. It is very good for the treatment of ailments such as mouth ulcers and sore gums/throats, best used as a gargle. I would be the first to sing its praises as a medical treatment, BUT, it tastes vile, and the taste/smell lingers long after one has used it.

From your description of taste, you'd best keep away from Laphroaig too!

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And 100 Pipers !

jacky54,

So your mate married an illegal immigrant who used identity fraud to get a NI number, job, council flat etc. and, as you say, illegally abuse the system

Did he assist her in this illegal activity?

Were aware of it and if so why did you not report it to the relevant authority?

Even if any of it is true, you are talking about illegal activities, not legal loopholes.

Why do people commit fraud to obtain a NI number? it's issued free on application,in a matter of weeks, and perfectly legal too.Are they illegal immigrants ?

Vermont State motto: Freedom and Unity.

The motto is about personal freedom and independence of the individual citizen in balance with the common good of the larger community.

Trump will not win Vermont in the GOP primaries or POTUS election.

It's worse than that,Trump is unlikely to win the Presidentcy ! every time he opens his mouth he makes some more enemies !

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Was pick pocketed in Jomtien baht-bus recently. The usual gang of about six grim looking young Thais that overwhelmed the vehicle. They got my phone out of one pocket and 500 Baht out of the other.

Got a new phone - went to AIS to get new Sim card - asked if I could get my old number back. Said yes, if you get a police report.

Went to police station, found very helpful Foreign Police Volunteer. He asked "what happened to your phone?" Said, pickpocket. He said "you mean your phone was stolen?" Said yes - he said "well that's a problem". He said if I report your stolen phone it will launch an investigation and they're backed up for months so you won't get your police report for a very long time.

He said "why don't you say you lost your Sim card?" I said ok, I lost my Sim card. He said "how'd you lose it?" Said, I don't know. He said "was it in your pocket?" I said yes, it was in the phone. He said "well that's a problem", you should say you lost your Simm card, not your phone or it will launch an investigation on a lost phone. I said, ok then, I just lost the Sim card. He said "was it in your pocket?" - said yes. He said "which pocket?" I said, I guess it was in my shirt pocket. He said "that's good" "So, it must have fallen out of your shirt pocket?" - said yes, I guess so.

He said "good, I'll be able to get your police report in a few minutes"

So, if you're pick pocketed and you don't want any hassles getting a police report, just say your Sim card fell out of your shirt pocket . . .

I can verify it's possible to get your sim card phone number back, (on a new sim)and in my case, after making the Police Report,I also got my calling credit refunded ! from AIS ! and it didn't cost me anything .

The murder rate by gunshot is far lower than in Thailand.

Can you list some sources because I cannot find them.

This link may give you some info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

I've not had 1 problem in 8 years.... But then I've not been to Pattaya in 8 years !!!

Gawd! that Pasty looks good! now what was you saying?

I've never had a problem whilst buying a pasty either

When I get back to PZ i'm going to murder one, while looking out at St Michaels Mount.But definately not Gingsters, Warrens is pretty good though!

I've not had 1 problem in 8 years.... But then I've not been to Pattaya in 8 years !!!

Gawd! that Pasty looks good! now what was you saying?

The Age article is a masterpiece of nauseating "progressive" political correctness.

They, like the ABC and BBC, cannot bring themselves to use the word 'Muslim' anywhere in the report.

The best they can do is admit that many of the men involved were "recent arrivals" and that many of them "come from cultures that some critics argue lack respect for women."

Some critics?

And the best that vapid turncoat Merkel can do is to say that "she feared that the incidents showed contempt for women."

Gosh, really?

As "some critics" have pointed out, this invasion is not turning out well and it's going to get worse

"this invasion is not turning out well and it's going to get worse"

How could it ever turn out well,with Merkel at the helm,

She's probably out at the next election '''

Having turned Europe into a dumping ground of Scroungers

Meantime she will look after number 1

Believe it or not yesterday I made a donation for the starving children of Syria.it's not their fault!

Call me a hypocrite if you so choose!

Some how in this thread German men have managed to get blamed.

Yes you are right most of the posters here are not Germans or never been there

a lot of German girls go out for a good night at New Years Eve they are

by them self's but then again this is Thai Visa a lot sit on there bar stools

or at home with there tin hat's

What exactly are you trying to say???

The Age article is a masterpiece of nauseating "progressive" political correctness.

They, like the ABC and BBC, cannot bring themselves to use the word 'Muslim' anywhere in the report.

The best they can do is admit that many of the men involved were "recent arrivals" and that many of them "come from cultures that some critics argue lack respect for women."

Some critics?

And the best that vapid turncoat Merkel can do is to say that "she feared that the incidents showed contempt for women."

Gosh, really?

As "some critics" have pointed out, this invasion is not turning out well and it's going to get worse.

And even the mighty Merkel has to admit Germany may have to consider "Deportations"

Why do we pay these stupid Politicians huge sums of wasted money???

Do you believe terrorists should receive the death penalty?

Reluctantly there is no other answer! if we wan't to survive!

@ kenk 24

"Talking of spectacles,yours are definately of the Rose tinted variety! As for me I make my own invitations,for a dinner on me,which means I don't subscribe to your idea of how you like to spend your money, which seems to mean you are quite happy to spend your money on people you don't even know,as the OP has already discovered to his cost! I shall beg to differ and not get involved in this kind of engagement,and leave it at that"