Steely Dan

Obama and Kerry bring to my mind that they would be the ideal customers for an Iranian carpet dealer.

Iranian carpet dealers are notorious for being difficult salesmen. They will drive hard bargains, often giving up nothing to gain what they finally want to achieve.

If they sense you are really hot to buy a particular carpet, you are dead in the water. You will end up losing all your ready cash and they will have a mortgage on your first born. You will then go home with your new purchase only to find out, in the light of day, it wasn't really as attractive as you thought and, in the end, doesn't really suit your needs.

The only way to deal with them is to offer them half of what they ask when the negotiations begin. Then as they come down, and they invariably will, you go up until you reach the price you want to pay. If they refuse to get to your price, you must be prepared to get in your car and go home without the carpet. I have been stopped many times as I was getting in my car and invited back in to talk some more. I usually ended up with the carpet at my price, but it took a few losses in the beginning to learn my lesson.

My ex-wife now owns some 25 Iranian carpets, ranging from a 9 X 12 Nain silk and wool to some Qom silk wall hangers.

My point in all this?

Obama and Kerry are amateurs dealing with the sharpest carpet sellers in the market. They are in over their heads and will end up with a meaningless, and perhaps temporary, agreement.

Valerie didn't school these two enough but, then, perhaps this is what she wanted all the time.

It appears they also sold Kerry a rug to go up top.

"Obama is playing a bizarre game that could endanger regional peace and threaten the national security of the US and its allies. He insisted that Kerry secure “something, anything” before April 14 to forestall the US Congress’ planned moves on Iran." Obama is caught lying to the world again.

http://nypost.com/2015/04/04/translated-version-of-iran-deal-doesnt-say-what-obama-claims-it-does/

In other words they can not even agree on an outline. In this entire thread there is no discussion of details regarding export of nuclear materials. Nothing on the number of centrifuges. Nothing relating to the current state of Iranian nuclear developments seeing as the IAEA have not had their questions answered. There is nothing regarding snap inspections by the IAEA to check compliance. The Iranians state that sanction relief will be complete and irreversible when they sign, no agreement has been mentioned as to what happens in the event of non compliance.

The only things spinning faster than the Iranian centrifuges are Kerry and Obama trying to sell a myth, which they know to be such but which fits their private seditious plans.

The Iranian nuclear bogey-man... he's about 35 years old now - born from the womb of the USA's brilliant "Atoms for Peace" policy pushing the nascent power technology on their friend the Shaw. Oops - here comes 1979 and the Ayatollah...

Someone in the GOP has to decide if they they are fighting ISIS or Iran - Sunni's or Shia's... or, as it seems, any middle-eastern nation besides Israel and Saudi Arabia. With seeming no knowledge of the historical geo-politics their pundits really sound like idiots.

Now is the perfect time for the USA to extract themselves from the region entirely and let the Sunni's and Shia's sort out their own shizzle. USA is in a no win situation and no matter whom they support it will breed more hatred and therefore terrorism against themselves. Pull out. Use the saved trillions to enact a policy of strict containment of the region, developing energy self-sufficiency (multiple economic benefits), restoring the countries failing infrastructure, bringing education standards up to world levels, and solving the countries water issues.

Ahhh... but that will never happen until they realize that 'Merica would be just as safe, and well protected from the other evils in the world even if they slashed their military/defence budgets in half and spent the savings on policies geared towards nation-building.

Yes, masterful strategy by Carter not supporting the Shah and by Obama doubling down by empowering Iran at every turn. As for the policy of letting Sunni and Shia scrap it out, let them do it with blunt sticks not nuclear weapons, there is not a snowballs chance in hell of the Saudis trusting this non agreement, or indeed the Iranians signing anything off in June when they suspect the Saudis are after a nuclear bomb.

According to the Iranians there is no agreement and no commitments and president Obama is lying when he claims there is. I must say that is the most believable thing I've ever heard uttered by an Iranian spokesman.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-accuses-u-s-of-lying-about-new-nuke-agreement/

Says White House misleading Congress, American people with fact sheet

BY: Adam Kredo

Adam Kredo is senior writer for the Washington Free Beacon. Formerly an award-winning political reporter for the Washington Jewish Week,

Oh what a shocker....not.....It is a Israel fan site nothing more

What else would they publish

And Valerie Jarrett, who is a principle formative influence on Obama has been batting for the Iranians since the year dot, sadly if you want to police sources you should start with every utterance which comes out of the Oval Office.

According to the Iranians there is no agreement and no commitments and president Obama is lying when he claims there is. I must say that is the most believable thing I've ever heard uttered by an Iranian spokesman.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-accuses-u-s-of-lying-about-new-nuke-agreement/

Hmh! An Islamic terror group which seems to have no interest in Israel????

You wouldn't be trying to float the logical fallacy that ISIS were therefore created by Israel would you?

Not yet. I have actually been sitting on that simple sentence for a couple of months wondering when it would come ;up.

I see. A yes or no would have sufficed, but a repeated subliminal suggestion is evidently more amusing.

Meanwhile Abbas calls for Arab league forces to bomb Gaza to stop the other half of the Palestinian 'unity' government. I guess any resulting casualties would not be of concern to the ICC.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193301#.VRfZ8_nF98E

Hmmm, 18000 Palestinians being terrorized by the most evil people on Earth. Cue twenty pages of moral outrage from some of our esteemed members....hang on, it's ISIS not Israel, oh well cue the tumbleweeds instead.

Its called running out the clock. And the Iranians are expert at it. As stated before this is the path used by North Korea to get nuclear weapons and ICBM's to deliver them. the p5 +1 are fooling themselves and trying to hoodwink we the taxpayers. Trump mentioned today that this whole exercise wouldn't take more than one hour.

But the Emperor of the free world must have his Halo, never mind if shortly after he flies the coop it turns into radioactive dust. A thought did occur that it is normal in democracies to push the can down the road to give rival incumbents problems o deal with, but here we are looking at premeditated treason and sabotage of the security of The U.S and her supposed allies.

Meanwhile back to reality, the Iranian proxies in Yemen seal off another waterway used for oil export from Saudi Arabia, whilst Saudi and Egyptian forces prepare to land in Yemen, soon to be augmented by Pakistani troops. So Iran has proxy influence in four middle eastern Countries and has closed off another water way. The leftist canard that Iran has never invaded anyone is looking more ridiculous and delusional by the day. John Kerry's presence at the talks to no doubt hold up a 'peace in our time' piece of paper makes his the new Neville Chamberlain, which saves the POTUS from a photo op that would no doubt go down in infamy in future times.

http://app.debka.com/p/article/24500/Khamenei-sends-Iranian-navy-to-Bab-el-Mandeb-Straits-Iran-arms-store-for-Hamas-bombed-in-Libya

Mashed potato face Kerry has already blown off one deadline.

Saying that too much progress has been made to let it all evaporate. We have another way of expressing this. It's called "caving".

Great news, if an agreement looks possible then of course extend the deadline. I think you will find that the other countries have essentially agreed but it is the US holding out. But dont let the facts worry you.

Great work so far Mr Kerry, a positive outcome for all involved can still be reached.

So another red line is crossed and the talks head on into April fools day, how very fitting.

The backdrop behind the negotiations with Iran are to say the least surreal. Pakistani troops alongside Saudis are poised to land in Aden to fight Shia militia allied to Iran. Pakistan are already a nuclear power who will certainly arm the Saudis with nuclear weapons if requested to so do. Iran know this very well and even if they sign off an agreement with the P5+1 theres fat chance of them honouring it with a Sunni vs Shia war breaking out.

An Iranian journalist who used the talks in Switzerland as an opportunity to defect spelled out explicitly that the U.S was in effect negotiating on behalf of Iran. Here are just some of the links with Iran, there are actually more in Obamas past influences.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5726/friends_of_iran_in_the_united_states

The deal he is pushing for is unbelievably bad, all pretense of the one year breakout time has been dropped and the IAEA are not even in a position to know where Iran are now with their nuclear developments, which makes proving they are in future violation practically impossible.

Just being reported that the father of one of the 'Syria 3' school girls (Abase) was 'front and centre' during a Muslim extremist anti-war demonstration that included the killer of Lee Rigby.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3015311/Pictured-Father-blamed-police-not-stopping-daughter-joining-ISIS-screams-burn-USA-stands-just-feet-Lee-Rigby-s-killer-Muslim-demo.html

(DM article, so may not be accessible to some)

This guy disclaimed all responsibility in the actions of his daughter and had the absolute temerity to demand that the Met police apologise for their inability to prevent his daughter from leaving the protection of her 'loving' and 'unknowing' family.

An apology was demanded by this cretin?!! This really beggars belief.

Unfortunately the UK security services seem to have completely dropped the ball in not having this obnoxious individual on a watch list. Such that his close connections to the fanatics in our midst should have been pointed out during the course of the cringingly awful Commons Select Committee hearing during which the Met police head gave an apology to the families.

Hopefully action will be taken against him. At the very least, I would think that he perjured himself during the UK Commons hearing.

What gets me is when the parents are interviewed there seems to be an automatic assumption they themselves are moderates whose children somehow became radicalized behind their backs. I suspect this is so often anything but the case.

So after two terms of Obama the Dems may well be trying to sell damaged goods to the electorate for a third time in a row.

In essence all that has happened here is that the U.S have thrown the Saudis a bone in the hope they don't notice the abject capitulation to Iran on the question of their nuclear weapons program. It should be remembered that Iran has meddled and destabilized the entire region as best it can, had the U.S take a zero tolerance approach to Iranian expansion then no military intervention in Yemen would have been necessary in the first place.