Steely Dan

There she goes favoring her support base yet again.


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I do hope his tragic death does not result in anyone's dining arrangements or beach attire from being interfered with.


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So there is a thread thats been open all day on efforts to eradicate the mass practice of female genital mutilation.

 

It has 8 responses total all day.

 

Apparently the do-gooders here are more concerned two muslim women were denied their rights to dine at a french cafe than the fact a million women are physically mutilated.

 

Can one of you guys explain that to me.

 

Appreciated .

For me, I doubt if these 2 "Muslimas" were aware of he restaurant is named after a religious place in Jerusalem, also known as the "Upper Room",

Such is the wheel of life, the Middle East hit bottom with the Arab Spring and the rise of ISIS, now there is only one way for it to go.

I predict many more small improvements such as this in the lives of people in this long suffering region.


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Unbelievable the shit storm here, absolutely unbelievable. I'm not sure whether or not a business owner is allowed to refuse service to prospective customers in France, but presume giving a reason based on identity is illegal.

Never Mind I'm opposed to all boycotts based on someone's nationality, race or religion. Anybody who posted condemning the restaurant owner but approving of boycotts elsewhere based on identity is a flaming hypocrite.

Further to this the selective focus of the news on some identity based discrimination but totally ignoring longstanding and far worse examples is absolutely sickening.


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Two thoughts spring to mind. Turkey has invaded the sovereign soil of another Country. In doing so those they characterize as terrorists are in fact freedom fighters. Isis may be the pretext for this invasion, but to clobber the Kurds is the motive. Here is a statement from U.S Centcom, it looks like they are walking back on support for Turkey's actions, very wise.




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The big problem with this posting is that it posits that Turkey does not have a formidable military.  And that is nonsense.

We now live in a post-news age. News is either suppressed, filtered or fabricated to suit the narrative of various sides. With the above caveat I include this link, it is my hope that it's more true than not, in which cas the Turks are about to have their <deleted> handed to them.

http://www.thomaswictor.com/operation-drive-turkish/


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9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

 

What are you on about?

 

The country which is the subject of this thread is France.

 

The other country you mentioned is Saudi Arabia.

 

 

Do Muslims demand or request these Muslim only sessions; or were they simply offered as a service to the local Muslim community, who pay local taxes the same as the rest of us? I suspect the latter.

 

Muslims are not the only religious group to desire and be given exclusive use of public pools: a public pool in Brooklyn has had a Jewish women only session since the 1990s;

Brooklyn Pool Can Keep Women-Only Swim Times

 

London, too: Muslim swimmers

 

Many other groups are offered exclusive use of swimming pools at certain times.  

 

Women-Only Swimming sessions common in many public pools in the UK.

 

Many pools also offer disabled only sessions (example).

 

Plus, of course, in many public pools swimming clubs, sub aqua clubs etc. hire the pool for their exclusive use.

 

So do you object to all of these; or just those aimed at Muslims?

 

 

Actually there is a very good argument to have migrants only swimming sessions. That would avoid a string of indecent assaults, vandalism, defecating in the pool and acting like animals. The Germans have even taken to posting signs in their swimming pools instructing people how not to act like savages.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/685999/germany-migrant-sex-attacks-swimming-pool-cologne-leaked-police-report

Here's what Douglas Murray has to say. The whole issue is really not that important. Hastily or badly framed laws are however a symptom of governments responding to a large upswell of public anger. This anger is of course due to the result of policies the government themselves enforced.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/26/from-cannes-to-bavaria-politicians-fiddle-with-burkini-bans-whil/

When a problem has no solutions, the only thing left to do is to change the topic. And so, in the wake of daily attacks, our continent is spending the summer talking beach-wear. Some people may think this is better than nothing. But it isn’t. It is fiddling while Europe boils.

Yes change the topic, hence reams of bloviating waffle from the usual suspects here.

5 hours ago, GuestHouse said:

 

If immigrants didn't change the culture of the countries they move to, the British would still be living in mud huts, dressing in animal skins, painting themselves blue. 

 

But we need not go that far back - the most popular food amongst British people on a night out is..... Curry. 

 

Culture changes - get used to the constant change. 

Read 'Blood of the Isles' to demonstrate the breakneck speed with which immigration has occurred recently..Gradual changes are far more easily accepted, especially from neighboring nations which at least share some common values.

I wonder whether this thread concerning hurt feelings over a likely discriminatory law has surpassed that for the 84 people in Nice mowed down by a Jihaddist?

i don't disprove of vigilantism, nor discrimination. I agree in essence with what Maajid Nawaz wrote about this (Column in the daily Beast if anyone is interested).

However I fear we have reached a tipping point where illiberal laws will gain more popular support and voices of moderation will no longer be heard. In other words the clash of civilizations predicted by Samuel Huntington is here, those who brought about the mass immigration from Muslim nations in direct opposition to his recommendations are responsible.

1 hour ago, NongKhaiKid said:

I sincerely hope whoever is in charge of these things allows me to live until 2022 and the World Cup in Qatar  so I can marvel at the amount of restrictions the authorities there will warn fans from all over the world apply and WILL BE enforced.

It's a funny thing, but whilst western liberals bristle with indignation about intolerant or reactionary viewpoints within their nations they are often blind to the same within other nations. I guess many Countries are hoping this item fades from the news quickly in case the spotlight is turned on them.

3 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

Anything that covers the face and prevents recognition should be banned anywhere in public, simple as that !

I quite agree, but even here there needs to be common sense applying it. What about parades featuring Chinese dragons? Does each person inside have to stick their head out of a porthole (even though they all look the same)? You could certainly hide a large firecracker inside one of them things.

7 hours ago, JetsetBkk said:

 

 

That's called "tautology".   

 

Correct, but let's pander to the wishes of those who would like Islam to give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's one day. Here is a Muslim I find myself agreeing with quite often, especially on this topic.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/25/both-sides-are-wrong-in-the-burkini-wars.html

2 minutes ago, GuestHouse said:

 

The ruling of the Conseil d'État is not a 'Climbdown' - it has suspended the ruling of the Mayor of Nice on the basis that he had no right to suspend individual liberties in this case. 

 

It is not a climb down, it is a step up defending the rights of individuals against the actions of a Mayor who made a decision which, on the basis of the situation on the beach, he had no right to make.

 

 

I should have phrased things with more care, you are correct in what you say. I was making the more general point that legislation should be made with care not to be discriminatory.

1 hour ago, Zendo said:

Wait few hours more and we'll know the result of human rights court.. deciding it is legal or not to forbid religious costumes (from all religions) in public places such as beaches....

 

But if it's gonna be legal.. we'll need way more police officers only for that purpose.. stupid isn't ?! it's not doable at all... out of reach, and that is exactly what Mister Sarkozy is prentending he'll do if citizens vote for him as president.. Again... pffff he'll try everything to come back.. need few more rolex maybe.

 

By the Way.. the President Hollande talked about this in 2011, and was saying that we needs new laws to change this kind of thing, he was still vague at that time.. not taking too much risk and making much promises

The court suspends the ban. Why give such an easy straw man of a law to attack in the first place. A ban of veils in public actually does some good seeing as hiding identity is used by some criminals. Such a law could be argued as not discriminatory as it could apply to motorbike helmets with visors down as well.

The worst aspect of a climbdown now is that it will encourage civil disobedience the next time political Islam decides to flex its muscles.

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Plus the US has already warned the Kurds they are supporting against Daesh in Syria / Iraq they will not support such an endeavour and in fact would withdraw military assistance.

And what a shameful way to treat a supposed ally active in fighting IS, as oppose to Turkey who have periodically colluded with them. Perhaps the small matter of the extradition request for Gulen can be dropped in return for services rendered.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/analysis-syrian-kurds-left-dark-allies-abandon-them-en-mass-447527904

Still I suspect the Kurds are aware of the way the current U.S administration operates and are thus cooperating with Arab special forces in fighting IS, whether they can expect any better outcome from them remains to be seen.

There are no fewer than four separate threads open related to this topic. It's actually a stunning success for those who would rather discuss Muslims as victims rather than focus on the extremist religious ideology of some of their number. In other words a stunning own goal, so good one has to ask whether or not it was deliberate?

2 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

US Navy has pulled the trigger in the Strait of Hormuz area in the past, more than once, all the while knowing fully well the craft are Iranian.

 

This time it was a .50 caliber machine gun which was more than enough to do the trick against the Iranian boats. (Three shots would mean three bursts of fire.) 

 

US Navy photo

 

CCP Dynasty of Dictators in Beijing are watching the US reactions against Iran as CCP continues to have its plans for the South China Sea/Asean and the East Sea/Japan. When and why does the USN pull the trigger and which trigger does it pull...or triggers. Flares, bullets or bombs.

For those with short memories here is another picture of U.S navy personnel in dealings with Iran.

21 minutes ago, Scott said:

As nice as it would be to have an independent Kurdistan, I can only imagine the chaos that ensue.   The Turks, the Iraqis, the Iranians and what is left of Syria are not going to allow this to happen.  

 

Anything that even hints at increased power to the Kurds is going to send Turkey into a fit of rage of epic proportions.  

 

 

 

 

If this guy is even partly right the Kurds do have allies in favour of a Kurdish state, to automatically look at this through the optic of a western centric lens may be looking in the wrong place.

http://www.thomaswictor.com/national-suicide/

There is only one language the Iranians understand, which is the use of superior force, or the credible threat to use it. The current U.S presidency has lost all credibility with respect to deterrence. This is why rogue states are busy testing just how much they can get away with.

Insane bolt?

39 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

How is Pavlov's cooking?

I wouldn't know the politicians and MSM are in charge of catering at these kennels.