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I'm gonna go out and try and get arrested today. What is the best area to hang around?

Asoke?

I suppose if one doesn't have a local lawyer they could always call their embassy? There is a UK 24 hour emergency consular assistance hotline which I probably would not hesitate to call if it came to it. I might drop sunbelt an email to see what they say.

I doubt many of the hotels will say anything. Room occupancy levels are down year on year anyway from what I hear so they are hardly going to acknowledge there is an issue. Hopefully it will die down in the run up to Xmas and into new year.

Redbull etc give positive

Sorry someone care to expand on this? Red bull give positive what?

many of the visitors near asoke are there for the red light district/famous hoe zone all along that sidewalk area.

if they have no qualms about paying for poon whats the high horse attitude about paying some tea money?

During the day really? Cowboy is shut then. Ever thought about that area being popular for tourists to stay in anyway due to the public transport connections and terminal 21?

If they are after drugs it's obvious they would need to look closer to home. From the reports in previous pages it's obvious they are after easy tourist targets who will cough up extortion money without kicking up a fuss.

What I would like to know is for tourists visiting Bangkok is there a legal firm I could register with and call on if trouble kicked off? I would have no problems paying a few k if it's meant I could get any pesky crooked cops off my case if they tried to strong arm me into a fake urine test.

Again denying stuff so you dont have the experience else you would have backed it up.

They would not have sent rank amateurs to a high profile case. They have training experience and access to the evidence. You have none of that you have your brain (probably good) but not the training nor access to all the evidence.

That the police fouls up that is obvious I foul up at times too. Everyone does its called being human. However this was a team of police officers on a high profile case. If they thought it was a sham they would have told the family.

There are more then 2 type of people.. i know some wearing tin foil hats too. I question things a lot but only if I have access to the details I have seen it often how people make assumptions without all the evidence it goes wrong.

That the Thai police mishandled the case is clear no need to discuss it, but obvious the Brits that have seen the evidence that in the end they caught the suspects. But the Thais really are bad at keeping things silent, its quite normal to have multiple suspects and investigate leads but they acted like leads were the culprits all the time. It was wrong it was stupid. That does not mean that they did not catch the right guys in the end.

The experienced Brit police officers that reviewed the case at least thought so. If the report comes out and it states otherwise I will eat humble pie.

The mark of a man is not being afraid to admit he is wrong.

I guarantee you I have more experience than you and probably a few on here. Now of course I'm not going to actually divulge any tangible info on that as having anonymity is important.

You must realise that by the time our chaps got out there the Burmese lads had already been 'given up' and it was even made clear that the they could not interfere.

You also need to realise that diplomatic ties between nations transcend most things unless they involve high profile people so even if they had found something which made them frown they were not about to potentially ruin ties with a country over the deaths of 2 nobody tourists. It simply does not happen. This is not Colombo or the land of Zod where truth and justice reign supreme.

Diplomatic ties and politics underpin most things and it would take a seriously major incident for anyone here to speak out against it.

I don't care that you have more experience as me. I absolutely have no experience in police work. But as I have stated many times (one would say with your experience you could read) its about the Brit police. Do you have more experience as them and did you see all the evidence just like they did ?

No justice does not rule supreme but the Brits have nothing to win by agreeing to the Thai version. For your tinfoil hat conspiracies (yes I call them that if it involves the top Brit cops lying in reports and public).

It would be different if the UK stood to win or loose a lot, but that is not the case where is the motive.

I can see English isn't your first language but try to read my posts again. You are either displaying an inability to comprehend what I'm saying or you are just being ignorant as your argument seems to be predicated on nothing other than the fact that the Met were involved in an observational role.

Goodnight

If you had experience you would have mentioned it you did not. So i am not off the mark.

Sure the police makes mistakes but in this case they send their best to a case that is in the spotlights. What do you think.

I think its a case of not wanting to eat humble pie.

I do agree that the Thai police are bad.. but the Brits have send their best.

Your taking punts as to my experience on the subject based on me not announcing it to all and sundry? That's not how it works.

And why do you keep referring to them as our best? I've given you plenty of example of how 'the best' police over here are no better than anywhere else.

Our best are probably GCHQ or MI6 and they have far more important things to worry about than another foreigner dying in shady circumstances in Thailand.

If there is humble pie to be eaten I will gladly do so. However in order for that to happen there needs to be complete transparency from the start which as the poster above alluded too was simply not there hence the suspicion.

There are 2 types of people in this world. Those who eat up the fodder for the masses spouted by the media and those in power and those who take a step back and question things based on instinct. Yes we don't have all the facts to hand but it's blatantly clear this case has been mishandled and would not hold up in court in any country with a shred of credibility. If you don't recognise that then I can't really say any more.

Again denying stuff so you dont have the experience else you would have backed it up.

They would not have sent rank amateurs to a high profile case. They have training experience and access to the evidence. You have none of that you have your brain (probably good) but not the training nor access to all the evidence.

That the police fouls up that is obvious I foul up at times too. Everyone does its called being human. However this was a team of police officers on a high profile case. If they thought it was a sham they would have told the family.

There are more then 2 type of people.. i know some wearing tin foil hats too. I question things a lot but only if I have access to the details I have seen it often how people make assumptions without all the evidence it goes wrong.

That the Thai police mishandled the case is clear no need to discuss it, but obvious the Brits that have seen the evidence that in the end they caught the suspects. But the Thais really are bad at keeping things silent, its quite normal to have multiple suspects and investigate leads but they acted like leads were the culprits all the time. It was wrong it was stupid. That does not mean that they did not catch the right guys in the end.

The experienced Brit police officers that reviewed the case at least thought so. If the report comes out and it states otherwise I will eat humble pie.

The mark of a man is not being afraid to admit he is wrong.

I guarantee you I have more experience than you and probably a few on here. Now of course I'm not going to actually divulge any tangible info on that as having anonymity is important.

You must realise that by the time our chaps got out there the Burmese lads had already been 'given up' and it was even made clear that the they could not interfere.

You also need to realise that diplomatic ties between nations transcend most things unless they involve high profile people so even if they had found something which made them frown they were not about to potentially ruin ties with a country over the deaths of 2 nobody tourists. It simply does not happen. This is not Colombo or the land of Zod where truth and justice reign supreme.

Diplomatic ties and politics underpin most things and it would take a seriously major incident for anyone here to speak out against it.

If you had experience you would have mentioned it you did not. So i am not off the mark.

Sure the police makes mistakes but in this case they send their best to a case that is in the spotlights. What do you think.

I think its a case of not wanting to eat humble pie.

I do agree that the Thai police are bad.. but the Brits have send their best.

Your taking punts as to my experience on the subject based on me not announcing it to all and sundry? That's not how it works.

And why do you keep referring to them as our best? I've given you plenty of example of how 'the best' police over here are no better than anywhere else.

Our best are probably GCHQ or MI6 and they have far more important things to worry about than another foreigner dying in shady circumstances in Thailand.

If there is humble pie to be eaten I will gladly do so. However in order for that to happen there needs to be complete transparency from the start which as the poster above alluded too was simply not there hence the suspicion.

There are 2 types of people in this world. Those who eat up the fodder for the masses spouted by the media and those in power and those who take a step back and question things based on instinct. Yes we don't have all the facts to hand but it's blatantly clear this case has been mishandled and would not hold up in court in any country with a shred of credibility. If you don't recognise that then I can't really say any more.

The level of shoddy police work added to the seemingly endless list of inconsistencies will mean some people probably won't ever be able to accept this to be true. They will forget in time, until the next incident anyway.

If a uniform is all it takes to convince you then so be it.

Criminal cases need to be compelling and precise in their delivery if the intention is to jail someone. This case has been akin to something out of a low budget movie spoof.

You should eat some humble pie. You never worked as a detective for a job.. you did not have access to all the evidence. You dont have years and years of experience like the Brits did. If they tell me its a set up I believe them. If you say something from your home without having access to all the evidence then I don't.

Has nothing to do with a uniform, just the difference between a professional with access to the evidence and someone who has only seen part of the evidence and no experience.

I learned a lot from my police friend (Dutch guy) how reporters almost never got the details straight and only confused the case more. This was in Holland a pretty good country all in all so I can only imagine how it goes here. People thinking that based on news they have all the evidence are laughable.

But I do agree the police here is not top notch that is why i put faith in the Brits (they send their finest) to discover if evidence has been tampered with or not. You obviously seem to think you know better as them better as the finest the UK has to offer.

With all due respect you have no idea what I do or what my background is. And newsflash mate the police here are human and are just as open to shoddy work and cover ups as anyone else. The difference is they are not as buffoon like as their Thai counterparts.

Over here there is a massive enquiry underway to investigate how multiple police forces have allowed young girls in social care to be abused and in some cases prostituted.

They have also been found to be complicit in the Hillsborough disaster cover up in which 96 football fans died at a football ground due to poor policing, systematic racism during the Steven Lawrence murder, not to mention a complete balls up case of mistaken identity which resulted in an innocent man having in his brains blown out at point blank range on a packed tube. There was also the trigger happy shooting of someone they thought was armed in which triggered the London riots. And if that's not sick enough for you try googling Jimmy Saville.

I knew personally, some people involved at the centre of some very well publicized cases in Thailand a few years ago that were also the subject of intense discussion on internet forums. There was so much happening behind the scenes and at a diplomatic level that was never reported. The end result was things were concluded earlier than anyone predicted. I asked an embassy official at the time about some of the speculation on the internet and was told most of it was way off the mark but they couldn't respond to it in the media without jeopardizing the case. The way the case was resolved proved the official correct. On another forum I still remember how two long time posters who seemed to be well versed on goings on in Thailand were endlessly commenting on one case. It all sounded fairly plausible but when you had some first hand knowledge it was clear they had little idea of the true situation. The information diplomats and police provide the family can be a lot more detailed than anything the best reporters can come up with so never take what you see reported on the internet as gospel.

Fair point and you may well be right. It just seems bizarre given how open they have been since day 1 that there could possibly be anything they haven't already disclosed. Press conferences and statements on almost a daily basis discussing the most grotesque details or developments. I don't think police forces anywhere else would behave like that and would rather keep their cards close to their chest. When you consider that and the perception of the country in terms of corruption it doesn't really matter as the house always wins. I mean look at that copper killed by the Red Bull kid. Clear as day what happened but over there it seems anything is possible with money.

The level of shoddy police work added to the seemingly endless list of inconsistencies will mean some people probably won't ever be able to accept this to be true. They will forget in time, until the next incident anyway.

If a uniform is all it takes to convince you then so be it.

Criminal cases need to be compelling and precise in their delivery if the intention is to jail someone. This case has been akin to something out of a low budget movie spoof.

The parents probably don't even have a clue. They will have been shown evidence from RTP. It's not like RTP will have shown hem their version followed by CSI LA/other and asked them 'so whadya think?'.

They consulted with the English detectives. Do you think you know more then they do ?

23 year old Hannah and her friend David Miller were killed on the island of Koh Tao earlier this year. Two Burmese men have been charged with their murder. Hannah's family said tonight they have met with the police officers who traveled to Thailand to review the case. They ask for the details of the case not to be made public before the trial and ask for their privacy to be respected.

They Thaivisa detectives again know it better as professional police officers from the UK who have seen all the evidence. Do you really think those UK police officers would lie to them ?

Had the UK officers been on the scene within 24 hours I would say no. But they rocked up late in the day. For all we know they were probably fed the same stuff. In a world where banks and financial institutions have been found guilty of rigging interest rates do you really think it's not possible for police in a country known to be corrupt to not fudge a case? Anyway I'm not really bothered now. The families need closure so they can move on so if they are happy with this then so be it.

Question to those who do think the right guys have been caught. If you have a hot gf or wife would you be willing to go to Koh tao and spend the evening drinking in AC bar? Not a chance in hell I bet.

Has anyone ever been attacked by one in Lumpini park? They look dangerous.

The parents probably don't even have a clue. They will have been shown evidence from RTP. It's not like RTP will have shown hem their version followed by CSI LA/other and asked them 'so whadya think?'.

I was in Bangkok for Christmas a few years ago and I was surprised by the decorations. It's a nice vibe and almost seemed more merry than back home.

I must say ''Edinburgh and London'' are looking beautiful with all the Christmas Decorations and just the General Vibe...

and of course, the Cold weather helps with the Christmas Spirit.....

Yes London looks good. But maybe it's having to go to work every day which makes it miserable. 5555

Maybe you should consider Krabi or Koh Lanta.

Stay on long beach or laem tong. On tonsai you can find some nice places but you will generally be surrounded by backpacking party animals. Don't even think about staying near loh dalam. Paradise ruined.

For that budget maybe try somewhere on laem tong beach or Outrigger

So is all the ice cream in Thailand using soy milk then?

Ice cream is usually made from emulsified vegetable oil.

No dairy products.

Ok thanks. I've assumed all these years that there was some dairy products included.

Good info people. I had planned on checking this out on my upcoming trip.

So is all the ice cream in Thailand using soy milk then?

^^ I know a good reliable driver in Patong. I've used him a few times.

Id give her one.

Relax mate was only messing.

Thanks but I would still like to know if samui has been affected by this as well.

Maybe they need to plant a sniper on the roundabout and pick off a gone who fails to give way to vehicles approaching from the right.

I find it shocking that road safety is treated with such disregard. Shocking but also not surprising.

Supposed to be spending a few weeks in Phuket in the new year but all this umbrella nonsense has got me thinking to maybe try somewhere else. Has the same stance been taken on Koh samui with regards to deckchairs and umbrellas? Specifically I am interested in lamai.

Thanks