ayakiawe

sweetball tobacco does make a good pesticide.

They should use it on you!

You are a real pest!

“As stated not an addict.”

Tell me this after you stop smoking for 3 months

”You did not answer the question.”

Yes I did

”Do you drink, ever taken a tablet or medicine.”

Nope not normally. Coconut water is my preferred drink to tell you the truth.

”Are rats only used in tabacco tests”

Probably not the only things used.

”Have you forgot to take your Prozac today.”

I don’t take drugs normally

A smoker wrote:

“Love to hear you all, so many heads up so many <deleted>. I never smoke in my house since my baby was born, but I do smoke. It’s a fact that smokers breed smokers? I do however try and keep it outside the house, keep things in prospective. Thailand is a smoke free, bullshit free zone.”

More smoker/ drug addict logic possibly?

So he never smokes in the house “after” baby born, that’s very good but …before the birth you did with your wife?

Oh that’s not so nice when she was pregnant, right?

See the logic folks????

That was not so great for mommy and the baby inside too I am sure!

“It’s a fact that smokers breed smokers?”

Are you telling us something here? Why the question mark?

Yes this is true, as I understand too.

You say you “Try to keep it outside”?

How do you “try” to do this?

Stop trying and just do it!

“Keep things in perspective?”

From a drug addicts perspective you mean?

That’s not such a great perspective for the baby I think.

More clear reasoning folks!

“Thailand is a smoke free, bullshit free zone.”

Really smoke free? Not quite yet I’m afraid.

It’s not even a challenge to debate smoker’s arguments and my English and debate skills are quite poor!

Really poor thinking is what I say about all the smokers who have written in tonight. Tells me your brains are not working properly.

Why don’t you give up smoking and see if things change?

Its hard to teach a cockroach and a dumb “addicted” Farang too!

Shame shame on any smoker who doesn’t t ask for forgiveness and apologizes for causing harm to others persons (babies and everyone else for that matter) physical bodies!

You are a shameful group of worthless trash in my book if you dont do this now and keep this toxic smoke away from everyone!

While you are busy killing yourself (some of you call it pleasure) please spare us the same treatment!

I would like to see large fines and long jail terms for this crime myself!

"I will carry on smoking when and where i want."

Anywhere you want huh?

This sounds like a sick drug addict to me!

What..... around babies, dear Mikey????

You are Sick, really sick, get some help before you kill yourself and others!

Or leave the planet and do us all a favor!

“Try and get on with your lives and let others do the same”

Tell that to a new born baby who has the next 18 years to look forward to your “stress free” toxic cigarette smoke filled home life reality!

Get real Mikey boy!

More smoker logic! Pathetic!

Wow I am not impressed Mr. Orion.

The “certain individual” is “only” the president of the National Health Foundation.

Addicts can justify ANYTHING folks!

Let’s get rid of them and have a safer world.

Stop breathing you say to the non smokers! Angie darling?

What about this which is more reasonable, you can smoke but just don’t exhale…….

Smokers!

Don’t pollute our world!

Live a stress free world?

I say "Stick it lit up your ass!"

It works even better tuktukmike

Didn’t you read the article?

"Smokers should realize that they are damaging not only their own health but also that of others who will suffer from second-hand smoke in the long-run, Chitanond said.”

Hey a “Thai” actually figured this one out!

To me it’s amazing that many Farangs cant!

I guess my theory went out the door on this one!

Maybe there is hope for Thailand!

I know one day (I hope) if you are a smoker you will not be offered any type of Thai visa!

Just like heroine addicts can’t enter the Kingdom either.

That means a lot less trash in Thailand!

This is a grand vision!

Now really, the smokers are such a pathetic group tonight and can’t even come up with anything that’s even clever!

Hey have another toxic one on me first then….. (But not around anyone else mind you!)

Then either…..

Just call it quits now and join the sane human race!

Or if not..... then volunteer as a laboratory rat substitute (LRS) now before its too late!

Save a rat!

Just think you could stand in for one of those poor creatures and they could find out a lot more relevant info about how toxic the smoke is for humans!

That would be a worthy sacrifice to save a rat and get the better info too!

What do you say????

A solution finally!

A drug addict (nicotine is a very powerful and addictive drug) can get very cleaver and creative protecting their sick addiction.

Self righteous too!

All the way to justifying killing others (second hand smoke kills too) for it!

I kid you not!

I say, until they stop there addition, completely, don’t let them even have a say.

Not to be trusted just like crack addicts.

Lock them up, if they subject anyone to this toxic chemical trash anywhere, anytime.

Put them in a sealed locked room the manufactures uses to test the cigarette smoke and see how the rats react to it!

Problem solved once and for all!

I like this better than a firearm solution! Saves bullets for other A holes!

Astral you must not be paying attention very closely!

Real pollutants you say! Oh you must not know or your head in the ground or what?

There are more than 2000 carefully selected different chemicals used in modern cigarette mixtures all designed to kill you (and any other innocent victims within near vicinity) slowly.

These are REALLY, dangerous too.

If it were just natural leaves burning it could be no problem for me but today’s smokes are really full of super toxic chemicals which I think is the most important point to get clear!

The papers are made from super toxic chemicals too!

Please don’t smoke around others!

ANYONE!

And it’s our right (mothers and babies too) as non smokers to not have to breath your f….g toxic smoke, all you dumb selfish smokers!

Apparently ovenman you don’t qualify for the ½ brain status yet. Maybe if you stopped smoking your brain cells would regrow and you could think clearly again!

Try eating your cigarette! I hear there is enough nicotine in one to kill a pig.

Go for it so we can have a better world for the rest of us. It would be a worthwhile sacrifice!

The problem with cigarettes makers is they don’t put quite enough poison in them to kill the “suicide seekers” quick enough.

It takes 10-20 years which is just too long in my book!

If they would make the whole ordeal take say a week or two, I for one think we could afford smokers smoking because it would be over with quickly.

I think personally a better way to kill oneself would be with a firearm.

That way, it’s quick & easy (just one pull of a small trigger) and not a bunch of people have to put up with toxic smoke while you take your sweet time to kill yourself!

This is my take of how stupid the whole thing is.

I once spent the night in a hospital in Indonesia.

What man (real man that is!) there does not smoke?

There were no private rooms left so I got to stay with the other poor men in a room.

It was full of 12 men all dieing from cigarette smoking.

What a God awful night!

It would make anyone with half a brain (I realize that’s asking a lot here in Asia) to out right stop stop or at least not subject children and other innocent people (ME TOO!) the toxic on slot of this terrible, terrible poison!

good idea lemon unless that was twisted!

Hey this is a very very big issue

! RIGHT ON! Some good news for once!

Finally Mr. Toxin and his boys have a GOOD idea!

How many sick stupid men (fathers and others) I see holding the baby in one hand and a toxic smoke in the other!

While the woman just sit there and put up with it!

Bad mothering is what I call it!

Right on! Let’s get rid of all smokers, Farang and the rest of the cockroaches too!

Let them all smoke on the moon or in the dump where that crap belongs!

Thats what happens when cockroaches run the show. I am into most things organic but this calls for ByGone!

"cockroaches like to hang out in packs"

I would like to Bygone them all!

So before if you did this you had your head cut off here in Thailand and the rest of Asia. So the ones who survivied learned this quickly or left quickly.

They still act like its going to happen if they do it now though?

Thats why they cant think me thinks!

get rid of all faiths except the one "good one", that's where the word for god came from GOOD!

The worst is the muslim one though for sure

You can kill for Alla.

Its all 100% BS if you ask me!

How could anyone fall for this kind of capola?

you cant trust a cockroach even if he is a police officer

I call this normal for a cock roach.

"malang sop" in Thai.

First he said the Thai people should save fuel. So what the bell is he doing?

Close the stores early so he can fly in a private huge Jet to his gas guzzling parties?

When will the Thai people get rid of this TOXIC mess once and for all!

Wake up Thailand before he destroys the whole country!

Down with Toxic Toxin, NOW!

Toxin's pandora's box cont

Sorry about the format again!

Comment: UNDEFINED: Comment Reuters, 31.08.2004

Thai

> cabinet overturns GMO approval 31 Aug 2004

09:48:13 GMT

> Source: Reuters (Adds activist comment) By

Trirat

> Puttajanyawong BANGKOK, Aug 31 (Reuters) -

>

> Thailand's

> cabinet decided on Tuesday to keep a three-year

ban on

> planting crops using genetically modified

organisms (GMO),

> overturning a decision by a panel chaired by

Prime Minister

> Thaksin Shinawatra. Instead, it decided to set

up a panel

> to hear the arguments for and against GMO crops

from state

> agencies and biotech lecturers at all Thai

universities,

> Science Minister Korn Dabbaransi told

reporters. "We will

> have academics from all universities to hear

their view on

> three options -- 1) to promote GMOs freely in

Thailand, 2)

> to allow the co-existence of GM and non-GM

crops, or 3) to

> ban GMOs completely," Korn said after the

weekly cabinet

> meeting. Tuesday's decision reversed one made

by Thaksin's

> committee only little more than a week ago to

allow

> open-field trials alongside non-GMO plants. The

following

> day, Thaksin used part of his weekly radio

address to laud

> Thailand as a country technologically capable

of developing

> GMOs. "If we don't start now, we will miss this

scientific

> train and lose out in the world," he said. The

debate on

> biotech grains has intensified worldwide, with

advocates

> saying they could lead to a more secure future

for food,

> while opponents say they could produce new

toxins and

> allergens, affecting the health of consumers.

Following

> Thaksin's decision, anti-GMO activists,

including Greenpeace

> and organic food growers, went out on the

streets to urge

> the government to reverse its decision, fearing

the

> country's organic food export industry would be

hit hard.

>

> Anti-GMO advocates said by adopting open

field trials,

> Thailand was heading towards promoting GMOs

freely as the

> government had no measures to prevent GM crops

from

> contaminating non-GMO crops. Korn said the

government would

> not change its GMO policy until a law on

biotechnology had

> been passed. Planting of GM crops is now done

in government

> laboratories for papayas, chillies and

eggplants, while

> imports of genetically modified soybeans and

maize for

> animal feedstock and other commercial uses are

legal,

> officials said. A consumer group reacted warily

to the

> cabinet decision and urged the government to

allow anti-GMO

> activists to take part in the drafting process

of a new law

> on biotechnology. "We hope this government

didn't keep the

> ban because they were afraid of losing their

popularity

> ahead of the general election," said Sairung

Thongplon of

> the Confederation of Consumers' Organisations.

"We hope it

> will not lift the ban after the elections" due

by the end of

> March. (Additional reporting by Sasithorn

Simaporn)

> [Entered August 31, 2004]

>

> Thailand backs down over GMO crop trials after

public outcry

>

> BANGKOK (AFP) Sep 01, 2004

> The Thai government has halted plans for

open-field trials of

> genetically

> modified crops in a move dismissed by activists

Wednesday as a

> short-term

> tactical ploy in the face of public protest.

> Officials will begin a new study to decide if

the trials should be

> delayed or

> even abandoned after the cabinet backed down

from relaxing

> three-year-old

> regulations governing the crops.

>

> Fierce criticism of the trials has been led by

environmental group

> Greenpeace

> which said the government had rushed into a

decision that threatened

> the health

> of the Thai people.

>

> The government said public opposition had

contributed to its decision

> and

> accepted that genetically modified organisms

(GMOs) remained a

> debatable issue

> across the world.

>

> "The Prime Minister said there should be a

study about GMO because if

> the

> government rushes to make a decision, it may

lead people to think the

> government

> supports GMOs," government spokesman Jakrapob

Penkair told AFP. "We

> will do the

> study on paper, not by testing."

>

> Greenpeace said Wednesday that the government

was still determined to

> push ahead

> with allowing GMO crops in Thailand.

>

> It claims that a planned government campaign

aimed at "improving public

> understanding" would be used to persuade a

sceptical public to embrace

> the idea

> of GMOs.

>

> Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has been

accused of bowing to

> pressure from US

> corporate giants like Monsanto, which is

pushing to test GM corn

> strains, to

> reverse a ban on trials.

>

> Opponents said the US government had insisted

that Thailand grant

> intellectual

> property protection for GMOs before they reach

an agreement on free

> trade.

>

> Thaksin Wednesday dismissed suggestions that

his earlier backing for

> open-field

> trials was linked to US pressure.

>

> But he remained bullish over the prospects for

GM crops in Thailand.

> "The

> concern over GMO testing outside the lab being

dangerous for other

> products is

> an overreaction," he told reporters. "Thais

have limited information

> about GMO

> testing.

>

> "The study will be carry on until we can find a

compromise."

>

> The cabinet in 2001 banned GMO field trials.

Current law forbids the

> public sale

> of GMO seeds and requires products containing

more than five percent

> of a

> genetically modified ingredient to be clearly

labelled.

>

> Controlled experiments are allowed but

Greenpeace claimed government

> trials of

> GM papaya contaminated a non-GM farmer's field

60 kilometres (37

> miles) from the

> site.

>

> Varoonvarn Svangsopakul, from Greenpeace

Southeast Asia, said the

> climbdown was

> only a "partial victory" for opponents of GMOs.

>

> "It's not over yet. The government agencies who

support GMOs will try

> hard to

> put it back on the agenda," he said.

>

> "I think the government is just buying time.

They will launch a series

> of

> advertisements until the people accept the

idea."

>

> The United States is the world's biggest GMO

producer but has

> struggled to

> persuade other nations to accept the products.

>

> However in Asia, the Philippines and China

already have huge

> plantations

> producing GM crops such as corn and cotton.

sorry about the format

> From: Melanie & Colehour Bondera

<[email protected]>

> Date: September 4, 2004 7:15:01 AM HST

> To: gefreehawaii <[email protected]>

> Subject: [gefreehi] GM papaya: Importers cancel

orders fearing

> contamination

> Reply-To: [email protected]

>

>

>

> GMO CONCERNS: Europeans shun Thai papaya

>

http://nationmultimedia.com/page.news.php3...20149&usrsess=1

> THE NATION, Sep 3, 2004

> Importers cancel orders fearing contamination

>

> Several European Union importers this week

stopped importing canned

> fruit

> products containing papaya from Thailand

fearing possible

> contamination from

> genetically modified (GM) papaya, a Thai

exporter said.

>

> The "stop" order was received on Wednesday by a

major Thai

> manufacturer, from

> one of its main customers in a European

country, Germany according to

> one

> source. The company has been importing canned

fruit salad and fruit

> cocktail

> products from the Thai company for years, said

Wanlop Phichphongsa,

> managing

> director of Top Organic Products and Supplies

Co and a member of Thai

> Organic

> Trader.

>

> Another Thai company received a similar notice

from a customer in

> France,

> said another source. But this case has yet to

be officially confirmed.

>

> "The reason is clear: It is the fear of GM

papaya contamination," he

> said

> about the first case. "The reaction has been a

lot faster than we

> would have

> imagined, faster than the bird flu impact."

>

> He spoke on the condition the exporter would

not be identified |to

> avoid

> further damage to its |business, Wanlop said.

>

> The EU importer had asked for a GM-free

certificate for the papaya the

> company uses, Wanlop said.

>

> "The policy's impact was felt immediately,

leaving no time to

> prepare," he

> said.

>

> "The Thai manufacturer tried to explain to its

customer that Thailand

> has no

> policy to grow and trade GM papaya and sent

them copies of

> English-language

>

> news report about this week's Cabinet

resolution to support the

> explanation.

> But it failed. The importer still insisted on

sticking to its stop

> order."

>

> Wanlop said it is clear the order was due to

two factors; the recent

> resolution of the National Biotechnology Policy

Commission that gave

> the

> green light for GM crops and the lack of

credibility of Thai

> authorities.

> They have denied leakage from some GM papaya

experiments despite

> results of

>

> testing at farmers' fields indicating

otherwise.

>

> He called on the government to order an

investigation into the leakage

> of GM

> contaminated papaya into farmers' orchards in

Khon Kaen and nearby

> provinces.

>

> "There should be some independent committee

that could gain trust from

> foreign importers to conduct the

investigation," he said.

>

> Thai ambassadors and commerce offices abroad

need to communicate

> Thailand's

>

> GM-free crop policy to importers in order to

prevent further damage to

> Thai

>

> exports, he said.

>

> Annually, canned fruit-salad products generate

about Bt1 billion in

> export

> revenues to the Kingdom.

>

> Kamol Sukin, Sirinart Sirisunthorn

>

> THE NATION

>

>

> German food distributor cancels order

>

> Contamination from GMO papaya feared

>

> KULTIDA SAMABUDDHI

>

> A well-known German food distributor has banned

fruit cocktail

> products from

> a Thai exporter for fear the products contain

genetically-modified

> papaya.

>

> The German importer has stopped ordering canned

fruit cocktail from a

> Chiang

> Mai-based processed fruits exporter following a

report of the spread

> of GM

> papaya from the Agriculture Department's Khon

Kaen research station to

> local

> farms, said Soontorn Sritawee, vice-president

of River Kwai

> International

> Food Industry, a key member of the Thai Organic

Alliance Society.

>

> The Thai exporter and German importer were not

named.

>

> ''It is a shocking move for exporters. We did

not expect that the ban

> would

>

> be imposed this fast,'' said Mr Soontorn.

>

> Mr Soontorn said he was informed by the company

on Wednesday that its

> fruit

>

> cocktail shipment, which contains papaya,

pineapple and guava, would be

> banned indefinitely.

>

> The importer demanded the company prove the

papayas were grown from

> GM-free

>

> seeds.

>

> He said the company has switched to buying

papayas from the southern

> provinces pending an investigation of the GM

papaya scandal in Khon

> Kaen.

>

> Food exporters have confronted a series of

trade obstacles since GMO

> contamination in local farms was publicised,

said Mr Soontorn,

> including a

> GM-free labelling requirement in South Africa

on Thai rice and an

> order to

> delay shipments of Thai papaya products by

Carrefour superstore in

> France.

>

> Meanwhile, the Thai Organic Alliance Society, a

group of organic food

> exporters that opposes genetically-engineered

food technology, pressed

> the

> government and the Commerce Ministry to clarify

the Thai GMO policy for

> importers.

>

> ''Please urgently inform them that no

commercial plantation of GM

> crops was

>

> allowed here,'' the group said in a press

release.

>

> The exporters also demanded the government

establish a neutral

> committee to

>

> investigate the GM papaya scandal in Khon Kaen,

saying that the

> department's

> sluggishness in looking into the case had

generated mistrust among

> importers.

>

> Agriculture Department director-general Chakan

Saengraksawong said all

> means

> would be used to regain the trust of importers.

He said technical

> officers

> would be dispatched to explain to the European

Commission that Thai

> farm

> products were free of GMOs.

>

> The department will also invite European

importers to inspect the

> department's GM papaya field trials to prove

that the experiment was

> conducted under strict biosafety control

measures, he added.

>

> Papaya has been exported mainly as fruit

cocktail, dehydrated papaya,

> and

> canned papaya in syrup. Thailand exports about

1,000 shipping

> containers,

> worth about one bil

>

> GMO FEARS: 'Papayas are not tainted'

>

> Published on Sep 4, 2004

>

>

> Ministry denies local varieties contaminated

during field trials

>

> The Agriculture Department yesterday denied

that papayas destined for

> European

> markets and elsewhere were genetically modified

crops.

>

> "Exporters can apply for a department

certificate to prove the papayas

> have not

> been contaminated," said department director

general Chakarn

> Saengruksawong.

>

> Six exporters have sought |and received such

certificates |for their

> papaya

> exports to Poland and the Netherlands, he said.

>

> Chakarn said his department's field tests with

genetically modified

> (GM) papayas

> had not contaminated local crops and that

Thailand had not condoned

> the planting

> of GM crops.

>

> "I can speak with authority that Thailand has

not produced GM papayas

> or GM

> crops of any kind. Environmental groups, such

as Greenpeace, are

> wel-come to

> verify my statement," he said.

>

> He warned that opponents of GM crops should not

make |wild accusations

> about

> papaya contamination without |checking.

>

> Greenpeace Southeast Asia took up Chakarn's

challenge and called on the

> authorities to stop skirting around the issue

of GM papayas and begin

> to destroy

> and clean up contaminated crops.

>

> "Test results from independent laboratories in

Hong Kong show that

> some GM

> papayas on the market are of the Kaek Dam Tha

Phra strain, which is

> available

> only through the research station run by the

Agriculture Department in

> Khon

> Kaen," Greenpeace executive director Jiragorn

Gajaseni said.

>

> The test results prove field trials of GM

papayas had contaminated

> local crops,

> she said.

>

> The contamination is a time bomb that could

destroy the agricultural

> industry if

> authorities failed to deal with it quickly,

Jiragorn said.

>

> Organic agriculture advocate Withoon Panyakul

urged the authorities to

> present

> proof that papaya seeds distributed to farmers

were not contaminated.

>

> "Lingering doubts about Thai GM papayas can be

dispelled quickly if

> authorities

> rush to destroy suspicious papaya crops," he

said, drawing an analogy

> to the

> culling of millions of chickens to contain the

spread of avian flu.

>

> Papaya farmer Somkuan Sriwongchotisakul said

she was willing to

> destroy her

> crops in Khon Kaen's Phon district if

authorities could prove the

> contamination.

>

> Greenpeace said that the papaya samples from

Somkuan's plot were GM

> papayas.

>

> Somkuan said if her papayas were contaminated,

she should receive

> compensation

> from the authorities as her seeds came from a

government research

> station.