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This bloke is spot on. Everyone's vote should be respected. Even the dumb rice farmers from the north. That is how democracy works. It is an unfortunate truth.
At least Abhisit is smart enough not to actually verbalise his opposition to democracy as a principle. Unlike Suthep, who really believes that the sycophants he meets on the streets of Bangkok are actually representative of the majority of the population.
Suthep and the Dems proposed plutocracy should get the condemnation it deserves.
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I'm just not going for this.
Why?
Mate if you are genuine then I apologise but this is so typical of a story of a bloke being led along. You're going away now for how many months? Why not take her with you? I met my missus here then went back to work and a couple of month's later had a visa for her and she came to stay with me where she has been ever since. We've built a house here and got married and all the stuff (the string is every time we go, a big party and I have a hundred of them for the flight out) but she stays with me. I just don't get the idea of having a relationship where you stay living in separate countries for sometimes years. A proper couple live together.
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I'm just not going for this.
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Paedophilia exists. Kids get cancer and die horribly. There are serial killers and tyrants who murder millions, funnily enough often in "God's" name.
Therefore there cannot be an "omnipotent, omnipresent, benevolent" God.
Man is mortal, we will all die one way or another.
All of the other things you mention are mans evil, they may claim in gods name but it is not gods doing.
We have free will, we cannot blame god for the choices we make. So your point about he cannot exist is wrong and frankly you can never say for sure
Then he is not God. God is (by all religion's definition) "all knowing, all powerful and loves us"
If he allows the actions of an evil man then he either didn't know, didn't care, or was powerless to stop it. Please don't come back with the "evil is actually good" argument and that he did it for our own good. That's absurd. People of faith love to have their cake and eat it, over and over.
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Sorry to disagree, sfbandung. Good cannot exist without evil. This argument leads nowhere. Science and reason can't be used to disprove nor prove the existence of gods. But I'll take a 0.999999999 certainty for this life.
Orosee you missed the critical "omnipotent, omnipresent and benevolent" criteria. If He exists and is all these things then good must exist without evil. If He is not all these things then He is not a God proposed by any of the mainstream religions.
Fun argument. The hilarious thing about religion is it gets its credibility from being incredible.
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Paedophilia exists. Kids get cancer and die horribly. There are serial killers and tyrants who murder millions, funnily enough often in "God's" name.
Therefore there cannot be an "omnipotent, omnipresent, benevolent" God.
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I'm not sure about the laws in the US but even being a around a "proposal" like this if you are Australian, regardless of your physical location, would be very dangerous legally. Apart from the whole concept being loathsome of course.
Best advice above is to run. If you value the ongoing friendship of this clearly amoral individual, then the advice to say, "Absolutely not. Never raise this with me again." is in order.
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Really the UDD/Red Shirts should just keep quiet, if they do come out, it will inevitably play into the oppositions hands as no doubt there will be clashes, deaths and inevitably it will lead to a Coup.
At the moment, they unbelievably in the eyes of many around the world sort of have the moral high ground. Without people knowing all the history, on the face of it, it seems that their democratically elected Government is trying to be overthrown by some loony talking about People's Councils.
What "on the face of it"? That is precisely what is happening.
You cannot propose the ousting of an "illegitimate" democratically elected government and replacing it with something far, far worse.
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In the absolutely unthinkable situation whereby Thailand abandons democracy, as proposed by Suthep, an alternative must be proposed. This alternative must be acceptable to the majority of Thais. Which of course Suthep's model is not. He wants power to himself because he knows best. He says. And I think genuinely believes. It frustrates the hell out of him how ignorant the majority of Thais are. These dopey northern farmers' votes are worth the same as his educated, wealthy elite.
As appalling the excesses of Thaksin were they are far more palatable than a dictatorship. Or a plutocracy, which is exactly what Suthep is proposing.
How ever much it galls him he must embark on the process of educating the electorate and gaining power legitimately.
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Being from the States, Thais have to go through hell to get a visa or even try to get a visa, so I have mixed emotions on this issue.
I'm Australian, and they are the same.
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I always correct her but without ridicule. Her English is still much better than my Thai!
We have fun with mutual difficulties. She was filling out a departure card from Australia and I wasn't traveling with her. She called and wanted to know what "Resident departing temporarily" was. We still laugh at her attempt to pronounce "temporarily". Haven't found a Thai yet who can say it 3 times quickly.
From my point I was trying to get on top of "End of the walkway" in Thai. Which we hear of course endlessly at Swampy. "Sin sut tang Lian". My pronunciation of the last word is always wrong and amuses our Thai friends enormously when I try.
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You can't have "suspended" or "modified" democracy. Democracy is democracy = majority rule. Only a fool would believe that if this utterly ridiculous and non-representative unelected (read appointed by Suthep) "people's council" concept gets up that the red shirts (who still constitute a democratic majority) will stand for it. They will then take to the streets and this will never end.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you choose to dine at Suthep's table, every meal is toxic.
Democracy isn't ONLY majority rule. That is just part of it.
There are many facets to democracy of course and I am a firm believer in the "educated electorate" concept. Which we do not have here. But the dilemma is once you take away the majority bit you no longer have representative government. And what's left is dangerous as the majority will almost certainly revolt.
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You can't have "suspended" or "modified" democracy. Democracy is democracy = majority rule. Only a fool would believe that if this utterly ridiculous and non-representative unelected (read appointed by Suthep) "people's council" concept gets up that the red shirts (who still constitute a democratic majority) will stand for it. They will then take to the streets and this will never end.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you choose to dine at Suthep's table, every meal is toxic.
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It is the people's wish.
The people has spoken.
If Thaksin cares about the people, he should comply.
What a ridiculous thing to say. Which people? A minority of people. Why should the majority comply with the minority?
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That is a fantastic picture of him. Heil Suthep.
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As someone has already pointed out it is quite ironic for the Democrats to not want democracy.
Suthep just wants power. He fears democracy because he can't win.
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Thais as a rule are quite fastidious both in appearance and behaviour. There are exceptions of course but mostly they are clean and courteous.
Maybe I only meet the nice ones.
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Depends what you learnt first of course.
But anecdotal evidence would suggest Thai. I know many Thais who have mastered spoken and written English. My wife for example. Pronunciation is always a difficulty of course. But I know only 1 native English speaker who has mastered both spoken and written Thai.
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It is interesting that Suthep does not talk about what happens after his "people's council" (that he heads up?) is installed. He has made it clear that he does not want fresh elections because the stupid Thai people won't vote for him. So what then?
It is pretty clear that he wants the constitution changed and some form of "alternate democracy" where the ignorant masses of the north have less influence than their educated brothers and sisters in BKK and down south.
No matter how you cook it up if you choose to eat at Suthep's table every dish is toxic.
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Is there anyone on here who can think of a good solution to this ?
It is really very simple.
In a democracy the time between elections is traditionally spent educating the public so that they will vote for the party you prefer and they will win government.
Anything else is anarchy or a dictatorship.
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What an unbelievable waste ...
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Preferably a female a for physical liaisons. For everything else, my mates.
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Lebua. Sub $200 a night. All suites. Great views up the river 50 floors up. If you feel like a splurge have a drink at Skybar.
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Whenever I say to the missus that I should learn more Thai she says, "Much more important for me to get better at English honey. Only speak Thai in Thailand. English everywhere."
Still I am putting in more effort now. So at least I can talk to my in laws, who are good people and have no chance of learning English.
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Heckler tells Abhisit to 'respect my vote'
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Mate I was being sarcastic. Look at my nom de plum. Ban Dung is an hour's drive from Udon in the the heart of Isaan country. I am sitting in my house next to my father in law's rice farm (it's growing tobacco at this time of year though) as we speak and he is every bit the man you describe. So are my wife's brothers and her sisters. I am speaking in their defence.
Cheers, Steve