Bandersnatch

40 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The big question is what's going to happen when EV's loaded with very toxic materials in their batteries need recycling. There are reports already of landfills catching fire, caused by lithium batteries.

Every wondered what happens to the Lead in the Battery of an ICE car?

If you didn't know Lead is very toxic 

"Lead is a naturally occurring toxic metal found in the Earth's crust. Its widespread use has resulted in extensive environmental contamination"

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/lead-poisoning-and-health

BYDs use LiFePO4 in their batteries

"LiFePO4 batteries are non-toxic, non-contaminating and contain no rare earth metals, making them an environmentally conscious choice"

https://www.relionbattery.com/knowledge/how-are-lifepo4-batteries-safer-than-other-lithium-batteries#:~:text=If you're selecting a,them an environmentally conscious choice.

"when the batteries run down, 99 percent of this lead is recycled to make new batteries"

https://e360.yale.edu/features/getting-the-lead-out-why-battery-recycling-is-a-global-health-hazard#:~:text=An estimated 85 percent of,recycled to make new batteries.

Price for Lead: 2,200 USD/MT

Price for Lithium 15,500 USD/MT

99% of the lead in Lead acid batteries is recycled, but you think that Li which is worth 7xs as much is sent to landfill  

I’ve owned a BYD Seal AWD Performance here in Thailand since November last year and love the car.

For some balance here is one of my videos

I started this discussion over 2 years and 7,000 posts ago. My intention was to try and help people considering an EV in Thailand to distinguish the facts from the fiction. 

Most of the contributions have been helpful and supportive from the growing number of EV owners on the forum, however there have been a vocal minority of EV haters who feel that their uninformed opinions are more important that the facts.

So I want to share a little book of EV Myths written by ex Top Gear presenter Quentin Willson:

https://www.faircharge.co.uk/little-book-of-ev-myths

5 hours ago, greg71 said:

Interesting vid about geofencing of ev cars 
https://www.instagram.com/p/C7j0X7zCBBa/?hl=en

You have joined a discussion about Electric Vehicles in Thailand and your contribution is a link to instagram page of an EV hating vet in the UK quoting another EV hater quoting an EVs terms and conditions that he clearly doesn’t understand and you describe this twaddle as “interesting vid” 

3 hours ago, Presnock said:

If I were to buy an EV then first I would buy solar panels to assist in the daily charging.  As high temps daily continue to spread everywhere, A/C use can greatly increase electric bill so I would definitely have an EV that I could charge at home.  Though to tell the truth, I like gasoline hogs but then I am just an old fart anyway and don't know any better.  Good luck to all with whatever...

That’s exactly what I did. I have had solar for 7 years and EVs for over 3 years. It took me that long to persuade the EV dealers in Thailand that I could charge an EV just from solar.  

I don’t have a meter so I don’t get electric bills and I power 2 EVs and an electric motor bike 100% from my home solar.

My latest EV has bi-directional charging so that gives me more backup power for the house

Interesting to compare BYD+Tesla sales in May for Australia and Thailand 

“Tesla faces strong competition in Australia from Chinese manufacturer BYD which set a record in May with the sale of 1914 vehicles, compared to Tesla’s 3567 cars”

https://thedriven.io/2024/06/17/china-versus-tesla-why-australia-is-enjoying-an-electric-vehicle-price-war/

BYD Thai 1,958 Aus 1,914

Tesla Thai 384 Aus 3,567

5 hours ago, marino28 said:

Strong discount for the Byd dolphin 

Dolphin Day!

On 6/18/2024 at 6:17 PM, josephbloggs said:

notice you didn't post the video of the petrol station fire in Pattaya.

There was a fire at a Petrol station in Surin this week,  one of the few that didn’t have any EV charging! 
 

I drove past it yesterday and it was totally gutted. The sooner they are replaced by clean safe EV charging stations the better.  
 

Thailand has some of the worst air pollution in the world they should seriously consider Ultra Low Emission Zones for city centers with financial incentives to help people dump the pump.

19 hours ago, balo said:

 

 

Are you planning to drive with it in Thailand?  Maybe good for Bangkok traffic?  Just make sure the battery will survive the rush hours.  

I drove a Fomm one at the BKK Motor in 2019. At the time I thought it was a lot of car for the money, particularly as it’s also a boat. In recent years there has been increased competition in the sub ฿500,000 EV market.

Seal number plate holder. 

The standard number plate holder is grey - there is no grey on the car unless you have a grey car and it definitely doesn’t match my white one.

The screws holding it together are already rusty and the BYD REVER logo is already fading badly.

There are 4 captive nuts built into the car which is great but only 2 bolts are used on each plate supplemented with some double sided tape at the bottom! Will be ordering 4 more bolts from BYD.

I replaced the holders with white ones to match the car and they have a perspex sheet to protect the number pate from damage.

6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

just anti-Chinese nonsense. Getting very very boring now.

Ignoring the nonsense is the way to go IMHO

https://www.nationthailand.com/business/automobile/40038515#

 

Prior to giving my meter back PEA changed it 5 times thinking it was broken due to the fact that it wasn’t moving.

When I installed solar 7 years ago the main PEA office in my province had no experience with Solar but they were so convinced I was trying to spin my meter backwards (to the exact same reading every month) that they called in the solar team from PEA Korat to inspect my system. I have had 3 inspections over the years. At each meeting I requested a digital meter but it was never installed

I now use my EV instead of PEA as a just in case backup.

22 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

 

The solar system was free?

 

It seems to be in your calculation.

Before you reply it’s best to carefully read the post you are responding to so you don’t waste people’s time explaining the obvious.

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

charged from excess home solar production.

The solar system was installed to remove the need for a PEA connection.

Road Tax, Servicing Costs and Fuel costs for EVs in Thailand

We have already discussed insurance costs for EVs in Thailand and thanks to all those who shared their quotes, do please keep them coming.

The example I will be sharing is my 2023 BYD Seal AWD Performance and I will be comparing it to my previous ICE Car a Mitsibishi Triton 4 door.

Fuel Costs:

The Triton: ฿5,000 per month. The Triton was a thirsty beast. I  should point out that Surin has an excellent 4 lane ring road system with protected left turns at most junction lights, meaning that if you turn left at every junction you never have to stop at any lights. It does mean that you can clock up the miles as nearly all driving is done at highway speeds.

BYD Seal: ฿0 per month. Apart from the first week of ownership when I did some test charges on different chargers I have not paid for any driving as it has been 100% charged from excess home solar production.

Road Tax:

Triton ฿4,761

BYD Seal ฿380

Servicing:

BYD: ฿0 per year

My BYD comes with 8 years of completely free servicing (parts and labour) I have had only one service and it cost nothing. I watched the guy do the service from the customer lounge and it seemed to mainly consist of checking torque setting on some key bolts.

Triton: ฿9,283 per year

Mitsu insisted on 6 monthly servicing to maintain the warranty. You can see from the invoice that the biggest ticket items are #6 + #7 both for engine oil.