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8 hours ago, In the jungle said:
You seem unaware what the L in LFP stands for.
Have you ever seen what Lithium mining looks like?
It is pretty much the poster child for environmental destruction and reduced life expectancy.
You are confusing Lithium with Cobalt, a common misconception among EV haters.Cobalt is not used in BYD batteries but it is used the refinery process for diesel and gasoline.
The biggest exporter of Lithium is Australia
followed by Chile
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9 hours ago, In the jungle said:
So where exactly is the EV battery recycling plant in Thailand?
If you knew anything about EVs in Thailand you would know that EVs didn’t get sold in any volume here until 2019. BYDs come with an 8 year 70% battery warranty.
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23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:That's repurposing, not recycling. When those batteries fail, what then? The composition of a lead- acid battery is simple, EV batteries are not. They are very complex systems.
You are claiming the recycling is profitable, have you actually seen the accounts, profit and loss, balance sheet? My guess would be they are heavily subsidised.
It's news to me compounds such as fluoride, nickel, cobalt, phosphorus, copper and aluminium are not environmentally toxic, kindly post a link that supports your assertion.
This discussion is about BYD - see the title. As I previously posted BYD's LFP batteries aren't toxic (see the link I posted)
32 minutes ago, Lacessit said:kindly post a link that supports your assertion
My replies to you all have links supporting my assertions - you on the other hand are flying "Link-Free"
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42 minutes ago, Lacessit said:
Lead is recycled because it is easy to do so
You already been proved wrong saying the BYDs batteries are toxic and now you claim that recycling is only done "because it is easy to do so" recycling happens because it's economic to do so.
I never claimed EV batteries are easy to recycle in fact they tend to be used in second life applications first
but EV recycling is happening despite you claiming it's too difficult to do.
"EV Battery Recycling Is on the Rise
Globally, EV battery recycling capacity is expanding. Battery cell manufacturers are building recycling facilities on-site or close-to-site. Independent recyclers are starting to invest in their own Li-Ion battery recycling plants. Over the past two years alone, more than 20 companies in the automotive and recycling sectors have announced plans for new partnerships"
https://www.bcg.com/publications/2023/striking-gold-with-ev-battery-recycling
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40 minutes ago, Lacessit said:The big question is what's going to happen when EV's loaded with very toxic materials in their batteries need recycling. There are reports already of landfills catching fire, caused by lithium batteries.
Every wondered what happens to the Lead in the Battery of an ICE car?
If you didn't know Lead is very toxic
"Lead is a naturally occurring toxic metal found in the Earth's crust. Its widespread use has resulted in extensive environmental contamination"
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/lead-poisoning-and-health
BYDs use LiFePO4 in their batteries
"LiFePO4 batteries are non-toxic, non-contaminating and contain no rare earth metals, making them an environmentally conscious choice"
"when the batteries run down, 99 percent of this lead is recycled to make new batteries"
Price for Lead: 2,200 USD/MT
Price for Lithium 15,500 USD/MT
99% of the lead in Lead acid batteries is recycled, but you think that Li which is worth 7xs as much is sent to landfill
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I’ve owned a BYD Seal AWD Performance here in Thailand since November last year and love the car.
For some balance here is one of my videos
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1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:
I saw a white Camry yesterday with a white number plate surround that had weathered to beige. I hope your white surround stays white.
Might have to splash out ฿200 for new one in a couple of years-
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47 minutes ago, DavisH said:
Not relevant results to Tropical climates like Thailand. https://www.evengineeringonline.com/how-does-hot-weather-affect-electric-vehicles/
Did you read the report you referenced?
”Featuring heat pumps, cabin overheat protection, and “dog mode” — a function that safeguards interior temperature for pets when owners are away — Tesla’s maintain cool cabin interiors with minimal impact on battery range”
The BYD Seal features heat pump for cabin and battery cooling.
”Indeed, EV in-cabin AC only minimally impacts range, especially compared to the high-energy demands of winter heating”
The title of this discussion is “BYD Seal tips, tricks and help” and the majority of the posters here own BYD Seals or other BYDs here in Thailand.
Most EV owners would admit that the claimed range, as with all cars, is a bit optimistic, but for BYD Seal owners posting on this discussion the experience is the actual range in Thailand is pretty close to the claimed range.
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BYD Seal Performance 1,000km challenge. If you don’t want to watch the whole video, then watch the last 5 minutes
He did admit that the thumbnail was clickbait!
There was some “rapidgating” down to 100kW from a max of 150kW but he said that most people probably wouldn’t notice.
Only 5 minutes behind the Model 3 LR on a 1,000km trip is nothing to be concerned about in my opinion, particularly as a Model 3 LR in white with alloys is ฿500,000 more that a Seal Performance in Thailand
I don’t rapid charge enough to comment.
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I started this discussion over 2 years and 7,000 posts ago. My intention was to try and help people considering an EV in Thailand to distinguish the facts from the fiction.
Most of the contributions have been helpful and supportive from the growing number of EV owners on the forum, however there have been a vocal minority of EV haters who feel that their uninformed opinions are more important that the facts.
So I want to share a little book of EV Myths written by ex Top Gear presenter Quentin Willson:
https://www.faircharge.co.uk/little-book-of-ev-myths
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5 hours ago, greg71 said:Interesting vid about geofencing of ev cars
https://www.instagram.com/p/C7j0X7zCBBa/?hl=en
You have joined a discussion about Electric Vehicles in Thailand and your contribution is a link to instagram page of an EV hating vet in the UK quoting another EV hater quoting an EVs terms and conditions that he clearly doesn’t understand and you describe this twaddle as “interesting vid”-
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3 hours ago, Presnock said:If I were to buy an EV then first I would buy solar panels to assist in the daily charging. As high temps daily continue to spread everywhere, A/C use can greatly increase electric bill so I would definitely have an EV that I could charge at home. Though to tell the truth, I like gasoline hogs but then I am just an old fart anyway and don't know any better. Good luck to all with whatever...
That’s exactly what I did. I have had solar for 7 years and EVs for over 3 years. It took me that long to persuade the EV dealers in Thailand that I could charge an EV just from solar.
I don’t have a meter so I don’t get electric bills and I power 2 EVs and an electric motor bike 100% from my home solar.
My latest EV has bi-directional charging so that gives me more backup power for the house
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The Thai month abbreviations didn’t get translated very well. So here they are in Thai
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Interesting to compare BYD+Tesla sales in May for Australia and Thailand
“Tesla faces strong competition in Australia from Chinese manufacturer BYD which set a record in May with the sale of 1914 vehicles, compared to Tesla’s 3567 cars”
https://thedriven.io/2024/06/17/china-versus-tesla-why-australia-is-enjoying-an-electric-vehicle-price-war/
BYD Thai 1,958 Aus 1,914Tesla Thai 384 Aus 3,567
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5 hours ago, marino28 said:Strong discount for the Byd dolphin
Dolphin Day!
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On 6/18/2024 at 6:17 PM, josephbloggs said:notice you didn't post the video of the petrol station fire in Pattaya.
There was a fire at a Petrol station in Surin this week, one of the few that didn’t have any EV charging!
I drove past it yesterday and it was totally gutted. The sooner they are replaced by clean safe EV charging stations the better.
Thailand has some of the worst air pollution in the world they should seriously consider Ultra Low Emission Zones for city centers with financial incentives to help people dump the pump.
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19 hours ago, balo said:Are you planning to drive with it in Thailand? Maybe good for Bangkok traffic? Just make sure the battery will survive the rush hours.
I drove a Fomm one at the BKK Motor in 2019. At the time I thought it was a lot of car for the money, particularly as it’s also a boat. In recent years there has been increased competition in the sub ฿500,000 EV market.
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8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:
I paid 25,000 THB for mine, it is my date of birth in the thailand calendar.
In my case กบ is my wife’s nickname.Paid only ฿19k as 4 is not a popular (lucky) number.
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3 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:
Nice number and plate !!I changed mine to black to suit the license plate support also with perspex.
If i remember rightly the plate holder came with 4 screws, so was sorted.
Lucky plates in BKK are bit more expensive than Surin 🫣
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Seal number plate holder.
The standard number plate holder is grey - there is no grey on the car unless you have a grey car and it definitely doesn’t match my white one.
The screws holding it together are already rusty and the BYD REVER logo is already fading badly.
There are 4 captive nuts built into the car which is great but only 2 bolts are used on each plate supplemented with some double sided tape at the bottom! Will be ordering 4 more bolts from BYD.
I replaced the holders with white ones to match the car and they have a perspex sheet to protect the number pate from damage.
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6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:just anti-Chinese nonsense. Getting very very boring now.
Ignoring the nonsense is the way to go IMHO
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42 minutes ago, UWEB said:
This morning I have got the update, downloaded and installed. App has now Vehicle position, but there is a bug as App shows Doors are not locked while they are correct closed and locked.
Saw your post and jumped in the car. No little bell 🔔 icon saying there was an update. Checked for update and it did the usual check for update and back to check for update screen.
Was about to give up when noticed 🔔 had appeared
@UWEB thanks for posting
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2 hours ago, digbeth said:
Words from the sales girls are that the banks are more restrictive to give out loans now, could also explain the shortfall in registration numbers vs bookings numbers claimed at the motorshow
Being able to offer finance is a great way to get a sale on a second hand item.I had a condo for sale @ ฿7m and the agent told me it was too expensive for most buyers.
A couple of weeks later he was showing a guy with ฿3.5m condos that he didn’t like then he showed him mine and explained that ฿3.5m was 50% deposit with 5 years interest free on the balance. He agreed to buy it on the spot.
I would be happy to offer financing when selling a car, my lawyer already has a template contract he could adapt.
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BYD Oh what a feeling, thrown under the bus.
in Thailand Motor Discussion
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You mean you couldn’t have said it more wrong yourself