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40 minutes ago, Lacessit said:The big question is what's going to happen when EV's loaded with very toxic materials in their batteries need recycling. There are reports already of landfills catching fire, caused by lithium batteries.
Every wondered what happens to the Lead in the Battery of an ICE car?
If you didn't know Lead is very toxic
"Lead is a naturally occurring toxic metal found in the Earth's crust. Its widespread use has resulted in extensive environmental contamination"
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/lead-poisoning-and-health
BYDs use LiFePO4 in their batteries
"LiFePO4 batteries are non-toxic, non-contaminating and contain no rare earth metals, making them an environmentally conscious choice"
"when the batteries run down, 99 percent of this lead is recycled to make new batteries"
Price for Lead: 2,200 USD/MT
Price for Lithium 15,500 USD/MT
99% of the lead in Lead acid batteries is recycled, but you think that Li which is worth 7xs as much is sent to landfill
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I’ve owned a BYD Seal AWD Performance here in Thailand since November last year and love the car.
For some balance here is one of my videos
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1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:
I saw a white Camry yesterday with a white number plate surround that had weathered to beige. I hope your white surround stays white.
Might have to splash out ฿200 for new one in a couple of years-
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47 minutes ago, DavisH said:
Not relevant results to Tropical climates like Thailand. https://www.evengineeringonline.com/how-does-hot-weather-affect-electric-vehicles/
Did you read the report you referenced?
”Featuring heat pumps, cabin overheat protection, and “dog mode” — a function that safeguards interior temperature for pets when owners are away — Tesla’s maintain cool cabin interiors with minimal impact on battery range”
The BYD Seal features heat pump for cabin and battery cooling.
”Indeed, EV in-cabin AC only minimally impacts range, especially compared to the high-energy demands of winter heating”
The title of this discussion is “BYD Seal tips, tricks and help” and the majority of the posters here own BYD Seals or other BYDs here in Thailand.
Most EV owners would admit that the claimed range, as with all cars, is a bit optimistic, but for BYD Seal owners posting on this discussion the experience is the actual range in Thailand is pretty close to the claimed range.
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BYD Seal Performance 1,000km challenge. If you don’t want to watch the whole video, then watch the last 5 minutes
He did admit that the thumbnail was clickbait!
There was some “rapidgating” down to 100kW from a max of 150kW but he said that most people probably wouldn’t notice.
Only 5 minutes behind the Model 3 LR on a 1,000km trip is nothing to be concerned about in my opinion, particularly as a Model 3 LR in white with alloys is ฿500,000 more that a Seal Performance in Thailand
I don’t rapid charge enough to comment.
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I started this discussion over 2 years and 7,000 posts ago. My intention was to try and help people considering an EV in Thailand to distinguish the facts from the fiction.
Most of the contributions have been helpful and supportive from the growing number of EV owners on the forum, however there have been a vocal minority of EV haters who feel that their uninformed opinions are more important that the facts.
So I want to share a little book of EV Myths written by ex Top Gear presenter Quentin Willson:
https://www.faircharge.co.uk/little-book-of-ev-myths
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5 hours ago, greg71 said:Interesting vid about geofencing of ev cars
https://www.instagram.com/p/C7j0X7zCBBa/?hl=en
You have joined a discussion about Electric Vehicles in Thailand and your contribution is a link to instagram page of an EV hating vet in the UK quoting another EV hater quoting an EVs terms and conditions that he clearly doesn’t understand and you describe this twaddle as “interesting vid”-
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3 hours ago, Presnock said:If I were to buy an EV then first I would buy solar panels to assist in the daily charging. As high temps daily continue to spread everywhere, A/C use can greatly increase electric bill so I would definitely have an EV that I could charge at home. Though to tell the truth, I like gasoline hogs but then I am just an old fart anyway and don't know any better. Good luck to all with whatever...
That’s exactly what I did. I have had solar for 7 years and EVs for over 3 years. It took me that long to persuade the EV dealers in Thailand that I could charge an EV just from solar.
I don’t have a meter so I don’t get electric bills and I power 2 EVs and an electric motor bike 100% from my home solar.
My latest EV has bi-directional charging so that gives me more backup power for the house
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Interesting to compare BYD+Tesla sales in May for Australia and Thailand
“Tesla faces strong competition in Australia from Chinese manufacturer BYD which set a record in May with the sale of 1914 vehicles, compared to Tesla’s 3567 cars”
https://thedriven.io/2024/06/17/china-versus-tesla-why-australia-is-enjoying-an-electric-vehicle-price-war/
BYD Thai 1,958 Aus 1,914Tesla Thai 384 Aus 3,567
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On 6/18/2024 at 6:17 PM, josephbloggs said:notice you didn't post the video of the petrol station fire in Pattaya.
There was a fire at a Petrol station in Surin this week, one of the few that didn’t have any EV charging!
I drove past it yesterday and it was totally gutted. The sooner they are replaced by clean safe EV charging stations the better.
Thailand has some of the worst air pollution in the world they should seriously consider Ultra Low Emission Zones for city centers with financial incentives to help people dump the pump.
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19 hours ago, balo said:Are you planning to drive with it in Thailand? Maybe good for Bangkok traffic? Just make sure the battery will survive the rush hours.
I drove a Fomm one at the BKK Motor in 2019. At the time I thought it was a lot of car for the money, particularly as it’s also a boat. In recent years there has been increased competition in the sub ฿500,000 EV market.
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8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:
I paid 25,000 THB for mine, it is my date of birth in the thailand calendar.
In my case กบ is my wife’s nickname.Paid only ฿19k as 4 is not a popular (lucky) number.
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Seal number plate holder.
The standard number plate holder is grey - there is no grey on the car unless you have a grey car and it definitely doesn’t match my white one.
The screws holding it together are already rusty and the BYD REVER logo is already fading badly.
There are 4 captive nuts built into the car which is great but only 2 bolts are used on each plate supplemented with some double sided tape at the bottom! Will be ordering 4 more bolts from BYD.
I replaced the holders with white ones to match the car and they have a perspex sheet to protect the number pate from damage.
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6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:just anti-Chinese nonsense. Getting very very boring now.
Ignoring the nonsense is the way to go IMHO
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42 minutes ago, UWEB said:
This morning I have got the update, downloaded and installed. App has now Vehicle position, but there is a bug as App shows Doors are not locked while they are correct closed and locked.
Saw your post and jumped in the car. No little bell 🔔 icon saying there was an update. Checked for update and it did the usual check for update and back to check for update screen.
Was about to give up when noticed 🔔 had appeared
@UWEB thanks for posting
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2 hours ago, digbeth said:
Words from the sales girls are that the banks are more restrictive to give out loans now, could also explain the shortfall in registration numbers vs bookings numbers claimed at the motorshow
Being able to offer finance is a great way to get a sale on a second hand item.I had a condo for sale @ ฿7m and the agent told me it was too expensive for most buyers.
A couple of weeks later he was showing a guy with ฿3.5m condos that he didn’t like then he showed him mine and explained that ฿3.5m was 50% deposit with 5 years interest free on the balance. He agreed to buy it on the spot.
I would be happy to offer financing when selling a car, my lawyer already has a template contract he could adapt.
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Why do Toyota ice cars in Thailand come with automatic fire suppression devices?
I have never seen them included with EVs here perhaps they are not required?
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Prior to giving my meter back PEA changed it 5 times thinking it was broken due to the fact that it wasn’t moving.
When I installed solar 7 years ago the main PEA office in my province had no experience with Solar but they were so convinced I was trying to spin my meter backwards (to the exact same reading every month) that they called in the solar team from PEA Korat to inspect my system. I have had 3 inspections over the years. At each meeting I requested a digital meter but it was never installed
I now use my EV instead of PEA as a just in case backup.
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22 minutes ago, In the jungle said:The solar system was free?
It seems to be in your calculation.
Before you reply it’s best to carefully read the post you are responding to so you don’t waste people’s time explaining the obvious.1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:charged from excess home solar production.
The solar system was installed to remove the need for a PEA connection.
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Road Tax, Servicing Costs and Fuel costs for EVs in Thailand
We have already discussed insurance costs for EVs in Thailand and thanks to all those who shared their quotes, do please keep them coming.
The example I will be sharing is my 2023 BYD Seal AWD Performance and I will be comparing it to my previous ICE Car a Mitsibishi Triton 4 door.
Fuel Costs:
The Triton: ฿5,000 per month. The Triton was a thirsty beast. I should point out that Surin has an excellent 4 lane ring road system with protected left turns at most junction lights, meaning that if you turn left at every junction you never have to stop at any lights. It does mean that you can clock up the miles as nearly all driving is done at highway speeds.
BYD Seal: ฿0 per month. Apart from the first week of ownership when I did some test charges on different chargers I have not paid for any driving as it has been 100% charged from excess home solar production.
Road Tax:
Triton ฿4,761
BYD Seal ฿380
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BYD: ฿0 per year
My BYD comes with 8 years of completely free servicing (parts and labour) I have had only one service and it cost nothing. I watched the guy do the service from the customer lounge and it seemed to mainly consist of checking torque setting on some key bolts.
Triton: ฿9,283 per year
Mitsu insisted on 6 monthly servicing to maintain the warranty. You can see from the invoice that the biggest ticket items are #6 + #7 both for engine oil.
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BYD Oh what a feeling, thrown under the bus.
in Thailand Motor Discussion
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You already been proved wrong saying the BYDs batteries are toxic and now you claim that recycling is only done "because it is easy to do so" recycling happens because it's economic to do so.
I never claimed EV batteries are easy to recycle in fact they tend to be used in second life applications first
but EV recycling is happening despite you claiming it's too difficult to do.
"EV Battery Recycling Is on the Rise
Globally, EV battery recycling capacity is expanding. Battery cell manufacturers are building recycling facilities on-site or close-to-site. Independent recyclers are starting to invest in their own Li-Ion battery recycling plants. Over the past two years alone, more than 20 companies in the automotive and recycling sectors have announced plans for new partnerships"
https://www.bcg.com/publications/2023/striking-gold-with-ev-battery-recycling