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16 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As for re-sale values say goodbye to your Baht.

 more “ignorance signaling” 

Doesn’t own an EV but claims to be an expert on the second hand EV market in Thailand.

Doesn’t bother to post any evidence to backup his claims 

1 hour ago, Hellfire said:

It only means that the Thais (mostly naive people not interested in reading books and learning from the past) are more susceptible to the tech hype than the Europeans (mostly interested in history and greedy). Just give them some more time. 

 

So your theory is that Thais are naive, uneducated and susceptible to tech hype.

My theory is that EVs are cheaper here in Thailand than in Europe so represent better value for money.

1 hour ago, tomazbodner said:

Aha...https://thethaiger.com/news/national/week-old-electric-car-worth-over-a-million-baht-unexpectedly-catches-fire-at-udon-thani-mall-charging-point

 

That was just to set record straight. Personally, I like BYD Seal... a lot.

 

This case is well know in the EV community. It was a small electrical fire not a traction battery fire.

A battery fire in an EV happens under the car.

An electrical fire happens under the bonnet.

42 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

An interesting video is linked but here's a screen shot of BYD quality.

China Observer is a notorious Anti China channel. No sensible person would rely on it for information about EVs available here in Thailand.

Unlike you I own a BYD EV and the quality is excellent. I am also on several Thai BYD groups and can confirm there has not been one single BYD explosion or significant fire here.

52 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Who cares. What's the point. What about the more you do 0 to 100 in 4 seconds the less range you get and charging will be needed sooner with charging for most people with EV's requiring fossil fuels to make the electricity.

Many EV owners on AN make some or in my case all of their EV power from solar. It is very easy to do here here in Sunny Thailand that’s why I don’t have a grid connection.

12 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Are Chinese EVs really that cheap? Many stories now are that China sells its EVs abroad at double the price they sell for in China.

There is a price war going on in China right now so prices there can’t be compared to other markets. Here in Thailand prices are cheaper than Europe. My top of the range BYD Seal is cheaper than an equivalent Honda Accord or Toyota Camry and has way better performance and specs which would explain the better sales figures 

Rained all day yesterday and most of today. I don’t have a grid connection as I power the house and my EVs from solar. My BYD Seal has the equivalent of 6 tesla power walls of backup power so I plugged it into my solar system and it fully powered my house.

The rainstorm has meant the grid has been down for several hours.

Most discussions on AN have a lifespan of only a few days. No matter how interesting the discussion is they quickly get swamped by Trolls and Ultracrepidarians. The worst offenders seem to have opinions on every subject. 

Empty vessels make the most noise... Plato

Start a discussion about green technology or climate change and you bring out the haters. How many EV haters have we seen here that introduce themselves with the well worn phrase “I’m not an EV hater but…”

Having locked horns with quite a few over the years a common picture appears:

A rudimentary understanding of science, which leads to an inability to understand how new technology works. Due to an inability to follow the scientific method they are left with only one choice and that is to accept without question what their favorite media outlet says on the subject. 

Due to an extremely short spell in education they never had to submit research papers and so they have no familiarity with how citations work. They are not “standing on the shoulders of giants“ but simple regurgitating the popular phrases that they have heard and cannot defend them as they have no fundamental understanding of what they are saying.

”of course the future is H2, EVs will soon be gone”

challenging a comment like this or submitting evidence of closing H2 filling stations around the world is a waste of time when you dealing with a closed mind.

So that brings us to this discussion “Electric Vehicles in Thailand” at 6,400 comments it has more comments that any other discussion in the Thailand Motor Discussion achieved in only a couple of years.

Several failed attempts to start an EV discussion led @KhunLA to create the https://aseannow.com/topic/1246109-ice-vs-ev-the-debate-thread/ which meant we had a discussion that we could direct people to who wanted to discuss  EVs in general and it has proved to be a very popular discussion in it’s own right. There was already an anti-China car discussion  https://aseannow.com/topic/1235921-why-so-many-chinese-cars-mg-cars-do-people-only-care-to-buy-something-cheap-whatever-is-the-quality/ So we were able to create a very narrowly focussed discussion about EVs in Thailand.

A big thanks to the Mods for deleting posts that try to hijack the thread.

EVs are popular in Thailand with nearly 11% of all vehicles registered in 2023 being full EVs and people want a discussion where they can find out the latest models and user experiences here in Thailand.

I know people see “EVs” and just want to launch into a tirade of vitriol, but expect to be challenged and suffer criticism if you post anything stupid. Off-topic posts will be reported and removed. 

As OP I will quickly block the worst offenders as I am done arguing with fools. 

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

Tesla’s on display at Mega Bangna

I wasted an afternoon in BKK looking for the Tesla Store, which is even to this day still recorded on the official website as at Siam Paragon

instead of  7/1 Ramkhamhaeng Rd, Khwaeng Saphan Sung, Khet Saphan Sung, Bangkok 10240. 

Good job Tesla  - have only one physical store in whole country of Thailand and make sure your official website sends people to a random shopping center instead. 

6 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

I would definitely classify this as a car fire

I remember when this happened, it was discussed at length on the Thai Seal Forums. 
 

My concern about calling this an EV fire 🔥 is that we have to define our terms first.
 

Thanks to sensational news media most people’s understanding of an EV fire is that if you drive over a twig in the road in an EV the car is an instant fireball killing the occupants before they have time to escape. 
 

Is that what happened here? No, both occupants walked away not seriously harmed from a very serious road accident.

So what about the fire? LFP Cathodes will smoke and off-gas if ruptured with very little temperature increase. We certainly see smoke and a tiny amount of flame.
 

Personally I think BYD should be using this crash in their publicity materials because it shows just how safe their cars are. 
 

Was this an EV fire as most people understand an EV fire to be? Not in my opinion. 
 

2 hours ago, dhupverg said:

Speaking of video, here's an interesting video about how unsafe Chinese EV's are…..

Who are these people?

They jump into a 6,000+ comment discussion without reading any previous posts, totally ignoring the title of the discussion or the OPs opening remarks about what the discussion is about.

Then post a link to a racist anti-China video. Announce that EVs from China are unsafe without the first bloody clue what they are talking about

How many Chinese do you own? None obviously.

How many have you driven? None obviously.

So how the hell does that make you an objective arbiter on the safety of Chinese EVs.

I own 2 Chinese EVs and have driven several more. Why do they get 5* euro NCAP ratings because they are unsafe?

You might think you are welcome to you own (uniformed) opinions but you’re not welcome here until you have read my opening post, where you find links to anti china and anti EV discussions where you be welcomed with open arms.

No meter = No bill.

We power the house and the cars with solar.

36 minutes ago, at15 said:

Put your face directly in front of a running microwave oven and thats what your doing when driving an electric vehicle. No sane individual would do that.

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