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1 hour ago, Georgealbert said:

also asked a mechanic to upgrade the battery system to increase its wattage, allowing for longer usage and greater travel distances. As he was driving home, white smoke began to pour from the battery. He

Don’t do DIY modifications on your electric bike  - should be bloody obvious.

I have owned a made in Thailand Deco electric bike for a couple of years and never had a problem with it 

https://decogreenenergy.com/olddeco/index.php/en/

Deco's are all LFP batteries, and yet to have one reported fire on the Deco FB group, with 1000s being sold in TH

China, the world’s largest auto market is now over 50% electric.

What effect is this having on foreign brands?

Assembled in Thailand BYD Sealion 6 DM-i (Plug-in Hybrid) : Launches in Thailand at ฿939,900 

When comparing Sealion 6 DM-i with C-Segment SUVs in the same group and nearby

• BYD Sealion 6 : 4,775 x 1,890 x 1,670 mm. | Wheelbase 2,765 mm.
• Honda CR-V : 4,694 x 1,864 x 1,692 mm. | Wheelbase 2,700 mm.
• Haval H6 : 4,653 x 1,886 x 1,724 mm. | Wheelbase 2,738 mm.

DM-i Super Plug-in Hybrid

1.5-liter gasoline engine with 98 horsepower, 122 Newton meters, working together with a single electric motor with 197 horsepower, 300 Newton meters.

When the engine works together with the electric motor, the maximum power is 218 horsepower, 300 Newton meters, driving the front wheels, Blade Battery size 18.3 kWh.

Acceleration 0-100 km/h within 8.5 seconds

Electric-only running distance: 95 km. (NEDC)

AC alternating current supports 6.6 kW

DC current supports 18 kW

Power supply system for external devices V2L – Vehicle to Load

5 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

But what is not considered in above calculations is "charging losses/efficiencey"....that is, 82.5KWH of energy flowing from your charger does not result in 82.5KWH of energy making it into the battery.   Like my BYD Atto has a charing efficiency of 91.5%....I expect the the Seal on board charger/battery have about the same 91.5%.  

 

The 580Km NEDC rating is not real world unless you are driving around in a temperature of approx 20C year round, not using the car's air conditioner, and driving like a little ol' lady at 50KM/H.   I expect your real world mileage per full tank of electrons is under 500Km.

 

Also, the 2.6369 per KWH is off peak Time of Use (TOU) basic rate and does not include the Fuel Traiff (Ft), 7% tax, and meter fee.   Addtionally, I expect a lot...probably most folks....do not have TOU service and just use a non-TOU service at regular rates....just part of their total household electricity bill.  When considering the total cost per KWH (i.e., basic rate, Ft, tax, fees, etc) as an incremental additional to their total household cost per KWH, the cost is going to be more like Bt5/KWH.

 

 

You are absolutely right @Pib 

I simplified the calculations to make it easier for a non EV driver to follow

1 hour ago, KannikaP said:

Let's do it for someone without solar, charging from PEA at about Bht 4 per kWh unit.

My BYD Seal Performance AWD has an indicated range when full of 580km on an 82.5kW (net) battery = 7km/kWh 

Many without solar charge with cheap overnight electric

฿2.6369 per kWh 

฿2.6369 @ 7km per kWh = 

฿0.37 per km

23 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

So can you charge a car which has the rectifier gobbins built into the car from a DC station?

Need to know as I am thinking down the EV path.

And does a self charging hybrid run only on petrol?

Nearly all new EVs have DC fast charging, except for some micro EVs and some PHEVs.

”self charging” is Toyota speak for hybrid. The tiny 1kWh battery is charged by regenerative breaking. They can’t be plugged in or they would be Plug in Hybrids, so petrol provides all the power. 

JAECOO 6 EV 100% electric car, 69.8 kWh battery, runs 470 km. Launched in Thailand in 2024 by Chery, will be launched as a right-hand drive vehicle in Thailand first.

Interesting documentary about EV’s in Thailand from Singapore’s Channel News Asia (video is 22 minutes)

1 hour ago, mistral53 said:

Anybody already installed the digital key?

 

I am not using Android 14 on my old Huawei........probably a good excuse to get a new phone........lol

2 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

I did not hijack your thread

But you posted 

4 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

all of the recent videos being posted in China about EV batteries catching fire

I started this discussion for EVs in Thailand not to discuss videos posted in China - start your own discussion.

2 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

appreciate your links sent but honestly I do not read rags

You provided no links so your uniformed opinions are worthless as you have no direct experience of EVs sold in Thailand. 

You claimed “that there is considerable risk to fires” but provided no evidence. You dismissed all the links I provided stating the opposite as you think you know better.

2 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

then you have to consider more about the power needs in Thailand are not being met without so many EVs using rolling blackouts in some regions to make sure they have enough electric

Yet again you demonstrate considerable ignorance of the EV situation in Thailand.

There is excess power in Thailand at night that’s why many EV owners charge at night using half price electricity.

In my case I power 2 EVs an electric motorbike and my house 100% from solar. Unlike you I’ve not had a power cut in over 6 years.

My main point is you turn up at a discussion that has nearly 8,000 posts with zero knowledge or experience of owning a EV in Thailand and start posting uniformed rubbish. So don’t be surprised when you get called out on it. 

You will find that your opinions are far more welcome here:

https://aseannow.com/topic/1246109-ice-vs-ev-the-debate-thread/

1 hour ago, thesetat2013 said:

Given all of the recent videos being posted in China about EV batteries catching fire. You may want to wait a few years before considering buying one. I have been watching China social media content recently and there are many cases coming out now showing these batteries literally spitting flames out and even fire departments were unable to douse the flames. 

This topic is “electric vehicles in Thailand” not “EVs in China”

If you want to start your own discussion please do so but don’t hijack this one.

We have busted the myth about China EV fires many times, but you couldn’t be bothered to check before posting  - what a time waster!

There are several Anti China channels that are happy to post anything that makes China look bad, they are not EV experts and clearly don’t know the difference between an EV a HEV or a PHEV. Most of the fires I have seen have been in PHEVs.

We restrict this topic to Thailand only as it much easier to fact check what is posted about Thailand.

Most new EVs have moved away from NMC Cathode Chemistry to LFP which far safer and what we recommend here. Having said that all EVs are far less lightly to catch fire than ICE vehicles.

Thanks to @JBChiangRai (I think) for posting this previously.

Fire

The figures are how often a car with an ICE engine under the bonnet catches fire compared to a pure EV, figures are per 100,000 sales so are harmonised to the fact there are more ICE vehicles on the road.
 
Sweden 147 times more likely (3400/23)
Petrol and diesel cars 20 times more likely to catch fire than EVs (thedriven.io)

https://thedriven.io/2023/05/16/petrol-and-diesel-cars-20-times-more-likely-to-catch-fire-than-evs/

 
Singapore 118 times more likely (356/3)
EV fire cases rise with growing adoption of such cars | The Straits Times
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/ev-fire-cases-rise-with-growing-adoption

Australia 98 times more likely (393/4)
Electric vehicle fires are very rare. The risk for petrol and diesel vehicles is at least 20 times higher (theconversation.com)

https://theconversation.com/electric-vehicle-fires-are-very-rare-the-risk-for-petrol-and-diesel-vehicles-is-at-least-20-times-higher-213468

 
America 199 times more likely (5004/25.1)
Government data show gasoline vehicles are up to 100x more prone to fires than EVs | Electrek
https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/government-data-shows-gasoline-vehicles-are-significantly-more-prone-to-fires-than-evs/

UK:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/20/do-electric-cars-pose-a-greater-fire-risk-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles

39 minutes ago, Johno57 said:

Too damn expensive and resale value ridiculous, so why even think about it, this battery car scam will disappear within a couple of years, and the world will rejoice...

Welcome to the discussion @Johno57 here at EVs in Thailand we prefer facts over opinions, particularly if those opinions uniformed.

”Too damn expensive” - not sure what your budget is John, but if you could if could afford a new car then a Suzuki Swift is normally considered a cheap car. Anything cheaper would be considered very cheap.

“resale value ridiculous”

This one I have to agree with you. The prices of second hand EVs need to come down in price, they should at least be cheaper than new cars.

“this battery car scam will disappear within a couple of years, and the world will rejoice”

Not sure where you’re getting information from John, perhaps you can post a link.

I’ve had solar batteries for 6 years and EVs for 4 and the don’t see them as a scam as I don’t have a PEA bill or fuel bill - doesn’t sound like a scam to me.

As for EVs disappearing in a couple of years that doesn’t agree with rising sales of EV stats I posted above.

We keep getting told that EV sales are collapsing and that the EV boom is over. Legacy manufacturers are going back to manufacturing hybrids, even if Toyota’s case they will probably be made by BYD.

BYD’s Sealion 6 DM-i Plug-in Hybrid is set to launch in Thailand on August 8, 2024 Manufactured in Thailand.

PHEVs are a gateway to full EV ownership and bigger battery variants can be driven as EVs for all but road trips.

In Europe there is currently a boom in EV sales of Chinese cars

“Chinese EVs Nab Record 11% Share in Europe Ahead of Tariffs”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-29/china-electric-car-brands-mg-byd-grab-record-europe-market-share

EV sales in Thailand for Jan-June 2024 were ahead of the same period last year, the same can’t be said of Pickups sales.

13 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Perhaps the buyer wants to not worry about recharging.

I have never worried about charging an EV in Thailand.  I own 2 EVs and been driving EVs for years here, but what would you know about charging an EV in Thailand? You've clearly never done it.

15 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Perhaps they want to actually get something for it if the sell it in 10 years time.

If Dealers are selling 10 year old Accords and Camrys for less than ฿400k, what do you think you will get on a trade in 

18 minutes ago, DavisH said:

I warn you - sell your EV before the battery warranty expires. They are not meant to be driven beyond 10 years. This is not a durable Japanese product. 

The words of an EV expert 

5 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

That is if you find a high speed charger that works, is compatible with your car, and there is no queue  😅

In addition to the thousands of public EV chargers available in Thailand, BYD have over 100 dealerships that all have chargers.
 

You can see the status of the chargers and book them in advance through the BYD app.