5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Actually, that observation has me wondering why EV sales are falling. Perhaps you could explain the phenomenon.

As always no citations, so no facts just badly informed opinions. 

Global electric car sales rose 31% in 2023

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/global-electric-car-sales-rose-31-2023-rho-motion-2024-01-11/

Phenomenon explained

15 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Do you have a problem with basic math?

You’re the one who thinks that this graph shows demand for Li wildly exceeding supply

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It takes about a minute to pull up the data I posted, on Google. Look for yourself.

I spend far too much of my time already fact checking the rubbish posted here by EV haters.

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I'd say your response is more an emotional one, to unpalatable facts.

You didn't post any facts just unsupported opinions 

Paint - there are links to Lazada and Shopee further back in the discussion, but if anybody can't find them, I will dig them out tomorrow.

I bought 2 versions.

Big pot of good quality thick paint that didn't match the colour of the Seal - too cream 

Small pen good colour match but very thin and watery

Colour match  - big blob from big pot, small blobs from the pen

Paint wait 24 hours and polish 

Before

First run:

I have to repeat a few times 

42 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You want facts, here are some:

 

Market share of EV's is about 14% of new sales worldwide. ICE's are still 86%.

 

PROJECTED tonnage of lithium mined in 2023 is 170,000 tonnes.

 

On average, each EV takes about 60 kg of lithium to build the battery. Teslas take a fair bit more.

 

Therefore, there was enough lithium to build 2.9 million EV's in 2023.

 

The world population of cars is 1.47 billion. I am using the convention of 1 billion = 1000 million.

 

In 2023, new EV's ( assuming they were all sold ) replaced existing ICE's by 0.2%.

 

Which is why I am ridiculing the claim EV's will replace ICE's. It will probably take 50 years, assuming hydrogen does not get a start. Toyota seems to think it will.

Again with no supporting citations.

I have already explained lithium supply is currently matching demand if it wasn't prices would be going up not down.

Don't forget competing Sodium-ion batteries, JAC and BYD are already using them.

Don't get me started on how uneconomic H2 is.

When I make power from my solar system to put in my electric car there is some small efficiency loss due to the inversion process, but over 90% of the energy ends up in my car. 
 
With the current best commercial electrolyzers, green hydrogen's efficiency is around 30%, which means 70% of the renewable energy put into producing green hydrogen is lost.

Toyota keeps making promises about it's Mirai but you can't buy it here. Then where will you fill it up? Thailand has no public H2 filling stations.

There are currently taking H2 station out in Europe nobody is adding new ones.

On 1/6/2024 at 9:53 AM, JBChiangRai said:

I haven't checked, but I suspect the nose cone is plastic

Was at the dealer today to pickup my white plates  - asked about the plastic and the service guy said yes front and back pieces are plastic. 

Next stop was PPF shop

180 micron 3yr warranty 6 monthly inspection and full polish
฿28,000 - front half of the car not glass roof
฿56,000 -  whole car not glass roof plus interior trim

190 micron 4yr  warranty 6 monthly inspection and full polish
฿38,000 - front half of the car not glass roof
฿63,000 - whole car not glass roof plus interior trim

Thinking I will go for the 190 micron 4yr  warranty whole car

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The latest example is Carbon Capture and Storage ( CCS ). There is not a single plant on the planet that is operating to specification. It's a hoax.

Finally something I agree with

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Some folks are doing the math, and concluding the extra cost of an EV does not warrant the risk.

The cheapest EV in Thailand is the Neta, at 549K baht. The Mitsubishi Attrage is 529 K, so they are comparable. Other EV's are considerably more expensive

What is not known is the after-sales service and resale price of a Neta 5 years down the track. OTOH, Mitsubishi make good if somewhat under-rated vehicles. The brand is a known quantity.

I bought my wife a Suzuki Swift to learn to drive in, (her choice not mine) it was a god awful car, very rough ride and every bump went straight through you. After a year she had passed her test and we tried to get shot of the swift. We had paid ฿550,000 for the car new and after six months of trying to sell it we finally accepted ฿320,000. So don't tell me EVs make bad investments and ICE cars are great.

21 hours ago, digger70 said:

Don't have  to wait at the servo station for Fuel and don't have to Plan ahead and booking for a chance to get Fuel and wasting time for charging a EV.

Fossil thinking. 

Do you know exactly how much fuel is in your vehicle right now? Of course you don’t, but I do. Do you have an app on your phone to check? Of course you don’t, but I do. 

You only know how much fuel you have when you actually start it up and get a slap from your wife when she sees it’s empty - again! 

“I told you to fill it up and that I had an appointment this morning. Now we are going to be late” You are probably thinking that you might be able to fill up on the way home, but that’s what you thought yesterday and you forgot - again. Now who’s going to have range anxiety on a local trip!

I always leave the house with 600km of range. I put it on charge when I get back home and get a notification on my watch when it’s done.

28 minutes ago, retarius said:

I'm not looking to buy any EV though, if I were to buy anything I would buy a Toyota hybrid model....I wonder how their numbers stack up against these EV brand sales?

I haven’t seen figures for December yet, but for comparison these are Best Selling passenger vehicles of all types in November. BYD Dolphin, Atto 3, and Neta V are fully electric 

2 minutes ago, retarius said:

 

I have only started seeing Tesla's on the road in this past year, so maybe they entered the market late.

Tesla started selling in Thailand in December 2022 (not counting grey imports from Hong Kong)

In the chart posted by Pib above there are Tesla sales in all months of 2023, but at low level compared to Australia where they were sold quite a bit cheaper.
 

Tesla dropped prices in all markets several times in 2023 but only reduced prices in Thailand in October 2023 after the launch of the BYD Seal here which attracted 1,000 orders in the first hour after launch.

Just posted a new topic in the Thailand Motor Discussion 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1316537-1-in-4-vehicles-registered-in-december-in-thailand-was-a-fully-electric/

EV registrations in Thailand December 2023 total 9,258 cars. Breaking the highest record!
 

25.34% of all cars 

BYD Dolphin Reigning Champion followed by NETA V then BYD Seal

Anybody considered an Android Box which would give you wireless carplay and apps. There are 2 versions of the Carlinkit one with ambient light and one without. Then you choose Android 11 or 13 and then how much ROM and RAM you want. Best results would be to use your own data sim or you could use the hotspot from your phone. I'm still deciding.

https://www.carlinkit.com/tbox-plus

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/local-carlinkit-tbox-wireless-carplay-ai-box-android-13-wireless-android-auto-adapter-sim-wifi-gps-8128g-for-head-unit-with-carplay-i4817050852-s19985438938.html?

On 1/6/2024 at 5:16 PM, retarius said:

My IQ puts me in the top 0.5% of people

Let’s put that to the test shall we?

On 1/6/2024 at 4:58 PM, retarius said:

and we don't even know what awful ecological damage and costs will be to replace batteries at the end of their life

You haven’t thought this through have you.
 

Let’s consider a battery you might actually know something about such as the Lead Acid battery in your ice vehicle. Lead is pretty toxic stuff so what happens to old lead acid batteries, by your logic they all end up in landfill contaminating the water supply. In fact in the USA (country chosen due to available data) 99% of old Lead Acid Batteries are recycled.

Lead is worth $2,000 / ton while Lithium is worth $29,000 / ton. Yet you think Lithium batteries won’t be recycled but instead create  “awful ecological damage”

Purely on economic terms your logic is flawed.
 

8 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

How did you get on with the touch up @Bandersnatch ?, i have done it in the past with far from satisfactory results but once it is hidden then it is forgotten.

I keep putting it off as I'm worried I'll only make it worse. But you're right "once it is hidden then it is forgotten"

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

I suspect the nose cone is plastic and in the post with peeling plaint

This is a logical explanation as the damage to my car is exactly the same place.

BYD Seal Paint/Wrap

I know I’ve mentioned this a couple of times, but I consider this the only real shortcoming of the car. I am just not sure what to do about it. 
 

PPF gets mixed reviews. I have touch up paint, but that is not a solution for a situation like the one below. Any suggestions?