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Japan says China’s EV boom in Thailand is a huge threat to its auto market 
 

1 hour ago, LivinLOS said:

cant imagine any electric battery holding up long term

Based upon your extensive experience owning EVs over the past few decades?

or is that just your uniformed opinion?

3 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

I 'took the gamble' and don't mind being questioned on it.

 

18 months later I'm as happy with my EV

For me it wasn’t a gamble, I knew I had excess solar power in the middle of the day and could charge 2 EVs for free.

Buying my second EV with bi-directional charging, meant I had enough backup power to dump my PEA meter.

No fuel bills and no electricity bills didn’t sound like much of a gamble to me.

Charging my EVs for free:

1 minute ago, bkk6060 said:

Most people who have them wish they did not

I bought a second one and then an electric motor bike.

Damn, I keep forgetting I don’t like them.

Just now, WHansen said:

The way you're fighting the EV corner seems like you've bought one of the pieces of c*** and are trying to justify the mistake to yourself 😂

The problem for EV owners trying to have discussions with EV haters is that they have to spend the whole time fact checking the unsubstantiated rubbish that’s posted.

Case in point, your post.
 

Your opinion was based upon owning how many EVs?

Ok, so how many have you actually driven? 
 

Have you even sat in one then?

Not exactly an expert witness then are you.

Many of the replies here clearly failed to read the title. This is about Premium EV sales and sources quoted are from BMW.

Many replies assume all EV sales are down in Thailand when in fact comparing the first 6 months of 2023 and 2024, EV sales are up.

ICE sales are down particularly pickups

“Pickups and pickup passenger vehicles took a big hit. In March, pure pickup sales dropped by 45.2%, and pickup passenger vehicles by 46.6%”

https://thethaiger.com/guides/automotive/thailand-automotive-sales-in-2024

30 minutes ago, CharlesHolzhauer said:

Thanks for the recommendation, this certainly would take out the importation issue. 

What is your opinion on GEL type batteries?

I had deep cycle gel batteries in my first solar setup 7 years ago and they still have some life in them.

If you want to hear more about their story and why I now have LFP instead watch this video

3 hours ago, CLW said:

And you want to tell me that a 10 kW PV system is feasible for this case? Like I said, 15 years ROI

To avoid confusion 
 

The formula for ROI is: (profit minus cost) / cost, expensed as a percentage.

The formula for Payback is: initial investment / annual savings, expressed in years

In your circumstances, having a small electric bill and not being at home much makes solar a marginal decision at best but I still dispute the 15 years payback as any solar system can be scaled to match the load.

1 hour ago, CharlesHolzhauer said:

How about individuals who have a solar-powered home installation but don't have an EV? What type of batteries are they using when the sun isn't shining, particularly at night?

My solar system has LFP batteries, which are the same chemistry as my BYD Seal. I imported them from China, but in recent years you can now buy similar batteries in Thailand.
 

Regarding using old EV batteries for home use, in Thailand there are just not enough of them available yet. Thailand only started ramping up EV sales in 2019

If you are able to find one you have 2 choices currently, either dismantle the battery to gain access to the individual cells to make a new battery or find a way to communicate with the battery as a pack, bearing in mind many of the components you will need are probably still in the donor car

Many of these problems have already been solved for older cars like the Nissan Leaf (which didn’t sell well in Thailand)

3 hours ago, CharlesHolzhauer said:

wonder why none of the esteemed solar/EV/battery experts represented in either this Alternative/Renewable Energy Forum or the Electric Vehicles in Thailand Forum have commented on using EV batteries for solar home installations.

This is my setup:

The Nissan Leaf, one of the first EVs that you could buy in Thailand is being phased out resulting in some in some excellent deals as Nissan trys to clear stock. 

Case in point, you can lease an Nissan Leaf in the US for $20/month

So I popped over to the Nissan Thailand website to see what was on offer here.

First for some context, Nissan launched the 40kWh Leaf in Thailand for ฿2m back in 2018, when it didn’t sell the price was cut in half 

I was thinking maybe Nissan Thailand would drop the price to ฿500,000 but with CHAdeMO and no active thermal battery management, you could argue that the 40kWh Neta V would still be a better choice.

Turns out Nissan Thailand have actually put the price up 

Seal tire repair.

Living in Thailand this is the sort of the job I will never do myself ever again.

On 7/19/2024 at 2:12 PM, CLW said:

Unless you can sell the electricity, solar is not financially feasible in Thailand. For the investment cost you could use grid power for approximately 15 years. 

Still waiting for a breakdown of your calculations for 15 year payback for solar 

You claim to have an EV, but no details offered as to which one.

Let me help you with your calculations

I make a saving on my previous PEA bill and powering my EVs of ฿8k a month let’s assume you save half that

฿4k x 180 months = ฿720,000

So your solar system would have to cost you ฿720,000!

Let’s assume you get a quote for a 10:10:10 system

Main Components would cost 
10,000 Watts of PV @ ฿5/W = ฿50,000
10kWh Batteries @ ฿5k/kWh = ฿50,000
10kW of Inversion @ ฿5k/kW = ฿50,000
Total = ฿150,000

to which you have to add ancillary items like cables, rails, clamps, breakers, combiner boxes plus fitting

A supply and fit quote would include mark up on your components as well but even so we are nowhere near ฿720,000

I’m calling bs on your 15 years payback

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I had an electrician fit some automatic transfer switches so I can run my refrigerator, lights, TV & Air Conditioning in my bedroom and the Water Pump from my car.

 

I will sell my 28.8KwHr of LFP batteries as using the car is a much more elegant & cheaper solution.

Nice setup.

I have found that my BYD Seal is much more efficient at providing backup power than my home solar setup.

1 hour ago, digger70 said:

Yes ,like I said before  Starting with the EV'S the Electricity the  prices will go Up and Up  It's all about Demand and Supply and Greed .

The electric providers Love it .

Now they have to provide More Electricity ,That could be a problem if there are Too many EV'S too Quick to use the Electricity.

Did you read any of the earlier posts before posting?

Thailand makes too much power at night that's why they sell it at half price. Most EV owners either have solar or a TOU meter.

1 hour ago, digger70 said:

More Power stations . Coal /Gas / Oil/ Nuclear ,  Solar isn't going to cut it.

You clearly don't understand levelized cost of electricity by source. If you did, then you would know that Solar and Wind are the cheapest. Crying for "Coal /Gas / Oil/ Nuclear" will put everyone's bill up.

"Solar isn't going to cut it" in the tropics? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

1 hour ago, CLW said:

Unless you can sell the electricity, solar is not financially feasible in Thailand

In addition: self consumption will always provide better value than selling back to the grid unless Thailand changes it’s feed-in rates to allow arbitrage like in the UK

Unfortunately this is unlikely as the current flat rate ฿2.2 feed-in scheme has been closed to new customers apparently due to lack of money!