Bandersnatch

7 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

People can figure things out for themselves

They can figure out that someone who never post any evidence to backup their claims is a BS merchant.

8 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

Unless they're desperately delusional & arrogant EVangelists.

I am not an EV evangelist. I have said many times that EVs are not for everyone.

Someone like yourself who has yet to master the ability to use Google to check their facts before posting, well let’s just say that you would find EV charging apps a bit of a challenge.

2 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

I guess this disproves this statement from another ev OP... "We EV owners are not arrogant at all."

Why don’t you read the 5,000+ comments in this discussion and you will soon discern a pattern.
 

When the discussion is between EV owners or EV owners and those considering EV ownership, the discussion is civil and friendly.

Then when EV Haters arrive with their ignorance and lies the tone changes. 
 

Why don’t you stick to your discussions about attractive Ladyboys and leave discussions about EVs in Thailand to those who actually know what they’re talking about.

8 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Once again I have to witness, and once again be the victim of, you attributing statements to me that I categorically did not make … it is called trolling, please desist.

You came to this discussion about EVs in Thailand with no direct experience of EVs in Thailand claiming that the booming EV market here was about to collapse.

You sir are the Troll here “please desist”

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

The second hand EV market in the UK has imploded

The problem with your argument is that secondhand prices in the UK are compared to "List" prices for new cars when nobody pays the full price. Watch the video below to educate yourself

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Thailand were behind Europe in being coerced into taking part in this appalling, failed experiment; it will consequently take a bit longer for the realisation of the utter folly to be acknowledged here, which gives any EV owners here a window, albeit a brief one, to sell their cars and get back on the gas.   

Well glad you finally got around to talking about "EVs in Thailand" the title of this discussion. 

There is an expectation here that you post evidence to support your claims which you failed to do, so it's my job to call you out on the twaddle you just posted.

EV sales in Thailand rose last year by over 700% 

ICE car sales in Thailand fell by 19%

Proving that you are talking utter nonsense

4 hours ago, milesinnz said:

You are living in an arrogant delusional bubble and don't have a clue what you are talking about...

You said you had plans to add solar. I gave you examples of cheap solar equipment

You said you had plans to buy an EV. I gave you an example of  a cheap EV with V2L 

You said you were aiming for close to complete self-sufficiency on the farm. I gave you information about how we have achieved it.

You complained about the poverty in Cambodia. I gave an example where I had created an educational project that has put fresh veggies in the mouths of poor kids everyday for the past 7 years.

I regularly contribute to support the poor folk of our village at our local temple, but none of that has been anywhere near as effective as the project at the school.

Instead of complaining about poverty, do something about it. 

16 hours ago, milesinnz said:

I suspect an expensive setup. I don't see many Thais being able to achieve this

You don’t need to go for a totally off-grid setup like mine. The inverters in the video are now only ฿17k and PV is only ฿6 per Watt. So a 5kW system is going to cost less than ฿50k plus installation.

17 hours ago, milesinnz said:

I am leaning towards China supplied battery car

Here in Thailand you can buy a Neta V with V2L for ฿500k for battery backup for your home solar system.

17 hours ago, milesinnz said:

we are aiming for close to complete self-sufficiency on the farm

I have several video on my EcoHouseThailand channel about my setup. We are 100% off-grid (no meter) we have rainwater harvesting for household and drinking water. We use solar thermal for hot water and solar well pumps to irrigate our fruit trees and veggies. 

I was asked by a teacher friend to produce a video on Self Sufficiency that he could use with his students:

9 hours ago, Lee65 said:

Many/most "detached houses" are on tiny plots of land and/or are rented, occupied by poor people, or are otherwise unsuitable for solar installations.

9 hours ago, Lee65 said:

Witnessed this evening yet another line up for the charging stations at a local PTT

Put up evidence to support your claims.

“Put up or Shut up”

9 hours ago, Lee65 said:

Look at me!  How smart I am!  AND that's not all ... I have home solar!  You, plebs, cannot possibly understand how clever this is!"

“Look at me how smart I am. I might not know anything about solar and EVs but I don’t need to waste my time doing research, I just make <deleted> up and you plebs believe me”

17 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

Well aren't you clever!

You not so much.

18 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

Home solar also an excellent choice for the millions in Thailand - billions globally - living in rented apartments and condos.

The vast majority of Thais live in detached houses. 

1 hour ago, milesinnz said:

do not see the Mekong or solar power being sufficient for Thailand's needs...

You obviously don’t know much about solar in Thailand.

* There are no high import duties or import bans on PV, inverters and batteries here. Solar components are falling in cost all the time

* Installation cost here are laughably cheap

* There are no permitting requirements for domestic solar

* Thailand is located close to the equator, meaning that solar production is excellent all year round

I use my solar system to power a 450m2 house, 2 EVs and an electric motorbike off-grid - I don’t have PEA/MEA

My EV has bi-directional charging meaning that I have the equivalent to 6 Tesla PowerWalls of backup power.

Future improvements:

My solar system makes more power than I can use, but I’m not allowed to feed it back to the grid.

In Europe they have dynamic pricing of electricity that reflects the wholesale rate, meaning that sometimes rates go negative and you get paid to charge your EV and at times of peak demand like early evening prices rise and you get paid a substantial amount for feeding power back to the grid.

18 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

recent reports are more indicative that ev fires are more common and more deadly

No links given so we must assume that you just made that up.

The physics is very clear. Gasoline is a highly combustable material. If a fuel line comes in contact with something hot (everything in an ICE car’s engine and exhaust system is hot) it can lead to an explosion. Gasoline vapours can fill the car’s cabin and it only takes one spark to create a ball of fire. If you don’t believe me try this at home  - pour a gallon of gasoline on a pile of sticks and lean down and light it (plenty videos on youtube)

Fires from Li-ion batteries tend to start slow. Most deaths are attributed to EV fires are due to cheap electric bikes and scooters brought into the home causing fires at night.   

”Petrol is a dangerous substance; it is a highly flammable liquid and can give off vapour which can easily be set on fire and when not handled safely has the potential to cause a serious fire and/or explosion”

https://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum.htm

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Tell that myth to the hundreds of people who have died due to ev fires...

https://www.motortrend.com/features/you-are-wrong-about-ev-fires/

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Fuel and freedom is for real men.  You can take your friend to Brokeback Mountain ⛰️ any day you want, no need to tell me.

The fact that the only way you can comprehend an expat having a Thai friend is if it’s his boyfriend speaks volumes about how you see Thailand. 
 

Now it’s my turn to feel sorry for you and your sad expat ghetto life. Certainly nobody will be writing songs about it.