CMHomeboy78

They think that many of us are rude and by their standards - sometimes by anyone's standards - they are often correct.

The best post of the thread.... insightful and concise.

And largely incorrect. Quite how the general populous here have the nerve to accuse anyone of rudeness is beyond me baring in mind the almost total lack of manners displayed here.

You are the one who is incorrect.

Some of the girls here have them too.

Yes, but those are the ones you should banter with - not marry.

Thais are reading this?

Maybe!

X

Maybe not.

Definately i read.

OK na ka :-)

There are some people on this forum that aren't fully convinced that you are a Thai.

Some said i got testicle too.

Amezing Thailand. Xx

You can have them - cojones - and still be a girl.

The girls where I come from [theUSA] nearly all have them.

That's one of the reasons I'm here.

How do u call thai without money? Thai kee nok

I have to explain like this.

Farang (pronoun) = western white people only not inclued Asian or middle east we named them another.

Farang (noun) = Fruit or guava... but we had a species of guava that we called farang khee nok. Inside farang khee nok is pink some red and small shape Aroy na. Thais believed Guava khee nok they grow without seeds but they grow by bird' poo poo. Awww !!when i was a little next to my house got Farang khee nok' tree. If i wanna eat i have to climb up the tree.

In bkk i think you cant find it anymore.

Just old people told me.

Do you know the etymology of the word "farang"?

If not, you may be interested to know that it came from the Farsi, or Persian language. It is believed to have been introduced by the Persians who were established at the court of King Narai in the 17th century. It was their word for "Franks" - or Europeans - during the Crusades.

The colloquial association with guavas came much later.

OK, you're Thai... I believe ya babe.

I'm gullible, and Thai girls have always been my weakness.

I've never been able to prevail against my wife and two daughters.

Those who were here in the early and mid 1980s might remember Chiang Khong, when the day would begin with Communist propaganda being blasted across the river from Ban Hoey Sai.

I'm sure similar things went on in other border villages, but Chiang Khong was the only one I went to in those days.

They think that many of us are rude and by their standards - sometimes by anyone's standards - they are often correct.

The best post of the thread.... insightful and concise.

There was a small escalator in Tantrapan on Thapae road, but I never saw it actually working.

Yes, I remember that in the original Tantrapan, but the one I was referring to was in the second store that opened on Manee Noparat in 1979.

In Nakon Si Thammerat I saw a family of Thais afraid to use the esculator.They were viewing it with great suspicion.

I remember when KSK opened in Chiang Mai and the Thais were afraid to get on. They would stand at the end and suddenly leap on a stair and go up. It was really annoying to use them as sometimes you had to stand in line. That was 20 years ago though. I don't think many Thais are that backwards in 2014.

I always thought the first escalator in Chiang Mai was the one - still to be seen, but now defunct - at Kad Luang that was installed when the market was rebuilt soon after being destroyed by fire in 1968.

According to my wife, there was an earlier one in a small department store named Tantiyanan in the market area that survived the conflagration.

My own recollection is of the one in the new branch of Tantrapan that replaced a bowling alley in 1979 on the site of what is now Computer Plaza. That was the only modern one I can remember seeing anywhere north of Bangkok in those days.

Chiang Mai had escalators since the late 1960s, and possibly earlier. The ones installed in Kad Suan Kaew in 1984 were certainly the biggest that local people had seen here, but not the first.

You're at the right place for what you want.

Pottery making and basket weaving have been practiced in this area since time out of mind.

There are many small outlets around town, but for a good selection go to the main market, Talad Warorot - or Kad Luang as the locals call it.

Another place to look would be Ban Tawai near Hang Dong.

Good luck.

Take a look at what JJ Bakery has on offer. Their various kinds of bread are excellent, and they supply a number of supermarkets and restaurants in Chiang Mai.

I don't think they make cheesecake, but they have some very good sweet things.

They are located on Charoen Muang, heading out of town on the left just before the Nong Prateep intersection.

This thread has been a great read.

I am in the minor leagues compared to many here when it comes to the hippie trail - back in 1968 I did the California hippie trail from Los Angeles to San Francisco as a 17 year old to enjoy the Summer of Love and try to get a date with Grace Slick. Sadly, I went in 1968, and the Summer of Love was 1967, and for some strange reason I never got a date with Grace Slick.

But back on topic, when I was planning my first trip to Thailand 5 years ago, Chiang Mai was not on the top of the list (where's the beach!!). But I went and have been coming back ever since, and now I know why. There is a lot of hippie DNA running loose on the streets of Chiang Mai. Make Love, Not War (or something like that).

I enjoyed it too.

Not only for the exchange of interesting information, but for the spirit of good-natured camaraderie that was so prevalent among young people travelling in those days. In spite of - or perhaps because of - all kinds of dangers and depravations.

I smoke a pipe myself, and usually bring premium pipe tobacco back with me when I return from trips to Farangland.

When I run out, I will smoke the local stuff. What I consider to be the best of a bad lot is the Black Cat Green [menthol].

As a pipe tobacco it's OK, I've smoked worse mixtures in a pipe.

Thanks for advice i enjoy pipe myslef too sometimes and i smoked sometimes really bad stuff myself too so i perfectly understand i try green too.

Im looking around kathu i live here maybe some suggestions on shop? thx

Sorry... I live in Chiang Mai. I was only in Phuket once, and that was years ago.

Try the local mom&pop stores as opposed to the big modern places. Also the old fashioned markets [if there are any left in Phuket] might have it. Here in Chiang Mai they almost all do.

Good luck.

I smoke a pipe myself, and usually bring premium pipe tobacco back with me when I return from trips to Farangland.

When I run out, I will smoke the local stuff. What I consider to be the best of a bad lot is the Black Cat Green [menthol].

As a pipe tobacco it's OK, I've smoked worse mixtures in a pipe.

OH YEAA

This is what we wanted all along, objective reached.

BIG thanks to everyone who made a fuss and helped get the word out.

For once its one up to the good guys.

It's not over till the fat lady sings!

You misquote.

"It ain't over 'til da fat lady sings."

That's the way the mafioso say it.

You say it like a toff.

FYI - that link (removed) brought up a malware warning on my iMac which I have never seen before. Scary. It advised me not to go to that site.

I removed all references to that link now as a safety precaution for members. I also received it under Firefox and Windows 7.

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Apologies for the questionable link. I connected twice this evening with no malware warning. Then when I tried to connect through Google the warning came up.

I don't know what the problem is. The company itself is reputable. I've been dealing with them for years.

Nevertheless, thanks for deleting the link if there was any chance of a problem.

Just a thought, try...

Pattrara Prepress

242/2 Maneenoparat [near Chang Puak Gate]

Tel. 053 210816

This is the best graphic arts studio in Chiang Mai - used by most of the designers and commercial artists here.

I don't know if they do video work. They might.

FYI - that link (removed) brought up a malware warning on my iMac which I have never seen before. Scary. It advised me not to go to that site.

Thanks for the warning, but I just checked the link and it was OK.

Interesting article on this topic:

http://www.southeastasiabackpacker.com/interview-hitchhiking-busking-sleeping-in-temples-what-was-backpacking-south-east-asia-like-50-years-ago

Thanks for one of the best contributions to this thread.

Just a thought, try...

Pattrara Prepress

242/2 Maneenoparat [near Chang Puak Gate]

Tel. 053 210816

This is the best graphic arts studio in Chiang Mai - used by most of the designers and commercial artists here.

I don't know if they do video work. They might.

It would be nice to think that this is the start of the authorities taking into consideration things other than profit.

As stated in the previous post, CMU is the place to go. The Social Research Institute is where translations of palm-leaf manuscripts and other historical work has been done since it was founded in 1981.

I'm not a dealer in maps or historical manuscripts myself, but I do have an interest in Thai - especially Lanna T'ai - history.

As a graphic artist, perhaps I could offer some comments that may be helpful, if you would provide some information.

What area does the map cover?

Approximately how old is it?

Do you know the provenance of the map?

What condition is it in?

Answers to those questions, and anything else you might add would be appreciated.

I've been here a very long time and I still haven't found the secret to getting the neighbours to stop their dogs barking. Speaking Thai, being overly polite, trying to make them see your side invariably nothing works.

For dogs not to bark, they need training from an early age and it's hard work, needs consistency. Most Thai's don't seem to have the time or patience for training and actually don't mind if dogs bark. Somehow they seem to be able to tune them out. One things for sure if you get confrontational or try anything and get caught, you will probably regret it very much.

If it really bothers you then consider moving, though you can move to a quiet area only to find that the lady next door buys a couple of dogs the day after you move in.

That's been my experience too... "nothing works."

But that doesn't keep me from reading the threads and hoping someone will come up with a good idea.

As often mentioned, most Thais don't seem to be bothered by dogs barking.

Those kept as watchdogs won't be quieted under any circumstances, for fear they won't bark if kamoys come.

Not better but different. it depends too on different for whom.

I remember in 1975 showing my then wife a picture of people crossing a Sydney street. She instantly said: Why isn't anyone smiling in the photo. If you take a photo of a Bangkok street it now the same. THen very few people had more than 4 years of school. Now all have 10 and many have degrees. Once waitresses took orders and remembered them as they could not write. You still got things in the same order though. Health for a Thai was pretty limited. If someone got sick most could not see a doctor. Now anyone can get relatively good free healthcare.

Yes, "Not better but different." might do as a generalization, but evaluating the changes that have taken place on the Hippie Trail would mean looking at the towns, cities, and the roads between them individually.

Sink the generalizations... the stark reality tells it all; from the once peaceful and pleasant Kandahar-Kabul run that today is life-threatening, to the polluted waters of Pattaya Bay with its hordes of tourists being milked by mercenary Thais.

War zones and places devastated by mass tourism could probably be balanced out with examples of areas and populations that have benefited by modernization to one extent or another.

That's the reality as I see it.

If I may offer my idea on the subject. I think one would have to consider the outlook of each person. Today the travel is easier but there is no adventure in it. So does that make it better when you cut out the experiences you would lose. For my money no.

As I have honestly stated I was a red neck and would never have done such a hippie thing. If the same travel conditions applied today and thinking the way I do now I would be on the road in the blink of an eye.

So am I going to say things have got better now. No I am not. I will say my attitude has changed a lot.

is a very personal outlook. I fly to Bangkok when I go to Bangkok or Pattaya. I how ever want to take a train just for the experience. People tell me it is not fun Some even bring money into the picture with if you watch the specials every day you can book a flight cheap months ahead. Do I care it is the experience I am looking for not the saving of money or ease. I am not that unhealthy of a 72 year old that he has to take the easy way out of necessity.

I have really enjoyed all the sharing of experiences. It to me is far better than reading a book. The many different experiences of the same thing makes it more real to me than just one mans view. It also reinforces that it was a reality for a very small segment of a society that was in a way looked down on as drug infected do nothing drop outs.

I think it is a fallacy that travellers (hippies) then were drug infected do nothing drop outs. Many did not take any drugs, very few drank alcohol as it was much to expensive...one bottle of beer could be a room and food for a day , some would have the occasional joint and nothing else and a very very small percentage went the whole hog.

Most were people taking a year or two off after college and went back to their earlier lives and some of the most ardent hippie seeming turned into total redneck capitolists.

I think people look at that era in the form of stereotypes on both sides when it never really was that.

Many different experiences and many different kinds of people.

This thread has brought up some interesting ones.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed.

Not better but different. it depends too on different for whom.

I remember in 1975 showing my then wife a picture of people crossing a Sydney street. She instantly said: Why isn't anyone smiling in the photo. If you take a photo of a Bangkok street it now the same. THen very few people had more than 4 years of school. Now all have 10 and many have degrees. Once waitresses took orders and remembered them as they could not write. You still got things in the same order though. Health for a Thai was pretty limited. If someone got sick most could not see a doctor. Now anyone can get relatively good free healthcare.

Yes, "Not better but different." might do as a generalization, but evaluating the changes that have taken place on the Hippie Trail would mean looking at the towns, cities, and the roads between them individually.

Sink the generalizations... the stark reality tells it all; from the once peaceful and pleasant Kandahar-Kabul run that today is life-threatening, to the polluted waters of Pattaya Bay with its hordes of tourists being milked by mercenary Thais.

War zones and places devastated by mass tourism could probably be balanced out with examples of areas and populations that have benefited by modernization to one extent or another.

That's the reality as I see it.