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"Collective insanity" might be one way to describe the multi-day festivals in Thailand.
Like the Bacchanalia of the ancient world, you either join in with alacrity or you opt out.
It's quieter in the countryside... that's where I'm heading.
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You asked for it.
ThaiVisa in particular and Thailand in general are not idiot-friendly.
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This will benefit the Farrangs who wish travel throughout South East Asia, as prices will come down (due to competition) over the medium term (2 to 3 years). It will also increase the number of available flights as well as the number of destinations.
America and Europe have been trying to do this for the last 30 years and are still at square one. We often criticize Thailand for it's lack of sophistication, but I think this demonstrates that given time they can make things happen.
I hope that what you foresee...lower prices... comes true, but I wouldn't bet the ranch on it.
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5 - Why do people conform to Thai racism by calling themselves farang.
The term isn't derogatory when used alone.
The etymology is unambiguous; it comes from the Farsi word 'farangi' meaning 'Frank' and originated during the Crusades. It soon came to be used to describe all Europeans.
The Persians who were established at the Ayudhya court of King Narai in the 17th century introduced it to Siam. None of the historical sources record it being used as an insult.
Misunderstanding what it implies could lead to offence being taken when none is intended.
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I should think that the best place to celebrate a "Western New Year" would be in a western country.
My wife and I are going to celebrate a real Thai New Year with neighbours. That means a barbecue washed down with copious amounts of Lao Khao and other homebrews.
By midnight we're usually all pissed and hogwild. The fireworks we set off are positively unsafe...
If I wanted to stay safe I would never have left my homecountry.
Sawadee Phi Mai!
We're going to be doing something very similar.
Last year on a visit home, my second daughter who is working and studying in the US, bought some land in Saraphi; part of a lumyai orchard that we are diversifying with other fruit trees and a fishpond.
My wife is having a Thai style house built on it. Acting as her own contractor, she bought two old teak houses and hired three local carpenters to dismantle them and build the new house. It's about 80% finished.
The guys are doing such a good job that we want to throw a New Year's Eve geen lee-ung for them and any family members who want to come.
My wife and I plan to spend the night in the new place on a mattress under a moong because I won't be in any condition to make the half hour drive back to town.
Happy New Year Chiang Mai... all the best in 2015 - 2558.
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I stick by what I said, driving around with hitler on your bike next to a swastika is offensive. If you don't agree fine.
Some keep missing the point others have made. It's not offensive in general (all by itself) but is offensive to many (including yourself, obviously, and even to me to some degree) who have at least a reasonable understanding of what Hitler and the Nazis preached and did; however, to most Thais, it's not offensive at all and one can hardly blame them for not being offended when they haven't been taught anything or much at all about the second world war.
Another issue is whether the Thais ought to have been taught about the history of the biggest world war....including their own involvement (minimal or not) therein. I say "most definitely" but others (rather dumbfounding to me) have posted that they don't think it's at all relevant for Thais to know anything about that history.
They keep "...missing the point..." because they can only see and commiserate with the atrocities that were inflicted upon their own race/ethnic group/nationality.
They may give compassionate lip service to what befell others, but in their hearts they really don't give a tinker's damn.
It's willful ignorance of the most offensive kind. History is full of abominable exterminations and depredations. Our ancestors have all suffered at one time or another.
Do the descendents of Hitler's victims think they're unique?
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If you don't like a post, or disagree with it, just counter with a concise and witty reply.
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A lot depends on the couple in question.
If she acts like a bar girl and he is a loser then yes, people will look down on you.
If the couple act with some degree of 'class' then I down think many Thais will look down on them.
Good point.
Another thing that might be said is that having children will change most Thais perception of a mixed marriage.
If it is seen that the offspring are being well brought up, that is a big plus, and it will reflect favorably on the parents.
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This topic is not about the swastika. It about nazi imagery. Go back to the first post, enlarge the image and then come back and tell me that as a Jew you see nothing wrong with it.
Thank you. The swastika, or a symbol that is inverted, but similar, was used for thousands of years by the Hindus, prior to Tiny Adolf co-opting it, as a symbol of his murderous regime. So, many do not consider it offensive. The Thais who use it are not neo nazis, nor are they haters. They are just doing it as something that is hip or cool. Nothing is meant by it. Frankly, I find it more offensive, when thin skinned westerners get huffy over this, than the use of the symbol itself. Get over yourself. Who cares? It is just a symbol. I think the intent is often more important than the symbol. I am Jewish, and find a lot of Jews to be very, very thin skinned. About symbols, criticism of Israeli policy, etc. No room for discussion. No room for criticism, or I am labeled a Jew hater. That is very weak behavior. They are very easily offended. I am sorry, but really men are not easily offended by silly stuff like this. Water off a ducks back. Live and let live. The holocaust was a terrible thing. It was heinous. It was foul. But, it happens a long time ago. A few young Thais using the swastika is not going to encourage another holocaust.There is no active neo-Nazi movement in Thailand.
Hitler's face and Nazi symbols are used as macho decorations, they don't represent a political party, overt or covert here.
That is the reality in Thailand.
If you were here in the late '70s you will remember the ubiquitous face of Che Guevara in Alberto Korda's famous 'Guerrillero Heroico'. The stickers were everywhere, even on the mudflaps of ten-wheelers. At that time, Communist insurgents controlled large parts of the North and Northeast. Most of the Lao and Cambodian border regions were no-go areas; they were just outside of Nan and as close to Chiang Mai as Samoeng.
The face and ideology represented a clear and present danger to the established order in those days.
No such thing exists now... it's just radical chic.
Would you paint your bike or car with hitler next to a swastika? What would your Jewish family and friends think if you did that? Be honest.
The nazi sympathizers have even got you, a Jew, on their side by making this topic about something else; a symbol used in other places for other reasons. We know the swastika wasn't invented by Hitler, but next to his face it means one thing; nazi evil.
Which members are you accusing of being "nazi sympathizers" ?
Have the courage of your convictions and name them.
Am I on your list? If so, come out and say it. I would counter by telling you that is a damned lie.
My father was in the US Army Air Corps during WWII, and his father, my grandfather, was a Lt. Colonel and aide-de-camp to Gen.George C. Marshall at the Nuremberg Trials.
I have an interest in history that makes me want to learn about all the different aspects of it; no matter how repulsive some of them may be.
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I wonder if the mods are able to trace where the IP address of the person who opened the new "Alan Hall" account is located?
Many people would love to know if he's back in Thailand.
It couldn't possibly be the real Alan Hall back in Chiang Mai, or the peasants would be out with their torches and pitchforks.
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Who cares. Clearly these symbols are not used in neo Nazi context. No Thai would get offended. Who are we to lecture them. We are just guests and should keep out of it.
This concise post of yours says it all... in a nutshell.
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Look you wanted to get all lecture'y while giving a dumb wrong fact.. Thailand was invaded by the Japanese.. Thailand was occupied.. Thailand was involved in WWII and Thailand even declared war against the allied powers and was involved in the Burma campaigns and malay conflicts. Your wrong.
And once again.. I keep saying the burden of the problem is not on the Thais who are going to the school.. Or even normal people acting out of ignorance, even tho it is ignorant (surely your not suggesting ignorance is a good thing ??) its on the educators who failed to understand what they were allowing to happen, in a private catholic school, which has an international english language program, was offensive. They received terrible international press and condemnation, and rightfully so.
I dont think its too much to expect, a lack of ignorance, in a educator or an faculty of education. Its pretty much the definition of those things that they should not be ignorant.
Your arguments are becoming incoherent.
Incidentally, before you start lecturing and educating other people, you should learn the difference between your and you're.
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This is something that has puzzled me for the past 36 years.
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Original artwork that consists of lines and colored areas can be printed by the silkscreen process. Originals with halftones and shading must be done on a digital to garment [DTG] printer. Another option is digital printed heat transfers. The print size is limited to A4. They also have a glossy texture and are not as durable as silkscreen and DTG prints.
Chiang Mai has many good silkscreen printers, notably:
Chiang Mai Thanakorn [Jipata]
8 Sirimangklachan Rd. Soi 9, A. Muang.
Tel 053-400847
I've never found a DTG printer in Chiang Mai. I have had work done by:
Chang Anan Co., Ltd.
140/168 Soi 7, Sampran.
Tel 02-814 3025
They are located out near Buddha Monthon, and are about the best.
If you are only having a few T-shirts done, the digital heat transfers would probably be your best bet. There are many small shops around town, mostly in shopping malls. Check out the one on the ground floor at Pantip.
Good luck.
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So you are saying the bike painting is cool?Some facts......-The swastika, oriented differently, is an ancient Buddhist symbol and can be seen all over the Buddhist district of Kathmandu, for example.
-Hitler sent teams of researchers to Asia to discover anything about the reputed power of monks and other adepts as well as power symbols. There were Nazi researchers in Lhasa, for example.
-Western students know nothing of the crimes of Mao or Pol Pot for example and the West can not understand why a Tibetan would burn himself to protest Red China's repression. Ignorance abounds around the world.
If so; utterly pathetic if you support Hitler next to swastika imagery flaunted in public. No need to discuss anything, it is plain and simple pathetic and in direct support of a racist fascist regime and evil murderous leader. Whether Hitler did any good in Asia is utterly irrelevant.
No, he was not saying the bike painting was cool.
He was pointing out Western students ignorance of Asian atrocities.
Thai students ignorance of European atrocities comes under the same rubric.
Education is the way to solve both problems - not becoming fascists ourselves.
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That looks like a symbol used by Hindus. It's a reverse image of the swastika. It used to be a high award in Scouting. (US=Boy Scouts).
I mentioned to a couple of Thai friends what Hitler did with any Asians found in the occupied countries. They were shocked.
Don't be too hard on the Thais. Their knowledge of foreign history is about as good as our's was of Thai history before we came here. The great majority have little knowledge of the geographical location of most Western countries. It's the same in Indonesia.
All the posts about the swastika and its various meanings are conveniently ignoring the fact it is right next to the image of Adolf Hitler. They are part of the same sticker. It is disingenuous to play the Hindu symbol card when it is far more likely the creator of the sticker just didn't know or care about the orientation of the symbol. And to my knowledge, Hitler is neither the source of a pleasant greeting nor an ancient good luck symbol.
It is easy to be glib and make various excuses when replying to this post and dismiss it as another wank about getting one's "loin cloth in knot" but you might feel differently if your family members were among those the Nazis abducted, robbed, raped and murdered.
I am not expecting Thai society to change overnight or for the country's education system to include comprehensive geography and global history courses any time soon. If you read the entire post, you will see I was pointing out the rather brutal irony that if Hitler had is way, Thais and all Asians would have been eradicated.
As for we farangs being unaware of Thai history, it would be safer to speak for oneself. I did not come here for the cheap retirement or the cheap beer. I was aware Nazi imagery was popular in parts of Asia but I hadn't come across it personally. Judging from the replies, I suppose this is the entirely wrong forum to have posted this kind of thing.
Some facts......
-The swastika, oriented differently, is an ancient Buddhist symbol and can be seen all over the Buddhist district of Kathmandu, for example.
-Hitler sent teams of researchers to Asia to discover anything about the reputed power of monks and other adepts as well as power symbols. There were Nazi researchers in Lhasa, for example.
-Western students know nothing of the crimes of Mao or Pol Pot for example and the West can not understand why a Tibetan would burn himself to protest Red China's repression. Ignorance abounds around the world.
I'm not challenging you on this point, but I am curious to know the source of your statement "There were Nazi reasearchers in Lhasa..."
It is well known that Heinrich Harrer entered Tibet in 1944 after escaping from a British detention camp in India.
What I didn't know was that there had previously been Germans in Lhasa sent there by Hitler.
Any further information you could provide would be appreciated.
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Too many innocent people have been executed by governments that have life and death power.
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I was in the market last Friday and this total stranger foreigner tried to engage me with the unsolicited 'hello!' What is it with the farangs that feel they need to acknowledge the presence of another farang like we are buddies or what? Total weirdo. Probably one of these born-again Chiang Mai'ers. Bet he can't speak Faroese either.
Lay off 'Chiang Mai'ers.'
We're a diverse lot, and we prefer to be called 'eccentric'.
Otherwise, I agree with what you say. Although some people are just gregarious by nature. A smile and a nod is a good response. If they persist, say you're pressed for time.
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If nothing decisive happens on Thursday, these procrastinating clowns should be replaced.
They've had enough time.
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There is a personal sore spot with the basis of this entire thread.
Its not about whether Hitler was good or Hitler was bad
Its not about a symbol is good, bad or religious
Its not about whether I like spinach or not or you do or do not.
What I do find objectionable is the ever so much dogmatic approach that does not allow any other party to accept or reject any symbol, thought, action, or any other aspect , as good , bad, or indifferent for themselves........ and not have others tell him what is to be done, said, accepted or what.
You may like it, I may not like it....... both are correct for these individuals......
Why so vehement about someone having a different opinion ???? Forcing someone to agree to all that you say, is wrong, All are entitled to their own opinion. Anytime Nazism, Hitler, WWII, or anything related comes up........ the same almost violent cadre pops up and wants you to agree to their side...... that in itself is wrong. Whether you like it or not, I have my opinion..... it is mine and I am entitled to it as much as you are to yours.......
That's my rant and my gripe....... don't you tell me what I am supposed to think or feel.
A good summing up of this thread in particular, and of this troll topic in general.
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EDIT: Oh yes, one thing. Before the hollering starts again, be careful what you wish for.
Because before you know it, buses (as a metaphore for Thailand in general) might look like they do in Europe.
Very sensible.
Very correct.
Very... very why I'm here and not there.
Perceptive post illustrated by some stunning visuals.
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For god's sake man, smuggle in your own and beat them at their own game.
Stop complaining about petty things and learn how to live here.
The term 'Trashpacker' has recently been coined... you don't want to be tarred with that brush, do you?
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This isn't the first time that a developer has taken deposits (sometimes very large deposits indeed) and not built the project. Sometimes they don't even buy the land on which the project is to be built.
The perpetrators often leave the country before being caught so it's good to see one getting caught before leaving.
Andrew Drummond is the go-to-guy for coverage of many - if not most - of these scams.
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i find many of the answers confusing , i hear farangs constantly complain of how bad the laws are here , how the govt should do this , or do that , back home we do it this way blah blah blah ....how can we criticize the Thai people when we do not lead by example ?
And I find that your arrogance makes complete sense, in light of the fact that you...
1. ...like to call foreigners "farang."
2. ...think you need to "lead by example," when that example is a snitch
3. ...think you know someone is "laughing at the law."
4. ...feel "confused" over people offering less emotional/dramatic action.
5. ...have "no fear of consequences"
6. ...reference the all powerful "food off my plate" and affecting "my children's future" lines.
Shall I continue?
I'm not challenging your post as a whole, but allow me to take issue with one point...
The term 'farang' when used alone is not derogatory. It comes from the Farsi word 'farangi'; introduced by the Persians who were established at King Narai's Ayudhya court in the 17th century. It was derived from 'Frank' during the Crusades, and became their word for Europeans in general. Thus the Siamese acquired it.
The etymology is unambiguous and easy to access. It has never been used as an insult in the historical sources that refer to it.
Misunderstanding its meaning could lead to offence taken where none is intended.
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Agreed, Communism and socialism don't work well... but once entrenched they can last a long, long time.