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2 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

 

Decreasingly so it seems........ especially when compared to other countries.

Indeed. When compared to what's happening around the world, it's very mild. Maybe someone hasn't got access to the trough and the funding has dried up?

3 hours ago, harada said:

From what I've seen and heard in the north the red shirts could run a soi dog as their candidate and still win an election, because of their long running sheer hatred of the southern elites and their bully boys.

Just like they could run a telephone pole as candidate for the Bangkok governor election and still win..............

3 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

 

Common give it a rest this was sunder Yingluck's time and was never serious just a few hotheads.

 

As for 'dictatorial'  Pot, Black comes to mind    

Just a few hot heads - what like the men in black who shot at security forces whilst using women and children as shields; or the morons who applauded the murder of children at their rally? 

Seems a lot of hot heads around. 

4 hours ago, JAG said:

Part of the army are they?

Indeed - only not the official military but someones private militia.

1 hour ago, fxe1200 said:

Yingluck "was escaped" for good reasons. The junta just does not admit it, nor did their members admit the involvement of the Thai army in the murder of Ko Tee . To maintain power, they only will tell, what they think is good for you or the Thai people to know.

Do you actually have any evidence that Ko Tee was murdered with the involvement of the Thai army?

Or just making it up?

15 hours ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

Meh.... this is still a first world problem.

 

Worse comes to worst the British expats have the option of returning back home to free medicare and numerous benefits.

 

As a 44 year old expat who is doing quite well financially, I still stress every day over my future in Thailand, but I do have the option of returning "home". No one should feel sorry for me when 80% of world population wonders what they'll eat today.

Very true mate. We all get wound up about things relative to our own context.

Sometimes it's hard to remember a great many people have no home, no access to medicine, no guarantee of the next meal or even clean drinking water, no sanitation, no access to education and incredibly limited opportunity. And they don't fret because someone has a nicer car or new designer handbag!

11 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

Every time I see a post like this whingeing about Thaksin paying money, I have the same thoughts;

 

Who funds the Democratic party? Who funded Suthep and his mob?

 

And I never get an answer...

 

The old elite who own the DP fund it. Just like Thaksin and his clan fund the political organizations PTP, Red Shirts and UDD that he owns.

And some posters still pretend this is about democracy 555!

Just now, robblok said:

 I don't agree with the Prayut amnesty, just like I don't agree with the Thaksin amnesty but that Prayut got one does not mean Thaksin should get one too. 

Agreed.

Praut hasn't been charged or convicted of anything yet. But Thakisin has. Whether some on here like that or not, that's the situation, right or wrong.

1 minute ago, sjaak327 said:

So you are saying amnesty for Thaksin is not ok, amnesty for Prayuth is. 

That's not what he said.

2 minutes ago, Becker said:

If you can come up with a short and snappy alternative regarding the correct terminology for what the coup was against that's acceptable to both "camps" here on TV I'll use it!

 

I'd just stick to calling it the caretaker PTP government. 

Who was the leader in name or in reality doesn't matter then mate!

On 8/26/2017 at 2:57 PM, steven100 said:

of coarse the maid and housekeeper know nothing .....  

they were just going to keep working everyday as usual until next months salary didn't show up in their accounts ....  then they would ....

' up to you '    mai pen rai .... 

Actually the maids, housekeepers, drivers, gardeners and minders might all have suddenly become unusually rich 

4 hours ago, ramrod711 said:

He went on to say their were hundreds of police and military present; all significatly armed to the teeth.

 

Gosh, I can't imagine why.

 

 

That opening sequence is reminiscent of Hitler.

9 hours ago, smutcakes said:

Its going to be great fun watching the contortions of will they/won't they try and get her extradited, the excuses for or against it, and all along with the back drop of the way the RB has been handled.

 

I expect she will end up in the UK where her son will attend a top boarding school for the next 10 years or so when the fun and games continue in Thailand.

 

I don't believe any Government would send her back and will be interesting if they even make any attempt to get her back. They don't seem to of bothered with her brother. As the   OP ed in the BKP alludes the last minute departure seems to indicate that the negotiations must of gone on to the last minute and either this was the outcome or they failed and she had to make a run for it. Still seems unbelievable that she could leave without tactile approval to do so.

The Deputy PM has already said he won't sack the senior policeman who allegedly helped her to leave. Says it all.

Maybe they'll huff and puff, to keep appearances internally, for as we know, they don't care much what others outside think.

This will be put in the pending file. Considering the fact she was being watched constantly, it's impossible she could've just slipped away in the night with no one noticing. 

I agree - either the deal was done at the 11th hour or there wasn't an agreement and she decided best run for it.

It will be interesting to see the verdict handed down of 27/9 and subsequent sentencing if found guilty. Would be funny if she's acquitted and they'd all look stupid!

Just now, maxpower said:

You have just confirmed my original post. Forum rules remember? Yes now you got it.

None of which stops you explaining to us all why you might think Thaksin and his sister are innocent of the actual cases detailed.

Or don't you think that?

4 minutes ago, Becker said:

BS. The YL government's removal by the junta was just another play in the power struggle between Thaksin and his "gang" and the old elite - plain and simple .

The YL government made an unholy mess of the whole rice subsidy scheme and the voters should have been allowed to vote her a** out of power had they so chosen. But due to the dems (the legal front of the old elite) being so utterly clueless that they couldn't even mount a credible nationwide challenge despite the rice scheme and the cabinet being made up of some of the worst characters ever to hold office the old elite decided to step in. And this they would have done irrespective of the performance of the YL government because there was no way they would not be in the driver seat during the transition.

Your're right of course.

Only arguing about semantics. Calling it the YL government rather than the government of the bloke who replaced her for a few weeks. And in reality we all know it was another Thaksin government. 

The struggle between those two factions simply continues.

2 minutes ago, maxpower said:

You are kidding right. Go back do more reading, lots more. While your at it, remove the 2 inch tubes over your eyes and try some 6 inch.

So you can't actually provide any answers; or don't want to.

Just abstract innuendo. 

You should try reading something other than Shin propaganda. They ain't the innocent do-gooders, fighting for all others sport.

8 hours ago, phuketrichard said:

better to live like  a princess in Dubai, than Jail in Thailand

Yeah, and what about all the poor people "Let then eat cake" perhaps?

Look after number 1.

8 minutes ago, maxpower said:

It's so easy to criticize the Shinawatra's when your opponents have much of their ammunition disabled by forum  rules.

Such as what rules? 

Which rules prevent you explaining how Thaksin was innocent from his conviction, and all those outstanding criminal cases, like say the Krungthai Fraud case? Or explaining how Yingluck wasn't negligent in never attending meeting she appointed herself to chair or acting on warnings?

6 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Hmm, not sure if that is entirely true. But no worries, they have plenty other family members lined up, and you know what, they problably would win a general election as well. Not that it really matters now, the new constitution has put democracy off side for the forseeable future..

I doubt any past election would be considered really democratic by Western standards. Even in the US and UK they have issues in ensuring their election laws are not broken. Not sure about other EU countries.

The sister currently being tipped as a front runner for PTP leadership, has been convicted of insider trading! She obviously a chip off the old block. 

But yes, they still hope the well oiled election machine running down through provincial and local administrations to deliver block votes would deliver a result. 

The previous system where a party could receive the largest minority of votes, but that translated into a massive majority in the house seemed outer kilta. But every system has flaws.

6 minutes ago, jayboy said:

It's like dealing with a wilful five year old.We all know the coup was conducted under instructions by the Constitutional Court, the same court that the Junta plans to use to strangle democracy in the future.The army generals finished the job.Different organisations but exactly the same agenda.

 

For those not blinded by prejudice the NYT provides a good summary.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/world/asia/court-orders-thai-leader-removed-from-office.html

We all know you support the Shins whilst trying to gloss over the actual facts.

Do you deny that Yingluck committed an abuse of power, was tried, and convicted? Or do you support the notion that any Shin is above the law and can do as they wish?

It's like conveniently forgetting that when removed in 2006 Thaksin wasn't the legally the caretaker PM, having resigned and then seized the job back. 

But pretending otherwise is better propaganda.

You can keep on pretending that it's all so unfair. But if the Shins didn't break the laws they couldn't be found guilty.

5 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Which is of course collectively of all of the Thai elite, including the current lot, heck they even have amnesty, no worries about going to prison at all. Thaksin is just like all of those Thai elites, yet he seems to always get the blame, whilst the real crooks are always left untouched. 

Exactly. Those that are entitled to play the game of musical chairs at the trough, and the Shins, not just their patriarch, all are; never do jail or get caught up in the violence. Don't get their hands dirty, they pay people for that.

Thaksin wouldn't play the game though. He didn't want to take turns, wanted it all, for always, for him. So that's why he cops the wrath and the blame off the others. That was the gamble he took. Now he's the convenient scapegoat and his sister is being lined up as his replacement when he croaks.

"“Thaksin has long prepared an escape plan for his sister. He would not allow his sister to spend even a single day in prison,” said the source, who requested anonymity.

That's right - only the peasants can be used as cannon fodder. Not the family.

4 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Oh, you have met "Yingluck" personally have you, so you can actually judge her on behalf of us can you, ovi1kanobi, your an inposter, because the real obi one kenobi who lives in exile was a noble man, and gifted in the ways of the force.

 

As we say back in Aus, "don't become a raw prawn with me"

 

A coward she is not, she knew the odds were stacked against her, and decided to leap to freedom, as opposed to serve time and rot in a Thai prison due to the lack of justice in this country under the Junta it would appear.

 

I call that a fricken smart cookie, suffice to say, you wouldn't have the balls to stand trial, 42 years and 36 years, they copped it right up the kiyba !!! 

They, the ones who did attend court, were convicted and sentenced, were guilty of serious fraud. Hence the long sentences.

Yingluck faced a max 10 year sentence for negligence and malfeasance. 

She once stated that she was willing to die on the battle field of democracy. Seems that was another of her little white lies.

When push comes to shove, the super elite hiso's don't do jail the do runners. And she is no different.

15 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

Grow up.


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Yes, Gunna, and don't mention irrefutable inconvenient facts that irritate Shin apologists because it doesn't fit their agenda.

Even the BBC, on their timeline of events, showed her leaving office after being found guilty of an abuse of power by a court in May 2014, weeks before the coup.

But the Shin apologists want to pretend that never happened. They're not adult enough to deal with the reality.

3 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

They let her escape, not in their best interests to attempt to get her back.

Make your mind up - did they let her go or was she "disappeared" as you keep posting?

But it certainly looks like the unfortunate Muslim HR lawyer, and Billy the forest activist were disappeared.