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Thai police reenactments are nothing more than a showcase spectacle for police to curry media attention onto themselves.

The walkthrough of some incidents are helpful for clearing up some points however the suspect is not compelled to partake. "Not obliged to "SAY" or "DO" anything. Basic legal rights. In a normal court any evidence/admissions obtained under duress is "NOT" admissible in court. physical assaults while interrogating suspects whom police strongly believe to be guilty is obtaining admissions under duress. A dumb witted stumbling lawyer would even get this evidence thrown out. The same dumb witted lawyer would advise his client not to partake as if the police had sufficient evidence to charge him then there would be no need for a re-enactment. The onus is entirely on the police to gather evidence and for the prosecution to prove a case beyond all reasonable doubt. The suspect has absolutely no obligation to assist the prosecution in gaining a conviction.

It is like asking the opposing team to kick goals for you in a football match because you don't have the talent to do it yourself.

"Police say they are doing what is best for Thai justice and the practice will continue."

How is physically assaulting someone during an interview or forcing them to incriminate themselves in a re-enactment Justice? If this is Thai Justice then it is definitely one sided justice. It is more like perverting the course of justice which it in itself is a crime.

You can't compare the RTP and justice system to those in the real world. They just don't bear comparison. The BiB are reminisent of the Keystone cops at times, and the worst aspects of police state policing at others. Courts seem to be a bit like Roy Beans in the Wild West. Everyone makes it up as they go along because the laws are often vague and officers have discretion. Throw in the inevitible corruption and untouchability of certain sections of the community and you have the circus we see.

This re-enacting for the media and public is all part of the show. Let the public see just how clever and good they are at catching "villains".

I wonder if we are going to see a re-enactment of the Red Bull heir murdering the unfortunated police officer, complete with fleeing the seen and trying to get an employee to take the wrap with help from a senior police officer; or the TV "star" who fatally shot someone in the head and changed his story when the CCTV footage was released.

Fat chance.

SE asia, you know the rules, they don't laugh with it as in EU countries

if you can't stand the death penalty, don't start to be a dealer in the first place

lots of honest jobs to do

even prostitution would only be selling her body for money, more honorable than selling illegal drugs for profit

Prostitution is more honorable than selling WEED??? I think you've been in Thailand too long!

Neither is honourable - so neither can be more or less honourable than the other.

SE asia, you know the rules, they don't laugh with it as in EU countries

if you can't stand the death penalty, don't start to be a dealer in the first place

lots of honest jobs to do

even prostitution would only be selling her body for money, more honorable than selling illegal drugs for profit

And what precisely is morally wrong with selling cannabis, a drug which is proven to be less harmful than alcohol? Do tell us where your wisdom comes from.

What's wrong - it's against the law. How's that for wisdom. Break the law, get caught and convicted and you will be punished.

You may think this drug is less harmful than alcohol, as many of its illegal users claim. I have seen numerous reports that say the opposite and some to support it. But, whilst that's an interesting debate, it doesn't change the fact that cannabis is illegal in the majority of countries.

Do you think laws can be ignored based on every individuals' notion of what is morally acceptable or not?

Cannabis is used as a medicine against cancer. The real cancer in Asia are the middle-aged laws. Perhaps the judges should try some smoke.

How many countries have legalized cannabis?

Cannabis laws are completely f#%}<d IMHO.

You don't make the laws so your opinion isn't material. Malaysia does not make any secret of its strict laws on drugs.

Unfortunately her record for predicting the future isn't good. Maybe big brother has not mentioned anything about disolving the house yet. Probably few more tries to push his whitewash through now the boys are back to help.

Was she lying when she kept denying there would be a cabinet re-shuffle or simply not told at that point. She got to a point, just before the re-shuffle anouncement, where she refused to answer. Maybe that's the time her brother informed her of his decision.

Now having just taken on the position of defence minister as well as prime minister she's off to Turkey and Poland. The woman's a marvel and workaholic! Or there again not interested in actually doing either role, simply says what she's told to, and goes on travels to relieve the boredom.

Unfortunately her record for predicting the future isn't good. Maybe big brother has not mentioned anything about disolving the house yet. Probably few more tries to push his whitewash through now the boys are back to help.

Was she lying when she kept denying there would be a cabinet re-shuffle or simply not told at that point. She got to a point, just before the re-shuffle anouncement, where she refused to answer. Maybe that's the time her brother informed her of his decision.

Now having just taken on the position of defence minister as well as prime minister she's off to Turkey and Poland. The woman's a marvel and workaholic! Or there again not interested in actually doing either role, simply says what she's told to, and goes on travels to relieve the boredom.

God and buddha bless him

Hope he pulls thru

If it is from an unwanted teenage pregnancy,

perhaps this will awaken Thailand to the fact

the teens do have sex and they need to be

taught about precautions and protections

It is not the 1800's anymore Thailand .... wake up

If a higher deity cared about blessing this baby he would not been in the canal in the first place or this may all be happening accoring to a deity's plan or will; if so, then those kindly neighbors may have interfered. Which brings up the point that the deities either don't care or are for all human purposes non-existant as well as useless in cases like this.

I understand the sentiment as being an expression of human compassion but I also understand that it is useless and won't change a thing.

It is the religious establishments that are the major hindrance to proper science/sex education and contraception in the first place. I doubt if they would give up their power and hold on the minds of the uneducated or semi-educated that continue to support them for the life of an insignificant (to them not to me) child.

We cannot have a rational progressive world and our superstitious nonsense at the same time; I know what my choice is.....

It's always great when we get the religious bashes spouting. They are all so sure they know everything, thanks to the power of wonderful Western education. Obviously has numerous doctorates and has studied world religions before coming to the massive conclusion that they are all superstitious nonsense and get in the way of what he envisages as a rational progressive world - which presumably conforms to his politically correct popular views. Who gives a toss what his choice is?

This is about someone trying to dispose of an unwanted baby. It sad that so many people feel they have no choice or alternative than to act like this. Sad condemnation of any society - and yes, it happens in many countries and societies. Tragic, for all concerned. Let's hope the baby fully recovers.

What a load of &lt;deleted&gt; posted here by some members...

The simple question is: Even if abortion is banned, even if sex education here in Thailand is useless, even if drugs, or whatever and whoever is to blame... Why did the mother think the only way out is throwing that poor baby into a canal an let it die? Why not bring him to a hospital, temple, church, shopping center or wherever and give the little soul at least the chance of being found by a decent person who can save his life?

One of my best friends and his wife are hoping and trying so much for a baby after a miscarriage some years ago shattered their dream of becoming a real family, while others simply throw a little healthy baby boy into a canal like garbage. What a f#cked up world we live in - sometimes it hurts so much that I just want to leave this planet for good

very simple - the logic of FACE, also well said in message #9 by trainman. it is a kind of intangible very difficult for us being raised up from a different logic.

just because of the FACE, someone will shoot at you, someone will throw the baby into canal . . . . everywhere in Asia, from China to Japan ! ( sorry being off-topic )

China to Japan - you're a bit off geography too.

This is Thailand, get used to it. Teachers are god!!! Seen it done quite a few times. Whether you agree or not with it, sorry.

Varee, private school , change school but probably wouldn't make any difference.

Nonsense. Not all Thai schools are like this.

My daughters school has a know touch policy. Teachers that don't follow that are at risk if a parent complains. One female teacher pinched my daughter's ear a couple of years ago, causing a small blood blister. Investigation proved other teachers, including her non-Thai co-teacher didn't like her attitude to the children. We complained and met with the head of department and one of the owning family who also acts as COO. The Thai COO was like me in favour of dismissal. My wife, an experienced qualified teacher, and the head of department favoured disciplinary action but not dismissal. After some deliberation the offending teacher was removed from the lucrative and top grade English progam and reduced to looking atfer a sort of play area.

Things are different in Thailand, as they are in other countries. But that does not mean you cannot complain. Just complain in the correct manner.

What a useless piece of shit! Lock him up and throw away the key!!

That's assuming he's guilty of course. I'm not saying I don't believe the girl but she's had 2 husbands and a baby and she's only 15. It's not impossible that the 2 marriages were because her situation isn't good and they were a desperate measure for survival. In that case a false accusation is always possible although whether the son of a senior policeman is a good target is another matter.

Ohhh here we go!! Another one of these innocent until proven gulity. I am sorry but this story is darn right distrubing. No matter what you think, a poor little baby is the victim of another stupid idiots actions, oh and his daddy will try and get him out of it. This is a child here and all you can say it she said this and she done that.

Where you there? No really?? This is a scared young mother and now a very sick young baby, so why dont go think of them next time. Sad sad story indeed and a total mindless remark from you. Anyone with kids here will understand and you, well...........

Wishing for you little one.

Kimamey wasn't there ,,,,,,,,,,, and neither were you.

We all become outraged at the scum who committ these horrendous outrages on young children. I would quite happily tie the noose and pull the drop lever on them all - male or female.

However, I would expect them to be formally convicted by a court of law with appropriate sentence passed first. Not jump into some vigilante stirred up by hatred action.

You, or anyone here doesn't have the full facts. You don't know if the young woman is a pathological liar who has made up this story to cover her own criminal behaviour; or if the is the witness to a brutal act from a drunken bully. Have you read any social background reports or any report from the investigating officers? Do you always believe what one person says when they accuse another? Do you have some innate ability to know the true facts before anyone else?

Why not think before you post? Or would you like to live in a society where mob justice rules and accusations are never false?

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Hey that looks like the Clangers. They're really cool and communicate by whistling noises.

Never seen them write conplete nonsens drivel propoganda though.

Still, both entertainment in different ways

Why would repeating the same old rheoric, spouting about getting rid of corruption and handpicking suitable people for ministerial jobs, increase confidence?

What has this government actually achieved in 2 years of office? - Rice scheme disaster, water mismanagement project, lies and white lies told regularly, contradictions, misappropriation of public funds, failure to assure prudent accounting and auditing of government expenditure. attempting to bypass parliamentary control on large spending projects, restrictions on free speech and right of protest, failure to uphold the law fairly, illegal actions, failure to respond to Ombudsman's questions about illegal actions, attempting to whitewash criminal convictions and outstanding charges, intimidation of courts, and failure to censure ministers who made highly inappropriate remarks, one of whom is still a DPM.

Now the PM, who hardly attends parliament or meetings, and must be a master of delegation, appoints herself to another important role as DM.

The PM has yet to present any report to parliament and the Thai people on its performace and achievements. Should she ever do so, based on current performance, it will bare little resemblance to realty,

This whole shambles was set up to achieve one objective - quickly bring the boss home so he can take full power. That hasn't happened.

What's next?

About 20 years ago a Thai client gave me a full size authentic Thai war sword (these are lethal!). His wife had it wrapped in bubble wrap and brown tape and told me to carry it as hand luggage as I was in business class. The check-in staff said fine, no problem. The security check staff told me to put it through the x-ray machine. Great to see how the screen warnings flash up complete with sound effects! A senior officer took me to one side and said they would put the sword on the plane and I could collect it at Heathrow, then took my name and passport details etc. At Heathrow, it came up the luggage belt - just before the first case. I picked it up and walked through customs with my other luggage without any problems.

A few years ago, we moved to the UAE. Two shipping companies came to view our possessions and quote for packing and shipping. Neither would allow taking my sword or collection of histoirc military bayonets. Both said its the receiving country that usually has rules to prohibit what you can take in; and that these rules have been significantly tightened over the last few years by most countries. In the same vain, as we all know, airlines are now much stricter about what they will allow you to carry on the plane.

I would put this in your check-in luggage and wrap it well first. Don't attempt to hand carry and rely on the airline "bording it" as they with my sword. That was back in the days when you could have a small pocket knife and not get it confiscated! I'd really suggest you check with RSA customs as well. Remember in some countries in coming luggage is x-rayed before being sent up the belt - don't know if RSA does this or not.

Hope this info useful.

wow she's like Maggie Thatcher reincarnated!

I didn't know Maggie had a big brother controlling her and calling the shots

Learn somethin knew everyday 55555555 !

A lot of empty-headed weak-dicked jokes aimed solely at Yingluck's being a female.

If the military are happy with the PM, whether male or female, it is not at all a good sign. Whichever country you come from, how would you react if the top military brass of your country came out and said they approved of the PM.??

If you can stop making jokes at her expense for one moment, try to think of the implications of this expression of military power.

Indeed Taffy. It's ok making jokes, but there are some serious undertones here. One person controlling the PM and DM role (ok, being told what to do by her brother). Now supposedly enjoying excellent relations with the top miltary officers. Hmmm, spreading the influence and control, reducing the likeliehood of adverse knee jerk reactions. Smoothing the way for what I wonder? Not good for Thailand if the military become part of Shin Corp.

Can Thai Visa not change the newspaper it gets it's news from?

Plus, she is unselfishly giving other women a chance to step in and help run the country. The best example is Pavena Hongsakul, who has been given the Social Development and Human Security portfolio. Pavena, founder of the Pavena Foundation for Children and Women, is perfect as no-one can match her saintliness.

How can she unselfishly give other women jobs, that would mean the alternative is to take all the ministers positions herself............well it will be family soon! Pavena is 'perfect, as no one can match her saintliness' ?

Indeed Jim. So saintly she got banned from politics for 5 years ! Perhaps just an innocent saintly bystander caught up with a bunch of crooks? Who knows?

The TAT workshop is looking at getting 'quality tourists'.

Dictionary definition of Tat:

Tat Noun. 1. Rubbish, junk. Abb. of tatty.

Used to refer to the kind of junk sold by crafty Cockneys to unsuspecting tourists in central London.

e.g. "You can't wear that old jacket, it's tat." {Informal}

Image problem?

Bleedin L. Somewon wat can understand proper English like wat I can.

Reminds me of a time when I was working in Savannah, GA and was invited to an evening out in 'The Englsh Bar.' There was nothing English about the place, in fact it was reminiscent of a Dutch bar/restaurant. The owner said that though he and his wife were very happy there, she did miss London and would I speak with her. He pointed her out and I tapped her on the shoulder and said "Orlright gel." She took the cue and for most of the evening we conversed using Cockney slang and the following morning my project team members asked &lt;deleted&gt; we had been talking about. They hadn't understood a word.

I know what a typical English pub bar is like. But, although I lived and worked in the Netherlands I cannot remember anything differient or unique about their bars or restaurants. How would you desribe their unique features?

It's like all the themed "Irish bars" that can be found around Thailand. Are these supposed to be Irish or American Irish bars? They certainly don' t remind me of anything in Eire or Northern Ireland.

These things are just markerting branding. Thailand would be better concentrating on all the rich Thai things Thailand has to offer the quality tourists it wants.

Word on the street is that some of those "Irish" bars on Sukhumvit continue to be controlled by those with "ill-gotten" gains. At the heart of everything big and beer-soaked in Thailand is a scam.

Yep - wouldn't go in any of them.

quality tourists will just not choose thailand which is only known for its sex industry and counterfeits, not what quality tourists seek in their holidays.

all thailand has to offer are low taste attractions and entertainments and if you understand thai and know what they said behind the backs of all tourists, you see what is behind their superficiel smile

You and I must live in a different Thailand then! Maybe Thailand is nothing more than a sex industry for yourself. For other tourists/expats it might be more than that. Why don't you go out and explore this country and find out that it is more than Patpong, Phuket or Pattaya.

I agree with you KireB. I guess most of the "quality" tourists that come here for the cheap booze and sex think that all tourists are like them. They select their destination based on the sex industry. You can imagine they would go to places like Amsterdam, Hamburg or Cologne and only see the red light districts and then claim "to know the cities".

Anyone who thinks Thailand is only for its sex industry and counterfeits demonstrates a lack of understanding ot Thailand, independant thought, and the ability to research something, which is very easy now with the internet and seach engines like google. The people looking for the sex trade of course will find it in any city.

The hospitality and travel industry is massive, There are professional associations and numerous college courses purely for this industry. And we get geniuses saying that Thailand is just known for sex and then claiming to know what quality tourists are really looking for. Who do they think uses all the 5 star hotels and resorts - richer sex tourists??? Beckham and Ronaldo came for holidays last year, and they can afford anywhere.

Thailand has so much to offer, and so much to do to clean its act up. But, so do most other nations in this region.

The TAT workshop is looking at getting 'quality tourists'.

Dictionary definition of Tat:

Tat Noun. 1. Rubbish, junk. Abb. of tatty.

Used to refer to the kind of junk sold by crafty Cockneys to unsuspecting tourists in central London.

e.g. "You can't wear that old jacket, it's tat." {Informal}

Image problem?

Bleedin L. Somewon wat can understand proper English like wat I can.

Reminds me of a time when I was working in Savannah, GA and was invited to an evening out in 'The Englsh Bar.' There was nothing English about the place, in fact it was reminiscent of a Dutch bar/restaurant. The owner said that though he and his wife were very happy there, she did miss London and would I speak with her. He pointed her out and I tapped her on the shoulder and said "Orlright gel." She took the cue and for most of the evening we conversed using Cockney slang and the following morning my project team members asked &lt;deleted&gt; we had been talking about. They hadn't understood a word.

I know what a typical English pub bar is like. But, although I lived and worked in the Netherlands I cannot remember anything differient or unique about their bars or restaurants. How would you desribe their unique features?

It's like all the themed "Irish bars" that can be found around Thailand. Are these supposed to be Irish or American Irish bars? They certainly don' t remind me of anything in Eire or Northern Ireland.

These things are just markerting branding. Thailand would be better concentrating on all the rich Thai things Thailand has to offer the quality tourists it wants.

At least , for this matter, she is smarter than her bother .

Who do you think told her to do this?

You don't really think she thought it up all by herself ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, do you??

So what's the point of being a defence minister if she's not going ti meddle with the militry. Hang on....the militry has a big budget, is she trying to get a piece of the cake from them?>_>

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Defence Procurement - big bucks and an industry known for its record of kickbacks, slush funds and looking after the politicians.

All those nice shopping buying trips in the shiny new Airforce plane.

Of course everything will be transparent and corruption free.

Sounds like he has schizophrenia or some other such mental illness...

Police video of the aftermath of the incident:

Mental illness - wow, impressive Sherlock. No one else would've got that one so quick.