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15 hours ago, kkerry said:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41023226

"Mr Rance was interviewed by the BBC for a story examining real estate corruption. The plaintiff dropped charges against him on Thursday, a day after withdrawing them against Mr Head."

Thank you for posting that.

I wonder who whispered in the plaintiff's ear?

22 minutes ago, janetdoe said:

Does anyone remember reading this "all dimensions" soundbite from last week? Wonder what General Dipstick has got to say now?

 

BANGKOK: -- SECURITY OFFICIALS have assessed “all dimensions” that could unfold today when the court rules on the case of former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra, including the possibility that she might attempt to flee the country after the verdict, said National Police Chief Pol General Chakthip Chaijinda yesterday.

Ah yes, but see, he specifically said she might flee after the verdict. Guess it never occurred to him, that unlike her brother, she wouldn't wait for the verdict!

Come on, after all she said she wouldn't flee before so he believed her 

7 hours ago, JAG said:

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You're right about it being a show.

If they cancel her passport(s), that just means that she will have to apply for asylum. Her status as the last elected Prime Minister of a country now run by a junta, installed by a coup staged during an election likely to return her to office, will mean that she will be granted political asylum. With that will come documents allowing travel.

Cancellation of passports will be no more than a speed bump on her roadmap in exile; but it will draw further attention to the nature of the regime, probably unwelcome attention.

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?/topic/999401-The-futility-of-another-passport-pursuit

"Her status as the last elected Prime Minister of a country now run by a junta, installed by a coup staged during an election likely to return her to office, will mean that she will be granted political asylum. "

A tad OTT, even for you! You missed out the bit about being the last caretaker PM or PM to be removed by a court for an illegal abuse of power. Might as well be correct.

As for asylum, depends on the particular country's rules. Wonder where she fancies? As a billionairess she can pick and chose just about anywhere. Plenty of 5 star plus hotels and resorts while she finds a suitable mansion.

If they are hunting her does that mean they will cancel all Thai passports and request Interpol issue a red notice? Somehow, I don't think so.

7 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

"Reprieve said the evidence and intelligence was used selectively against Lin and Phyo, and that the NCA material potentially pointed to other suspects that could have bolstered the defence case. However, this information was not given to the defence team."

From the Guardian story

 

Way to go, UK police.

 

You have likely helped to convict two innocent men.

 

What a proud day.

 

The UK NCA has breached rules regarding the disclosure of information.

The way that information was used and the result of that information being uses in such a way was not up to them. But perhaps they were also dumb enough to trust the BiB to be fair and provide that information to the defense team too. I'd also suggest the role of British Embassy officials who would have been giving guidance to the NCA be looked at. They are the supposed experts on the local country practices.

But none of that changes anything. The two men (they are not boys or lads as some insist) convicted may be totally innocent, or may have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time and either witnessed what they shouldn't have or been dragged into doing something, deliberately to set them up; or they could be partially or completely guilty. We will simply never know because as usual it all smoke and mirrors, conflicting reports, statements made off the cuff, leads not followed up, more holes than a colander and never ever likely to be really solved and justice delivered. Just like those Saudi jewels will never be returned.

We can speculate till the cow's come home. But like the poor Welsh girl murdered in Chiang Mai, the truth will never be allowed out.

"We cannot simply hold our tongues and not say anything for the sake of peace and quiet," Merkel said, adding she would discuss the issue "in detail" with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker when he visits Germany on Wednesday.

So Juncker comes to be instructed. In the old days the Germans would've simply marched over the border. Now they'll tell Brussels to go threaten them and if necessary suspend the Poles rights.

3 hours ago, notmyself said:

Ask the people you are supposed to represent, what they want.

Why would she, she already knows what's best for them!

"she could imagine creating a combined European finance and economy minister"

Not the EU could create but she will. And we can probably guess the nationality of that purpose.

1 hour ago, halloween said:

Now why would a senior public servant do something so blatantly illegal? What did he get out of the deal?

 

Yongyuth Wichaidit   TRT-Health Minister under Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra (2003–05) and advisor to Minister of Interior Kowit Wattana in Somchai Wongsawat's PPP-led government (2008), Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Interior in the government of Yingluck Shinawatra.

All just a big misunderstanding. He was handpicked for those roles because of his knowledge and skill.

Just now, Father Fintan Stack said:

No proof yet.

 

Those 'sources' you claim were actually one 'un-named' source that told CNN then the Thai media regurgitated it as verbatim.

 

The rest of your post is so ridiculous there's no point in responding to it suffice to say there's only one group that benefits from her disappearance. 

Your're making assumptions to suit your agenda as usual. If you've got your tin hat on might as well think outside the box.

Could it be the verdict was likely to be guilty but little sis didn't want jail time and was threatening to rat out on big bro and the clan?

And by the way, he likes his martyrs. More than one way to skin a cat.

But as one erstwhile poster said on another connected thread, some posters are drifting into Alice in Wonderland. 

The chances of even the Junta being dumb enough to abduct her are small enough to be laughable; about the same as her brother abducting her.

But if wrong, I shall apologize and be sincerely shocked and disgusted. And I trust you will do like wise as other posters have pledged to do.

19 minutes ago, coulson said:

 

Would not help the political juncture Thailand has struggled with over the last few years in the eyes if the International community. Prayut is about to breach the white house (a place where Thaksin visited on invite during his exile) after a long and difficult road convincing the world the military government was necessary.

 

Abducting Yingluck under political motivations further elevates her alongsise Aung San Suu Kyi - beyond the Martyrdom she would have got with jail time.

 

If I am wrong I will apologise to you, and I will also pack my bags.

Thaksin visited in September 2005. Wasn't that before he did a runner?

Nothing could possibly elevate Yingluck alongside Aung San Suu Kyi. Not even anywhere close.

1 hour ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

So she could have been abducted then. 

 

Interesting.

By her brother's political opponents.

By her brother so she wouldn't crack and spill the beans.

By some crazed farang whose become obsessed with her charms,

By Martians, or any other Alien life form.

But in the real world, PTP sources have been leaking that she was in Dubai safe and sound.

Disgraceful that Japan sticks to fingers up to the ICJ and takes the piss like this.

And because it's a close ally, i.e. lap dog of the US bloc, no one says anything.

Whales are warm blooded sensitive intelligent mammals. Unlike the unspeakable scum hunting them. 

6 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

"widespread confusion in Thai society"

 

Is exactly the purpose. Keep them snug and warm, water and liberally spread the BS.  

 

Keeps the Junta in power,  the people passive and the Junta lovers on TVF gnashing with praise. What better life?

Not just the Junta sport. Previous governments did just that too.

No wonder Yingluck went into mushroom farming. Maybe she'll sell that business to Abhisit - because they're all the same when it comes to spreading the BS.

3 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I will take that as a NO then. If they had any intention of doing it, they would have done so already and made sure we knew about it.

I wouldn't. I'd take it he's away on a nice jaunt and no one's told him what the official line is yet. So he just made something up he oped would be meaningless but sound impressive. Can't admit to not knowing, they knowing everything, about everything!

2 hours ago, smutcakes said:

He has a huge following, is seen as Pro Thaksin, there is no doubt he is dangerous to have around so needs to be neutered.

So you don't think it matters he committed a fraud to steal a large sum of money?

Good thoughts from the Japanese Government.

Hope they give the same advice to the EU.

Takes two to tango.

18 hours ago, seminomadic said:

 Me too. I think the kids in the pic might be retarded.

Please don't use retarded as some form of insult or put down.

Not only ignorant but offensive.

Less concerned about this than the hoo-haa about the trip to Hawaii!

I'm sure the NACC will make the right decision very quickly.

8 hours ago, Thechook said:

It's called blaming Cambodia for Thailand's incompetence.

Incompetence or a well laid plan?

And remember, either way, can't be a Thai held accountable, responsible and at fault.

3 minutes ago, jayboy said:

Your interpretation is not shared by any serious independent source.Prove me wrong if you want to.

 

Yingluck's mismanagement and lack of oversight have never been questioned.

 

P.S Parroting "Shin Apologist" every time you encounter an unwelcome truth or argument doesn't help your case.It just marks you out as a dullard.

 

 

Parroting "politically motivated" as an excuse for the Shins isn't dullard then?

Good that you admit that Yingluck mismanaged the scheme and was negligent, dare I suggest in the extreme.

The excuse "politically motivated" as become a universal dismissal of anything illegal or unsavory about the Shins. Some posters seem to trot it out without even understanding what it actually means. (Not you btw).

It's like insisting Yingluck was removed by a coup, or neglecting to mention Thaksin was illegally holding on to power when removed. It's more convenient to ignore the detail that doesn't fit the agenda.

The selectivity on who get's prosecuted, and if convicted the severity of the sentence leaves a lot to be desired. As we see from cases involving politicians, the very wealthy and well connected. 

5 hours ago, kmj said:

My guess is that interpol will decline to accept the request on politically motivated conviction grounds a bit like they did when the request was made against her brother about 7 years ago.

"Now the truth that had been kept secret during the two and a half years when the Democrat-led government was in power has finally come to light when new Foreign Minister Surapong Towijakchaikul revealed that ousted former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra was never on the wanted list of International Police, or Interpol, from the start.

The revelation came after the Japanese government spokesman confirmed that Japan has granted an entry visa to the former Thai premier upon request from the Thai government."

Source: Thai Visa Forum.

It would seem the Democrats led government never actually made the request correctly. (Didn't they find all that paper work to complicated?).

Whereas the PTP government actually requested visas for the criminal fugitive!

Do you have a source / reference to confirm you assertion that Interpol refused to accept a request on the ground of politically motivated? Or did you make it up?

1 hour ago, stephen tracy said:

I saw her in person one time. She's actually not short, she looked about 5 foot 10, but I didn't notice whether or not she was in heels.  She was quite a looker though. Definitely easier on the eye than DP Prawit.  Mind you, I've never seen him in person, he might just not be very photogenic. 

Very good that you find and attractive woman more easy on the eye than an old army sweat!

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

You assume she left by air from Thailand yet what evidence there is suggests this is not the case, rather crossing the border into Cambodia.Whether the Junta connived at her exit or not is irrelevant in the matter of Interpol/extradition.There is not even  a scintilla of doubt (as barristers say) that the prosecution was politically motivated so extradition is off the table, even in the unlikely event the Junta pursued it.

Only you and all the other Shin apologists keep repeating the "politically motivated" mantra. 

Do you actually think she wasn't guilty of negligence and malfeasance?

Not why the case was selectively progressed, etc etc etc. But purely based on the reported evidence?

But that's Thaksin and his family's claim for all and every case. So it seems, if your a politician you can never be successfully prosecuted because it's all political. And he probably believes his own propaganda now too.

But, as it's unlikely that any real extradition attempt will be made, we'll never know. 

17 hours ago, sweatalot said:

another smokescreen.

They are not even able to get the red bull killer found and extradited.

 

Aren't there reports that she is with her brother?

Yep, there are reports she's in Dubai. That's why they say there going to ask the UAE police.

1 hour ago, LannaGuy said:

Love the bit in the OP where the plod went to her residence and someone told them she's not living there anymore!

"ok, thanks and sorry for troubling you khrap"!

Why don't they just appeal for her to nip round to their station for a chat about it, when convenient of course.