Dazinoz

The best extinguishers for their size used to be the BCF. They were banned in Australia due to their ozone depleting chemicals. They were a powder like dry chemical extinguishers but so much more effective. I had a couple a long time after they were banned because they don't deplete the ozone layer if not used and if I needed to use them I would not have cared at that time.

3 minutes ago, notamember said:

i have used agents and know what they cost and what they do and will do again

its in my past postings on here, obviously you have not looked

i wondered what agents who simply put you with an amenable immigration officer charge ? 

Ok, sorry. I have read every post but don't remember users all the time.

They quoted me a price before they went to immigration and did say I may have to use another option. After the visit to immigration they wanted me to return fast so that they can go back and hopefully get that person again which will be today.

Cost for extension renewal was 7750 baht. I was quoted 23,000 for a Chonburi agent.

And they did say if I did not get extension they do not charge. I would believe that when I saw it.

7 minutes ago, notamember said:

so how much for her influence for you to use your own money/letter at CM?

from what you say i guess she is not loaning you 800,000 baht like the other agents?

Obviously you don't use agents and don't intend to so there is no need to know cost.

38 minutes ago, notamember said:

how much is she charging you for her influence?

More than my last agent but a LOT less than I would if I went through one of the agents that don't need bank deposit or income proof. I am using this time because it might be the case of not what you know but who you know.

2 minutes ago, Thailand J said:

Not a stupid system.

It's the same high credit card interest they charge everyone else if you choose to carry a balance..and why do you want to carry a balance on your credit card when you have money sitting in a fixed deposit account?

Do you get free flights on Air Asia using your ATM card? ?

Definitely don't get points on my ATM card.

A little off topic as I use the income method but have just been caught out. I have another thread running on this matter. The rate could be 30 baht to the aud all year and fall just before you apply for your extension, say down to 23  but thats what immigration use for the income conversion.

I guess too hard (for them) to calculate an average for the year.

UPDATE:-

Visited an agent this morning that was recommended to me by a member on here.

Checked all my paperwork and, yes, my income as stated on my Stat Dec is insufficient at todays exchange rate. Short around 50k. My fixed deposit account of 50k can not be used because immigration requires that the letter issued by the bank states that the funds are used as a security deposit and hence not regarded as fluid. Checked my everyday account and I have sufficient funds but not seasoned for the three months. I then produced the police order I posted above (including point 5) and they said that is fine but Chiang Mai immigration require the 3 months. 

So we then discussed my options and I did hint at using one of the ones from another province that don't require deposit or income. The agent said that is ok to do but would need to do every year as, in their wisdom, Chiang Mai immigration have taken a dim view of this and then make future extensions difficult.  She made a point a few times that CM immigration were strict with everything. I asked about proof of income declared on the Stat Dec and she said that at the moment its only Americans that they asking that of. What have you naughty Americans been up to? 

Anyhow they asked me to leave all the paperwork and said they would check with immigration. They phoned me about 2 hours later and said they had talked to a "very nice" IO and if I wanted to proceed to come back immediately and do the paperwork. So I hope to have the appointment tomorrow and get same officer and hence my extension.

Will update tomorrow if anyone interested.

1 hour ago, Millian said:

Well that's the same with a normal credit card.
 

It sounds like a stupid system, because potentially you are paying interest on borrowing your own money!
 

However, can see why some people would have go this route, if they need a credit card, but cannot get one due to Visa/income, etc.

If you pay the card off within the due time you pay no interest unless you get a cash advance. Plus you are still earning interest on the security deposit as you would if you had a normal fixed deposit account. You are still using their money as your fixed deposit account does not lose interest. And, as I have mentioned before I also have a couple free flights with Air Asia from accumulated points.

So if that is stupid, I am ok with stupid.

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The 50k baht you have may be accepted by immigration unless the bank writes the letter to show it is held as collateral for a credit card.

I will try.

1 minute ago, notamember said:

why do you have an existing agent?

if the letter covered 800,000 last year, why have someone do it for you?

''I don't think would be accepted as it is security for a credit card.''

you don't know until you ask

''My every day account has over 60,000 at the moment ''

so use that 763,258 baht + 60,000 baht = 800, 000 +

 

you want help and advise?

ditch the agent you do not need 

she sounds less than helpful

 

I have used an agent because 1. I am Lazy, 2. I hate waiting around.

But I think now I will do as you suggest.

6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That is- missing number 5 for the combination option.

Oooops. You are right. maybe next time I should look over the page.

9 minutes ago, notamember said:

The law is:

all money (2 months season  first time, 3 months second year)

all pension/income letter from applicants embassy

combination of both to make 800,000 baht total

(money does not have to be seasoned for combo method)

However some immigration officers/offices make their own rules and insist it is to be seasoned

 

i know a guy who skips the seasoning period with an income letter reflecting 36.09 per month in an annuity payment with an income letter from the British embassy and has been doing it since Barry Kenyon MBE sat in the big chair in Chomtien

 

 

I had a few words with my existing agent and she got terse with me stating that all countries have laws and I said I should respect Thai law. I said I did respect Thai law but I don't respect individual offices and officers making their own rules. 

I used Stat Dec(affidavit) last year and got the same this year. But taking into account the dropped exchange rate i came in at 63,600 baht per month or 763,258 baht. I have 50,000 in a fixed deposit account but I don't think would be accepted as it is security for a credit card. My every day account has over 60,000 at the moment but usually does not have a lot as I transfer from Oz as needed.

8 minutes ago, notamember said:

heres some valuable input:

borrow some money to make up the shortfall and do it yourself using the combo method

if thats not possible then use an agent

Again, conflicting stories. I am told you need 3 months, others say not. Someone quoted a police order number that says no. I read order and, unless I am reading wrong, it says I need to season. 

This from police order 327-2557 as quoted by a member on another thread.

1 minute ago, notamember said:

yet here you are on a forum seeking help and advise from people who may be sympathetic but mostly have not got a clue as to how it all works, legal or otherwise and are happy to peer down from their ivory tower and issue disparaging comment upon persons who have not gazillions in the bank

people with 800,000 baht in the bank or an income letter or both   do not need an agent and will never have used one, so what do they really know about it?

They only repeat what others speculate about agents on here 

like Chinese whispers........

Yes I am here to ask for help. Thank you for your valuable input.

8 minutes ago, notamember said:

you are the master of your own destiny

Yes people say that. I say BS. I don't go around trying to cause problems for my self.

3 minutes ago, notamember said:

people do it all the time, i know a guy who has a condo in Pattaya, did his extension  there for years. Met  girl, moved with her to Chiang Mail, rented out condo. He returns every year to re-sign new 1 year lease, re-rent or usually refurbish and re-rent his condo,

He registers his presence with a TM28 & TM30 and he does his renewal whilst he is In Chonburi as he is obliged to do and  as he has always.done

when his condo 'work' is done, he returns to CM and re-registers his 'old' address using a TM28 & TM30 in Chiang Mai

It does not raise any eyebrows in Chiang Mai and he has been asked only once and he told them

he follows the law, so wheres the problem?

For me I am sure if there can be a problem it will surface.

2 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

That is assuming one has a home there.  Maybe this "service" comes with a fake-address / mail-drop, which is unique to every applicant? 

 

While we are allowed freedom of movement, this is only Provided Our 90-Day Reports are Accurate, which would require a TM-28 to change address, and a TM-30 to match.  So figure, for each extension, a set of these to "move" to Chonburi, then another set to "return" to Chang Mai.  That is the only way I could see it working out on paper. 

Yep, can see this. I have done the right thing last 5 years and fell short slightly this year so trying to work out best way to go about it, I definitely don't want to cause future problems for myself.

13 minutes ago, saminoz said:

PM'd you mate

Thanks, got it and replied.

42 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Agent/Lawyer same same but different. ??

Heard lawyer jokes but no agent jokes.

What the difference between a catfish and a lawyer?

One is a bottom dwelling, scum sucking scavenger and the other is just a fish.

That is a joke before anyone gets upset.

2 minutes ago, notamember said:

i bet it was an agent in Chiang Mai who told you that to try to keep you on board

Bingo

6 hours ago, PoorSucker said:

The OP need to fill out form TM. 28,to make his official residence in other province, then make an TM30, after that. 

To the OP, go to immigration loaded with TM28 and TM30. 

Ok, Thanks.

9 hours ago, Will27 said:

Why don't you get your stat dec when the embassy does it's outreach visits to CM?

I already did that but I put the same as last year but due to the exchange rate I fell short on income.

I have to check when they come next. I think I am out of country then.

1 minute ago, AtoZ said:

Yes, hence why it's a stupid system

 

You lock x00,000 of your own money, and then pay rip off interest of any portion of YOUR money that you dare to use

Only if you don't pay in the required time. I got my CC to use with PayPal. Because as mentioned before it is an Air Asia card I get points for free flights so I use the card more than expected and pay off immediately, pay no interest and I get a higher than standard interest on the security deposit. Cant see how that is a stupid system. It is if people use stupidly. 

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

These "agents" probably exist in every province of Thailand, also in Chiang Mai. If you open a topic "agent for visa extension in chiang mai" maybe somebody will recommend one for you.

Yep, had message already recommending one to me. I need on that can do the extension without income or bank balance. Not sure if any in CM.

1 minute ago, WorriedNoodle said:

You can do the extension anywhere in Thailand, no need to use visa agencies? Just change address with a TM30 at new IO and have the money declaration correct.

Not that easy to have declaration correct. Have to travel to Embassy in Bangkok to get new one. But will do if I have to.