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48 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

Surley the Australian Embassy can see the situation with your baby. There must be a compasionate case for tests to be done there. Contact your Embassy failing that your state govener or whatever it is you have there. Failing all that a good daily paper in Australia with a story of a very ill baby and an uncaring goverment.

I have sent them several emails explaining the situation. I also have written to the Minister for Immigration in Australia but no flexibility. 

My next is like what you suggest and contact the current affairs programs on the main Australian TV channels.

Don't know if not going to Bangkok was good or not but baby was admitted to ICU at Chiang Mai RAM Hospital last night with pneumonia and infection.

15 hours ago, PoorSucker said:

No, they have checkpoints, if you don't have travel letter then it's a no go.

Do you know if done for travel by train?

17 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Sometimes being an Aussie can be a pain in the ass, especially when they are throwing money at ones that aren't and have never contributed to Australia

In the rules to have a test done for immigration purposes states:-

Costs for DNA testing Applicants for migrant visas or Australian citizenship by descent must pay the full costs for DNA testing. The department pays the full costs of DNA testing for refugee visa applicants.

So exactly what you are saying. They list 8 labs you can have it done in Australia all of which are about the same cost which is another rip off. Cost for Peace of Mind DNA test is about $300. Double that to $600 if it is a legal test required for any courts, etc. If for immigration like what I need, double that again to $1200.

Then add the costs of travelling to and staying in Bangkok. In Bangkok they use Global Doctors to do the sampling which is simply two swabs taken from inside the mouth of myself and my baby. Cost for this?.......4500 baht each or 9000 baht total, no discount for second or subsequent sample. 

Add all this and costs become significant.

I have ask to have sampling done in Chiang Mai say at a reusable international hospital such as RAM Hospital. Can not do.

37 minutes ago, thedemon said:

I used the pink ID card as my only ID at least 50 times on Thai Airways with nothing more than a glance at the card. Also many times on Air Asia & Nok.

 

Then I took a Thai Lion Air flight from Don Muang and was stopped at the gate because the back of the card stipulates that the holder can't leave their domiciled area without permission. I was about to cause a scene but quite quickly another gate agent looked at the card and determined by the ID number that it was ok for me to travel.

 

I thought the point of a domestic airline checking ID is to make sure that you are the person you say you are not to check immigration status. 

 

I would suggest that you call Thai Airways to explain the situation and if ok, fly with them. They are much less strict than the low-cost airlines with ticketing conditions etc.

 

 

This was with Air Asia. I handed my ID  and my gf pink ID. She held up the pink ID and asked for something, I assumed the letter. When handed the letter she was happy and printed out the boarding passes for the 3 of us. But then for some reason she must have checked the letter, asked the person and the next counter and then made a phone call and talked a lot with my gf and then refused us. I explained that baby had a medical appointment next day in Bangkok but said thats the rules and she can't go.

11 minutes ago, khunPer said:

I'm aware you didn't mentioned the infant as a problem – my reply was merely for another poster asking...

Yes I know, thank you. 

2 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

You shouldn't have too much trouble getting the baby an Australian passport, one would hope, and wish you the best of luck on that front. 

Unfortunately I don't think the Australia Government believes he is mine even though I provided them with a DNA test result. They want another one done in Australia with sampling to be done in Bangkok. Hence this situation.

I think if that is done he should be granted Australia Citizenship by Descent and then will be easy to get passport.

Just now, Techno Viking said:

You said earlier that she is not a Myanmar citizen hence the issue with Passports and an ID card, so why has the Myanmar consulate issued a letter ?

She was not born in Myanmar and I think maybe difficult to get passport. She had a copy of some work permit from when she first come to Thailand. She used this to get issued with the Non Thai ID. On that states she is from Myanmar. So hence the Myanmar Consulate issued the letter.

I am sure things like this happens a lot in these countries why record keeping is little or non existing.

What I don't understand is this "letter" is issued by the Myanmar Consulate. Her Non Thai ID is issued in Thailand. How can the Myanmar Government issue a letter for their citizens to travel within Thailand? Maybe its an agreement with the Thai government to save some paperwork for them.

53 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Under two years of age the airlines used to let a so-called "infant" on board, not listed as a soul in passenger manifest – in airline expression, infant under age of two years has no soul. But it's many years ago I was working in an airline, so things may have changed...

 

Checked with Google, here's an example...
 

 

In general it seem like that rule is still valid – numerous of links, however, did not show any specific links for Thailand – but proof of age is needed; i.e. a birth certificate. Air Asia has little information:
What identification documents will children below 12 years old need for travel?

What do I need to know when traveling with an infant?

 

I had already checked with the airline at the desk with the papers and they were confirmed ok and as mentioned he was not a problem. Previously his mum flew and got a letter. I checked that the same way before flying, no problem. This time the letter appeared exactly the same so I did not check. It did not emotion Bangkok so she could not fly.

23 minutes ago, roo860 said:

 

Take warm clothing etc, as the ac is bloody freezing!

Sent from my SM-G920F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

 

Baby appreciates that. He gets very hot.

33 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Why not get the train? Get a first class cabin and it would be more comfortable than flying. Not sure what the new fare is but would be around 5000 baht return for the 2 berth cabin.

Actually i just checked that on the net and probably my best option. Just waiting for new doctors appointment date.

1 hour ago, Naroge said:

Even if your GF get the correct papers to fly, it looks to me as if your child has no papers at all. Do you believe that the airline will let your child on board without any papers? .

 

Looks to me that going by van (lots of space for baby and equipment, very cold by a/c) would be the best option.

The child has a birth certificate. I already mentioned that. He was no problem. It was his mum.

46 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

Thanks for the honest reply. I can not give any advise on this apart from i would be talking to a solicitor sounds very compicated. Good luck and i hope the baby stays well.

Thank you for your concern.

I consulted a lawyer for the initial Citizenship application so might talk to him regarding the flight letter.

Just now, StayinThailand2much said:

Does she really have to fly? With a bit of advance-planning, maybe she could use other transport options.

No she does not but very hard for me to fly with baby with all the stuff I have to take. Was difficult yesterday getting to the airport with her helping.

And I can't afford to pay someone to help. Medical bills for baby is over a million baht and rising. Yesterdays efforts with all the bookings lost cost me 15,000.

Sorry to mention money but it is becoming an important factor in all this.

45 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

As you said if full story not available suggestions will come in based on the OP in which you stated she was refused at airport. Can i ask then if baby is ill why did you not go alone with baby on this occasion. Hope baby is ok.

Also if i was in your shoes i would take the wife back to maymar so she can get legal and then return to Thailand problem solved.

 

There are many things in play that are against me in what I am trying to achieve.

The baby was not planned, at least not on my part, but was born, can't change that now. Because he was born in Thailand to a Myanmar mum with no real ID and an Australian dad his birth certificate lists him as someone who is illegally or temporarily in Thailand. Therefore he has no nationality and therefore no chance of getting a passport. I will elaborate more  later.

At the age of 6 weeks he chocked on his milk. He died on the way to the hospital. By the time he was revived he suffered brain damage due to the lack of oxygen. The extent of damage will only be shown by time. However the doctors are quite surprised at his development. The neurologist has estimated his brain is about 6 months behind that of a normal baby.

He can not feed by mouth and has to be fed via a gastrostomy tube on his abdomen. This requires a syringe pump and other equipment. He can not sit up yet as he has no real control over his neck so sitting in a baby car seat for many hours in a drive to and from Bangkok and Chiang Mai is not really an option. He also gets very hot and requires constant cooling so again being in a confined car seat is not good for him. He is currently 10 1/2 months old.

To continue my first point, i researched and found I could apply to make him an Australian by Descent. If I can get his citizenship then I can get him an Australian passport which gives him a much better chance later in life if he is ok. So I applied to the Australian Embassy in Bangkok. Even though I had had a DNA test done they want another done in an Australian NATA approved lab. Also in their wisdom all 3 of us have to goto Bangkok to have the samples taken under supervision and that was due to be done today.

Before she got pregnant his mother (we are not married) went back to Myanmar to get her passport but nothing resulted except my bank balance bring less. She has made several "attempts" at get her Myanmar ID and passport but all that seems to be achieved is a lessening bank balance. His mother is not intelligent but maybe smart in certain ways. I have known her about 3 years and it was only a couple weeks ago that I learnt from her that she did not originate in Myanmar. She was born in another country and she doesn't know which. Her parents moved to China for awhile then onto Myanmar. So not sure she can even get her passport. She can go back to Myanmar via the army border posts like I mentioned but I can not and she can not go via a normal border crossing.  Maybe I am being played the fool but I have to try to do the best I can for my son while I am still alive.

So it is not as simple as suggested, we just can't take a bus and she just can't get legal.

11 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The agent should be able to get the proper permission. Not sure why it did not include Bangkok on the last one.

I assume she has been registered as a migrant worker and got the card that way.

We went back to the agent today and she explained to the boss the problem. He said Myanmar people can go anywhere (Thailand) with the letter. She said well why wouldn't the airline let us fly? His words "your problem". What an a/hole. So she asked for her money back (1000B). Cant do.

Yes she is a migrant worker because I remember they asked her what she did, but as she was pregnant at the time she stated nothing as I was supporting her.

2 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

Go by bus no hassle then

You don't know the full story of the baby health so a bus, train or car is not really an option. that is why i asked about FLYING.

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

I don't consider a second camera filming the back seat as truly a 'rear camera'. I would be more interested in catching the bugger that rear-ended me rather than the surprised looks on the faces of my back seat passengers.

Agree. Thats why I like the separate dual cam units.

1 hour ago, wgdanson said:

How did she get into Thailand without a passport in the first place?

 

They cross over borders at army border posts. She went back home one time and I took her to Baan Norlei where she went through the army border posts and came back same way. No passport needed.

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

If her pink ID card was issued by an Amphoe she can get permission from them if she wants to travel.

She used an agent to get her pink ID. Don't really know who actually issued it.

My girlfriend is from Myanmar and the only ID she has is a pink "Non Thai" ID restricted to her living and travelling within Chiang Mai.

Previously she wanted to fly to Phuket so she visited her consulate and they gave her a letter with photo and copy of ID in it. No problem flying.

Today we had a medical appointment for our 10 month old baby in Bangkok. I booked flights, hotel for 2 nights and transport to and from hotel and airport. She went to consulate to get letter but, for some reason, would not give her one. So we went to an agent who she had used to obtain her pink ID. They charged 1000B and got the letter. On check in at the airport yesterday the airline refused her to fly because this letter did not mention Bangkok. So 15,000B worth of flights, accomodation and transport wasted. I contacted Expedia who I had booked through and were very helpful including contacting the hotel to cancel but the hotel refused a refund. Expedia did give me a aud$100 credit for next time.

Today we went back to the agent and told him the story. Basically we were told our problem and nothing was done.

My question is does anyone else have wife, girlfriend in this situation and what do they do if they need to fly?

9 minutes ago, Michael Hare said:

Very very common, to get someone else in the household to sign on behalf of the absent person. Don't even have to show ID. And the delivery people are getting slack with the cards. Sometimes left, sometimes not. Very important to track if possible the parcel. My wife's new passport was delivered, no one at home, back to the Post Office, no one collected it and so returned to Bangkok. We didn't have a tracking number.  The people in Bangkok rang her up to ask if she had changed her address. They sent it again and this time she received it. 

The op had a tracking number and said was delivered. How do you deal with that? That is why I suggested to get police involved. Probably required if trying to make any claim from the original selling company or Post Office.

16 minutes ago, Techno Viking said:

Better to shut your mouth and wait for the insurance person to arrive.

 

Ive read all the stories about how the foreigner is by default in the wrong and gets fined but in my experience this is not the case.

 

Saying that I have been asked to admit fault so that the scooter person could claim against my compulsory insurance for their physical injuries, I declined.

 

Exactly.

I stuck to my guns I did nothing wrong. I did not call insurance company as there was not enough damage to claim. In the end police told me to go.

If they say it has been signed for I would get the police involved as your parcel has been stolen. 

Last week I was watching tracking of a parcel. Online said was out for delivery. I was home and was watching and waiting. Next thing tracking went to "Exception" (Carded), what ever that means. There was no card left. This was a Saturday. I did a post on here and with some help I located my local post office. Visited but was closed. Visited again Monday and finally tracked parcel down to another post office and collected. The following Thursday the card was delivered.