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Soutpeel stated that his wife carried a handgun, that she was licenced & fully trained.
I was wondering why they or she felt the need to carry a handgun, what the training course she completed involved and what ongoing training is involved. How long does her firearms licence last for and does that mean she can carry the firearm on her person at all times.
Finally, a few weeks ago whilst getting my haircut at my local barber (whom ive been visiting for a number of years) he dropped a fully loaded Ozzie pistol into my lap, he produced it from his drawer & yes he's licenced and carries it as a part of his formal employment. He knows my training and background and wanted me to check it out.
The history behind Mrs Soutpeel's 0.38 goes back quite a few years. It was originally suggested to me and I said no way.
My motivation was that I had seen the damage done by firearms in untrained peoples hands, while living in one of the most dangerous cities in the world, and along with my car keys, wallet etc I also had a "Mr Glock" which went with me everywhere, which was used on occassion.
Moving to Thailand, never really felt the need to have a firearm in the house, but as my job requires me to be away from home for long periods of time, and Mrs Soutpeel is home alone, she said she never quite felt safe, even with the alarm, gates etc, in the end I relented and said she could buy a firearm on the proviso she was trained to use it, and like never teaching a wife to drive a car, I told her I would not teach her to use a firearm.
There is one Thailand's finest (BiB) who goes to our gym, and Mrs Soutpeel was talking to him about the process of getting a license and training and he offered to train her, which he did, I went with them once or twice to see how things where going and she was getting on quite swimmingly and these days she is quite proficient.
She has a gun safe in the bedroom and everytime I come home from work the 0.38 is locked up in the safe, but I suspect while I am away at work, the 0.38 sleeps next to her.
As regards licenses...I am not sure how long they last etc, I have stayed out of it
Locally I know of 2 or 3 Thai wives married to farangs who are packing...
As stated previously in an another post, the combination of a firearm, a woman, and PMS really worries me...
...I try to stay out of Mrs Soutpeel's way during that time of the month.... ....but that being said a Barber packing an "ozzie" would worry me as well....little bit of an over kill me thinks, dont tell him he has given you a bad haircut... Packing normally means a person is carrying it around with them. If she's got a license to posses the gun, and does not carry it off the property as a matter of course, she's probably legal. If she's carrying it around to the supermarket or shopping, with it in her purse, without a carry permit - a BIG problem I would think. Such is not legal even in the good old USA (gun heaven), in most states.
If she has a license, she is legal..."not probably legal"....Whether the license allows her to carry a concealed weapon, off a property, as stated above, I do not know the T&C's of the license and have never asked...Has she carried the firearm in the car ?, Yes....Has she carried in her handbag at times...Yes, and would suggest the BiB who taught her explained what she could do and couldnt do per the terms of her license.
FYI...you are not in the "good old US" Toto...so a carry permit/US firearm regulations has no relevance to this discussion...disussion is about firearms in Thailand...
Incidently when I had my Glock, there was only 1 license, you had it, you could carry the firearm where ever you pleased as a concealed weapon.
Yes pal, I understand this discussion is about Thailand. I presume you are Thai and you are referring to your license in Thailand. If you are American and are talking about carrying your Glock around in your area back home, each state and jurisdiction has varying regulations concerning carry permits. Not every states carry permit allows you to carry it wherever you please. Some are quite restrictive and specify where you can carry it, such as New York. I am sure you know firearms restrictions are considerably more restrictive in Thailand. As I said before, I would be surprised if this lady has any kind of unrestricted carry permit. Oh yes, my name is not TOTO are you Dorthy?
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Soutpeel stated that his wife carried a handgun, that she was licenced & fully trained.
I was wondering why they or she felt the need to carry a handgun, what the training course she completed involved and what ongoing training is involved. How long does her firearms licence last for and does that mean she can carry the firearm on her person at all times.
Finally, a few weeks ago whilst getting my haircut at my local barber (whom ive been visiting for a number of years) he dropped a fully loaded Ozzie pistol into my lap, he produced it from his drawer & yes he's licenced and carries it as a part of his formal employment. He knows my training and background and wanted me to check it out.
The history behind Mrs Soutpeel's 0.38 goes back quite a few years. It was originally suggested to me and I said no way.
My motivation was that I had seen the damage done by firearms in untrained peoples hands, while living in one of the most dangerous cities in the world, and along with my car keys, wallet etc I also had a "Mr Glock" which went with me everywhere, which was used on occassion.
Moving to Thailand, never really felt the need to have a firearm in the house, but as my job requires me to be away from home for long periods of time, and Mrs Soutpeel is home alone, she said she never quite felt safe, even with the alarm, gates etc, in the end I relented and said she could buy a firearm on the proviso she was trained to use it, and like never teaching a wife to drive a car, I told her I would not teach her to use a firearm.
There is one Thailand's finest (BiB) who goes to our gym, and Mrs Soutpeel was talking to him about the process of getting a license and training and he offered to train her, which he did, I went with them once or twice to see how things where going and she was getting on quite swimmingly and these days she is quite proficient.
She has a gun safe in the bedroom and everytime I come home from work the 0.38 is locked up in the safe, but I suspect while I am away at work, the 0.38 sleeps next to her.
As regards licenses...I am not sure how long they last etc, I have stayed out of it
Locally I know of 2 or 3 Thai wives married to farangs who are packing...
As stated previously in an another post, the combination of a firearm, a woman, and PMS really worries me...
...I try to stay out of Mrs Soutpeel's way during that time of the month.... ....but that being said a Barber packing an "ozzie" would worry me as well....little bit of an over kill me thinks, dont tell him he has given you a bad haircut... Packing normally means a person is carrying it around with them. If she's got a license to posses the gun, and does not carry it off the property as a matter of course, she's probably legal. If she's carrying it around to the supermarket or shopping, with it in her purse, without a carry permit - a BIG problem I would think. Such is not legal even in the good old USA (gun heaven), in most states.
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Have you heard the term "dropped like a hot potato"? I think that's what I owuld do with her. Unless she is a police or gov't secutrity person. I doubt she has a carry permit. Highly unusual, I would think.
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Date a girl in America for a year or 2 and you will be slowly pushed into getting married. How is it any different in Thailand ?
No so !! Nothing like Thailand. Many American women don't want married & want to stay single and FREE. Normally, their families and parents don't have their nose stuck in the woman's relationship from the beginning, trying to manipulate things to their advantage. I dated my first wife (American) for 10 years before we got married. If you can't see the difference between Thailand and most western counties about this, you really have got blinders on.
So the girls that you have had relationships with in the US want to stay single ? then why where they with you ?
American girls like to lie about taking the pill, that is their way of getting you. I would prefer the Thai way over that.
They were with me because they liked me, not because they were "hel_l-bent" to get married. Never saw on lie about taking the pill. Most woman with half a brain would know such kind of trickery is going to backfire, in one form or another.
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Sorry, but my experience here in 5 years would rate the local girls, who have any interest in a romantic involvement with a Farang, as highly toxic substances to be handled with extreme caution. Non-romantic relationships with Thai people I have found very positive, maybe better than those back home.
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OK guys here's the "real deal". Advice from an "expert" or at least she thinks - Miss Cassandra James. I stumbled upon this today in my internet browsing. (see attached article) Note point 2. re: Buy Little Gifts For Her Family. She says a fruit-basket will probably be fine. Mys guess is to add a couple bottles of JW Blue Label to bring the value up and make the old man happy. It your intentions are honorable, don't forget to heed points 4 and 5 later on. Tally-ho to all !!
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So, nearly every guy on here knows somebody who is or has been cheated on in Thailand, right?
And when you were back in the west, did you know any similar situations back there with western girls?
What would make Thai girls so much worse? Or could it be the guys you know and the quality of the girls they get into relationships with?
You roll the dice and you take a chance.... But if the odds are bad, don't do it. My odds are good and I'm onto a winner...
Yes, I certainly know guys taken for a ride in LOS by the lovelies here, myself included. I NEVER saw (not with me anyway) American women playing the deceptive, double-dealing and money driven games that are played here everyday. Never saw one introducing a local husband/BF as her "brother", etc,etc. Some of the basis of this behavior here is because of poverty, but not all of it. I think a fair portion is plain greed and in some ways their view of a foreigner as rich, as well as stupid.
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Cheers Ding, I'm not rushing anything.
Just because my girl worked on Soi 4 doesn't make her bad. Far from it, I never met such a quiet, sweet and coy girl in my life.
Ya and you learned all that in only 8 weeks! Are you trying to be funny? Who thinks marriage in 8 weeks and even imagines that they have the slightest idea who that person really is. Give me a break.
Certainly "off the wall" in my opinion also. But, not the first I have heard of. I have a good lady friend here, who is 18 and had two offers of marriage (before the man even met her) from guys she met on the internet. Both live in Thailand and are Farang. Both were an itchin' hurry to come up north & meet her parents to "seal the deal" One offered to buy her parents a house and give her 30,000 bht per month. She told them no, because she does not want to get married now and wants to finish university and have her freedom.
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Why are you giving her 500quid a month? Also why would you give her parents 5K just because you meet them? (small gift for each is appropriate - dosh is simply low class)
£500 is not a lot to me. So why not?
The 5k I really don't understand, but we can talk about that on Tuesday.
Off to make a call to the Land of Smiles. cheers
500 pounds not a lot to you? And you are a bricklayer with unsteady work? So how much did you or would you make as a bricklayer each month? You must have plenty of savings stashed away. The request for 5,000 bht for here parents at first meeting is a new one on me and I thought I had seen everything here.
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Times they are a changin' !! Believe it or not, there is change on the horizon in the region (East Asia). See the attached article about women in Korea and the conflicts they have to face between working and marriage. A quote from the article as follows: "The no-husband, no-baby trend has become a demographic epidemic in East Asia. Among the 10 countries or territories with the world's lowest fertility rates, six are in the Asia-Pacific region, according to a 2008 CIA ranking. From Japan to Singapore, the percentage of women who remain single into their mid-30s is rising at historically unprecedented rates".
Sooner or later Thailand will also be dragged from the 19th century to the 21st.
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Oh dear, I hope this isn't going to turn into yet another woman hating/bashing thread.
OP is having dating difficulties. Perhaps he should try a little less hard. Perhaps he should take classes and meet people that way. He doesn't mention where and how he meets this multitude of dates, so maybe he's not looking in the right places.
Perhaps the OP also needs to grasp Thai culture a little better. At least among the Thais I know (and maybe city Thais are different) but a long term serious relationship is expected to lead to marriage. And yes, they leap into these things far more quickly than we do in the West. But, its the way things work here IME and if you aren't willing to at least understand their rules then perhaps you should get out of the game.
There are some exceptions to the "Thai way" that you mention. One the ladies that I mentioned in my post lived with her BF (Thai) in BKK for 4 years and never told her parents. She eventually split with him for the usual reason, he had another lady. The other one I mentioned is a bit more complicated, but she is not "obsessed" with marriage either. Both are very attractive and in their 20's. What's most important is that both people are comfortable with a mutually agreed upon set of conditions for their relationship. This should be free from meddling family members, who are usually pursuing a financial agenda or "hide-bound" to Thai traditions of the past. Just because the man is living in Thailand, does not mean he needs to dance to the local music and wind up later married into a situation he would have never done in his own country. There are also plenty of Thai men who enjoy serious relationships with women that do not lead to marriage, at least not a quick one. It is when a Farang appears on the scene that the cash registers start ringing, usually with the girl's family.
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Where are you meeting all these girls?
That is a very astute question. The OP made it sound like he has gone through many "girl friends" in just 1 1/2 years. It is hard to build a good cross cultural meaningful relationship in that amount of time, specially when one does not speak the language and does not fully know/understand the culture. Now, financial relationships, on the other hand.......
The OP is talking about meeting "nice" girls, so maybe we can assume he is not trolling the bars & parlors. It should not take over a year to get the "lay of the land" here about dating and relationships. The language barrier is a problem. 95% of the women I encounter cannot speak English, or very little of it. In my opinion, it is better to look for a girl with some passable English, than to to try to learn Thai, unless you have some talent for foreign language. It would take years to learn adequate Thai to go sparring with some of these ladies. Presumably, these women have had 12 years of schooling in English, if they did not sleep their way through class.
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My advice is just to keep searching. Sooner or later you will find one who is capable of independent thinking. I have two close friends (Thai girls) who seem to fit my requirements. Neither is obsessed with marriage. One I give money to and one I have never given any. One is very loving and 100% giving with her emotions and sincerity. The other is one who I would like a closer relationship with but cannot, even after two years. She is quite a complex person but with many good qualities none-the-less.
I would make it clear from the beginning that you are not interested in being "railroaded" into a quick marriage and that you expect that she (the woman) has some capability in independence in making her own decisions, She should also have some motivation to hold down a job and a reasonable level of education and intelligence.
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Date a girl in America for a year or 2 and you will be slowly pushed into getting married. How is it any different in Thailand ?
No so !! Nothing like Thailand. Many American women don't want married & want to stay single and FREE. Normally, their families and parents don't have their nose stuck in the woman's relationship from the beginning, trying to manipulate things to their advantage. I dated my first wife (American) for 10 years before we got married. If you can't see the difference between Thailand and most western counties about this, you really have got blinders on.
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I have one close Farang friend who has spent around 20 million bht in 5 years here. I wish I had that kind of money to blow.
Can you ask your friend if he is interested in older farang blokes.
He is married happily (he thinks) and his wife keeps a close eye on him. He is a "good boy" faithful & true. I don't think he's into guys anyway.
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My part-time "take-care-of-it" girl just graduated with a B.S. Degree in computers & business. She has temporarily taken a job in a hotel restaurant for 100 bht per day. I am waiting to see what kind of a real job she can get and when. She is not in BKK. I give her a set amount which I think is to much. To the guy who gives 3,000, most (girls) I know would not go across the street for that.
Does the B.S. stands for what I think?Obviously since the other girls you know don't cross the street for 3000 Baht.
No, it's not what you think. A four year university degree is usually called B.S. or B.A. (Bachelor of Science or Bachelor of Arts) depending on your subject major. That is the classification they use in USA, and I have heard similar tags here in Thailand. Yes, I do hear the other kind of B.S. from her. I can believe about 60-70% of what she tells me. It is what she does not tell me that is the most worrisome. It is a strange relationship, as most are here, I think.
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Just watch the bickering in USA that has been going on regarding the health-care bill just passed. ...and the squabbling has just gotten started.
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It might not have crossed your mind or your neighbours but this US chat freind could really be that, a first class joker, playing a game on her and her family might just end up with egg on their faces when they recieve sweet FA, not a dime in money but they have told loads of people about the lump of cash they think their going to get from him in the USA.
Loss of face big time...
I have started a similar thread a few years ago, when I was doing translations for an Internet shop in my neighborhood.
You would be amazed how easy it was for these girls to extract money from their "chat friends".
I wouldn't have believed it if I had not seen it with my own eyes.
Guys from the USA and Europe who were sending 500 Euro (650 USD) to help a girl's mother "pay the hospital bill".
I have also the complete wedding photo's of the daughter from a friend in my neighborhood who married a wealthy American which she meet in a chat on MSN.
I have seen similar. It seems there are plenty of guys out there who are "going overboard" with these ladies, even before they have met them. I have one 18 yr old that I know quite well, who has had several offers of marriage, before the guys ever met her. One offered her 30,000 bht per month, would put her through university & build a house for her parents. He was "falling all over himself" to get up from his residence in Pattaya, to meet her and her parents. Of course this never happened, because she was not interested in such a deal and prefers to have her freedom. Just take a look at the number of stories on this website about gents putting down 1 million+ sin sod, building houses they can't own & buying vehicles in their wife's name. I have one close Farang friend who has spent around 20 million bht in 5 years here. I wish I had that kind of money to blow.
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Health care is not "free" anyplace in the world, people pay tax and receive health care, not exactly free. Health care is a good thing but eventually Americans will have to live within their means, a lot of spending reduction is in order. In theory this might help but it's not nearly enough.
The feds & states have already done quite a bit of choppin'. Cuts to schools, and a host of other programs. Many states have got billion + deficits, most of which will be reconciled by cuts in spending. The problem is that there has been no foresight and planning for problems such as this for 30 some years. Americans think they can continue to get tax cuts and fight expensive wars in two countries. Dreamland.
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My GF gets 3.000 Baht/m. That's enough. She don't have kids but she have a job with an salary of 12.000 baht/m. She have a small app. at On Nut and all her Families are back in Hat Yai. She also brings me Noodle Soup in the evening witch she pays for
Easy it is, isn't it!?!
I assume you get more than noodle soup. How old is she, might I ask?
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Setting aside the issue that it appears the Mom is not living with her kids, which happens far too often in Thailand - and many times for all the wrong reasons.
IMHO 20K is more than enough - especially since you cover room and board. So basically all she needs money for (outside of the 5k she is giving mom to take care of her two kids) is to keep herself entertained.
Before you agree to rise what you give her ask her to outline her typical monthly and/or weekly expenses.
Many, many folks do more than just survive on little more than 10K per month.
Here are some points of reference:
Average Thai incomes:
http://www.worldsalaries.org/thailand.shtml
Some examples (2005 numbers)
Professor:
Man: 21,067
Lady: 19,662
Computer programmer:
Man: 16,336
Lady: 16,547
Nurse:
Man: 15,295
Lady: 16,892
Office Clerk:
Man: 14,928
Lady: 12,183
Postman:
Man: 9,206
Lady: 9,608
Hotel Receptionist:
Man: 8,334
Lady: 8,157
CIA factbook indicates per capita GDO of $8,100 USD per year - or about 267,300 baht; 22,275 baht per month.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/th.html
All this being said the area that more money could probably be spent would be on private schooling for the kids - or maybe moving into a place where the kids could live with their mom.
My part-time "take-care-of-it" girl just graduated with a B.S. Degree in computers & business. She has temporarily taken a job in a hotel restaurant for 100 bht per day. I am waiting to see what kind of a real job she can get and when. She is not in BKK. I give her a set amount which I think is to much. To the guy who gives 3,000, most (girls) I know would not go across the street for that.
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I had to return back to Germany last November, as I went nearly broke due to lots of bad investment decisions in 2008
Fast forward to 2009...
she mentioned that I need to transfer her at least 300'000 baht to her account, otherwise it will not be possible to get married, as her mother is demanding it....
She also asked for around 100'000 Baht to open a small restaurant in her village for her sister, which has no job right now.
Sounds like you're about to make lots of bad investment decisions in 2009 as well!
I normally don't comment in these threads, but this one's just too ironic not to. Of course you do not give her the money under any circumstances. That's the end of it. Everything else is just dealing with the personal emotional fallout of that correct decision.
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I'm 21 and my thai girfriend did the same thing last night ( 300000 THB ) + you pay rings party and 20000 for me ( 9 month relationship ). she is 20 no job no school intill i meet her she workt in a bar ( full monty precatly every night) and gave birth to a dead baby when she was 17. and if i dont pay she will leave me. Tonight i will make here the conteroffer of 100000 all inclusive and if she ( her grandmother ) not exepts her bag will be waiting at the door. and on firday i will get a call from her that she wants me back and that the 100000 is OK
Or so i hope
I really don't know why you would want to be with a woman who is obviously manipulating you for money, to the tune of 200,000 bht. To me, that's not exactly "chicken feed". How much does she want for monthly "maintenance money"? Bar girl, no job, no school? A dime a dozen here.
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So right now I am sitting in the student center of my university in the US. Surrounded by girls, lots of blond hair girls and the majority of them are fat and unkempt. They walk around in sweats and Ugg boots, go to class in their pajamas and often have wet or unwashed hair tied up in a bun. My 31yr old Thai wife is in better shape than 95% of the girls here and even the ones who are in shape, probably won't be by age 30. When we first moved here, my wife was shocked at how little attention to personal detail American girls give to themselves.
Not only do I find Thai girls more beautiful (and everyone has their own spec of Thai girl) but often the sense of family is greater. Traditional family roles, and what is to be done with aging family members. We moved back to the US to both get further/second degrees before moving back to Thailand, so we moved in with my parents because renting would just be a waste of money. Can you imagine telling your western wife about that?
Now, there are many attractive girls here, but on average Thai's win hands down. An educated, intelligent Thai girl can be one of the sexiest things around.
Good post. You've about said it all. I think European women have not deteriorated quite as bad as American, particularly in the "superior attitude" department. No doubt Thai women LOOK sexy, but performance is another area. Many "starfish" here, who could not come close to most of my high school GF's in performance.
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Thai girts stay hotter longer? Not from what I have seen here. Many are conservative fuddy-duddies by age 35 or earlier. Thai lady no do this, Thai lady no do that.
Hmmm... try another internet dating site. You will be surprised.
I've seen enough of them and reached my own conclusions. Over 35 =
Conservative/Old-Fashioned
Usually Poor English
Usually Poor Education
Often has children & "baggage" from previous relationships
Frequently has no job
Still lives with parents
More in need of money and/or a quick marriage than the younger ones
Possibly had time spent working in "entertainment venues"
Not as flexible or open-minded as 20 something and not as prone to "truth-telling"
Of course, the young ones come with their own set of hazards, but they are not as tiresome as the older ones. Dealing with the women is probably the number one challenge to living here.
you are delusional to the fact that the young girls can do better then you, they are out of your league. They know that they can do better then you, that is the whole problem.
If they can do better than me, then they can have at it. Maybe I might have something to offer in place of the Thai boy/punk that knocked them up at 15+ and ditched them for another GF. You have no idea what I have to offer or what any lady I might consider has to offer. ANY relationship with ANY woman anywhere, no matter what age is a challenge to make it a success. Age may be a factor with a multitude of other conditions.
...I try to stay out of Mrs Soutpeel's way during that time of the month....
Is Giving My Girlfriend 20,000 Baht Per Month Enough?
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Baloney!!! Money is number one here with 90% of them. I only met one woman in 5 years here, who I was considering a romantic relationship with, who did not want or expect money. ...and I don not make my selections from bar/parlor girls.