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OP, you probably have an extension of stay.

A visa, Non Imm F, and any other visa obtained, is a sticker in the passport, whereas an 'extension of stay' is a stamp that includes the words "EXTENSION OF STAY PERMITTED UP TO.....<date stamp>...".

I think you should post a picture of the last stamps you got in your passport to clear all doubt.

And OP, if you indeed have an 'extension of stay', do know that you need to get a re-entry permit, which is also a stamp, before you leave Thailand. This re-entry permit can be obtained at the airport or at immigration inside Thailand (in your case apparently Immigration Chaeng Wathana Bangkok) 

As Ubonjoe has advised, your baby will get a 30-day visa exempt when entering Thailand with you and your partner. Your partner will get another 90 days permission to stay upon entering. After entering, you can go to immigration in Thailand to get a non immigrant O visa for your baby, if you yourself are indeed on an 'extension of stay'. He also mentioned that, alternatively, you can get a tourist visa for your baby at a consulate or embassy of Thailand outside Thailand. But you can also get a 30-day visa exempt entry for the baby when you re-enter with the baby, without going to any consulate or embassy outside Thailand.

As he said, you can go overland at any border crossing other that the one at Aranyaprathet. You can also go by air.

6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I would say 7 days at the most.

Will just go with 7 days then.

Many thanks

On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 1:00 PM, ubonjoe said:

You don't have to do it all on the same day.

You can go to immigration a few days before your termination date and they will post date the cancellation to that date. That would give you time to leave the country before that date.

The work permit cancellation can be done before or after you go to immigration. Your employer can cancel the work permit if you give them power of attorney to do it.

 

How far ahead (how many days max.) can I get the cancellation post-dated by immigration at CW?

15 days as mentioned in post ID 29?

Thanks

12 hours ago, BritTim said:

The extension does need to be canceled, as otherwise you are continuing to use a now invalid extension. It is perfectly legal in every way to do this by leaving the country. Canceling at an immigration office is neither better nor worse. It depends on your overall plans which is better. The two most common reasons for formally canceling the extension are (i) you will be leaving via a land border that requires it; or (ii) you want to leave a couple of days later than the termination date, and avail yourself of the 7 days grace period to leave the country, possible by applying for a new extension (declined)

 

Doing the 90-day report is a separate action. Canceling the extension is not an address notification. However, you could do it during the same visit to immigration.

I was planning on doing the notification at Big C Lardprao, don't believe they do cancellations there also.

Perhaps I should just go to CW to do it all there.

Thanks!

3 hours ago, BritTim said:

(All answers assuming you will be leaving by air.)

1. Unless you have a reentry permit, canceling the extension is not needed if leaving on the termination date. If you have a reentry permit, I think it better to sort this out in advance at your immigration office. The termination latter should be enough to do that.
2. See above.
3. Yes.
4. 90-day reports can be made up to 7 days late, so you would be OK on June 25.
5. Usually, it is the employer's responsibility to inform the labor department of the cancellation. You, or your employer, needs to return the work permit book.

Thanks BritTim, and yes I will be leaving by air. I do not have a re-entry permit.

With regard to item 1, as is detailed in this thread there is the distinction made between the extension becoming invalid, and

the extension having to be, formally, cancelled. It is mentioned that the extension should be, strictly following the rules,

cancelled as well and from your reply I would infer that although it is not strictly following the rules, it is not

necessary to also cancel the extension.

So I guess the answer to item 2 is that one does not "have to" go to immigration beforehand to cancel, but one could

still do that.

Regarding item 4: I assume that you mean to say that if I would go to immigration to cancel the extension, that action

on that date, 25th June, would be regarded as notification as well, correct?

Thanks

On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 1:00 PM, ubonjoe said:

You don't have to do it all on the same day.

You can go to immigration a few days before your termination date and they will post date the cancellation to that date. That would give you time to leave the country before that date.

The work permit cancellation can be done before or after you go to immigration. Your employer can cancel the work permit if you give them power of attorney to do it.

 

Let's say you are on an extension of stay, and you have a termination letter from the company that says that employment is terminated effective from 30 June.  When you then turn up at immigration at Bangkok airport to fly out (on a one-way ticket) on 30 June...:

1. Will the termination letter be enough to get the extension cancelled there and then, or

2. Does one still have to go to CW immigration before that date to get the extension cancelled  post-dated to 30 June, and

3. If one goes to immigration before that date, and has the extension cancelled post-dated in that way, meaning let's say you go to immigration on 25 June and the extension is cancelled as per 30 June..........is one then still legal when turning up at airport immigration on that day, 30 June?

4. Also, if one does any of the above and intends to fly out on 30 June, but has a 90 day report that is due on 20 June......does he still have to do that 90 day report on 20 June, even if he will cancel the extension later, say 25 June, and leave x days later on 30 June?

5. With regard to work permit: does one only need the cancellation form and work permit book and nothing else, e.g. letter from employer or anything else?

Thanks

Thanks Ubonjoe!

Any such reports on the office in Bangkok?

Can one still keep the work permit book after it is cancelled?

So in practice the last day of work as stated in termination letter, is in fact not your actual last day of work, because instead of being at work, you are either at Dept of Labor cancelling your Wp, and then at immigration to cancel your extension of stay and/or then at airport to fly out!?

Point being, officially those two things (cancelling WP and extension) should be done on the same day, correct?

Thanks for the replies @ Ubonjoe & Edwardandtubs

For future applications of WP and visa/extensions, does it matter if date of cancellation of last WP and cancellation/invalidation of last extension are not the same? Say you cancel WP on 20th May and fly out on extension  without re-entry permit on 1st June, does it present a problem when at any time in the future you apply for new WP and new extension of stay? 

I mean, if later you still have to officially cancel that last extension, you will have to prove the last day of employment with termination letter, and with proof of cancellation of last previous WP, no?

Just now, ubonjoe said:

You can leave form an airport without a letter. If leaving at some border crossings they will want the termination letter from the employer.

Your extension only becomes invalid not canceled when you enter the country without a re-entry permit.

There is no such requirement.

If the extension only becomes invalid when flying out, does it then still need to be cancelled, officially at immigration?

I'm talking about a situation where one does not intend to return to work again in Thailand for at least 6 months after quitting job.

Does one have to cancel an extension of stay (for work) at immigration (BKK), or can one just fly out andshow a letter from employer showing a last day of employment?

And the mentioned tax receipt presumably is for last year's tax filing, not this year's (when one quits during the year there is no tax filing yet)?

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

You will use that date since that is when you entered the country.

The arrival card and the departure portion of it have the same number on it so that is the number you put on the form.

You can do your report up to 15 days before March 25th or 7 days after then including that day in the 7 days.

Thanks very much for clarifying Ubonjoe !

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

TM47 Form Fillable.pdf

Thanks!

As it is my first time and to make sure it complete the form correctly:

I see that I have to fill in date of entry and arrival card number.

1) I actually entered on 5 Oct 2016 on sngle entry Non Imm B visa.

I then went to apply for extension in December, and was given a consideration stamp

that is dated 28 Dec 2016. At this time they also already stapled a NOTICE card in my passport

about 90 day reporting. This card is also date-stamped 28 Dec 2016.

The extension was granted and stamped in my passport on 25 Jan 2017, with stay permitted until 2 Jan 2018.

That same NOTICE card is still in my passport and

says "Date of next notification 25 MARCH 2017"

and signed and date-stamped 28 Dec 2016 by IO.

So, what date do I fill in for "Entered Thailand on...." ? 5 Oct 2016 or 28 Dec 2016?

2) I do not have an Arrival Card, only Departure card.

Do I fill in the number of the Departure Card at Arrival Card?

Much appreciated!

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Your passport and a completed TM47 form.

Thanks Ubonjoe

Anywhere that that TM47 form can be downloaded?

I will have to do my very first 90 day reporting this month, I am on an extension of stay from Non Imm B visa (reason for extension; 'work').

What will be required when doing the first 90 day reporting in my case?

What will I have to bring with me to show?

I will most likely do it at Imperial World Lad Prao.

Many thanks.

Hi,

Can anybody tell me how the collection of work permit is supposed to be done in my situation where my employer submitted the application for new work permit (WP 3 form) while I was outside Thailand. I now have the new non imm B visa.

Does my employer (who submitted the application) have to go collect (with my passport) or do I have to go, or do we both go?

Does one have to make an appointment first?

Thanks.

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

I think all you will need is the your diploma like you supplied before. Since your former employer is a Thai company the translation and etc would not be needed.

I cannot comment on what the lawyer did or supplied. They are often able to get around the requirements.

Thanks Ubonjoe!!

Will propose it to my employer, see if the company can produce all the other required documents as well.

Just now, ubonjoe said:

Yes the are strict on the required documents. Not having number 12 on the list is the reason many people are unable to do the application.

You could apply for the 30 day extension and then apply for the non immigrant visa during the same trip to immigration.

And my next question was/is gonna be about number 12

12. A copy of the evidence of education and certificate of employment issued by
the foreigner’s former employer (must be translated into Thai or English and
certified by local or overseas Embassy or Consulate of the foreigner and by
the Legalization Division, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand) (For
more information, please call 0-2575-1056-9)

The copy of evidence of education is just a copy of a diploma or degree, no?

The certificate of employment issued by the former employer: technically speaking, the employer with whom

I will get a new work permit, is also my last former employer. We cancelled the previous work permit

and have applied for a new work permit.

Will such certificate, completed and signed/stamped by my employer, be accepted?

My employer before this employer is also a Thai company, but my chances of them providing me with

such certificate are non existent.

Last year (September 2015) my employer had a lawyer convert my single entry tourist visa into a

Non Imm B visa (he does not want to do that now to save on expenses). I don't recall having to provide

anything at that time other than an original and copy of diploma/degree (the English translation copy of which was certified

by my embassy and Thai MFA in 2011: I still use a copy of the certified copy every time).

That lawyer also did not use any photographs of the company and its employees while at work etc.

So will such certificate of employment, completed and signed/stamped by my employer, and

the English translation copy of diploma certified by my embassy and Thai MFA in 2011, be accepted?

Also, is it correct that the fee for 30 day extension is Baht 1,900 and the fee for conversion to Non B is Baht 2,000?

Thanks!

17 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You must have 15 days remaining on your entry or the 30 day extension of it to apply for the visa plus a stack of paperwork from your employer.

Requirements are here  change visa to non-b docs.pdf

Thanks Ubonjoe.

I see that for conversion to Non Imm B at CW, there is more required in documents than when applying for such visa at

Savannakhet.

Are the requirements listed in that document you attached, strictly followed by CW Immigration?

Right now I have 11 days left (not counting today) on my 15-day visa exempt entry.

Could I do a 30-day extension on this 15-day visa exempt entry at CW, and then after getting that 30-day extension,

apply for conversion to a Non Imm B at Chaeng Wattana (with submitting the required documents of course)?

11 hours ago, elviajero said:

1. No. You won't get one in mainland China.
2. I believe they will issue them at the Royal Thai Consulate-Genral in Hong Kong. But you should check with them beforehand. Otherwise the best location neighbouring Thailand would be Vientiane, Laos.

If you arrive with using a tourist visa or under visa exemption you can apply to convert your tourist entry to a non 'B' visa/entry. It would take two trips to Bangkok. Once you have the non 'B' entry (90 days) you can apply for a 1 year extension of stay within the last 30 days.

Can I convert my 15 day visa exempt entry to a Non Imm B visa at CW, using work permit application approval letter from Dept of Employment??

Would sure save me another trip abroad.

38 minutes ago, elviajero said:

They only use WP3 if you're outside the country. If you were in the country they would use WP1.

I tried with WP1 last week, went there myself. I wanted to cancel my existing WP and apply for new one with WP1 form, so that I could get that approval letter and get new visa (I was on a single entry non imm B at that time, and could not get extension of stay at CW, which I tried 2 days before). I was told that approval letter is only issued if the employer applied with WP3 form while I am outside the country on the day the employer submits the application. So they did not accept my WP1 application.

Should add that I only had 4 days left on my permission to stay at that moment.

The week before that I had tried to renew my WP with WP5, thinking I could get that approval letter, but that was rejectred because I did not have a lot of time left on my permission to stay, and was advised to get an extension of stay, which I later could not get.

My impression is that they only issue the work permit application approval letter when the employer applies for new work permit (not any renewal) using WP3 while prospective employee is outside Thailand. Basically there is no option where I apply for new work permit in person, and will be issued an application approval letter. This is what gathered from what one of the supervisors at Dept of Employment explained to me. 

Thanks Ubonjoe!!!

I will use the few documents listed then when I apply for new non imm B visa next week in Savannakhet.

I will bring the other documents as well since I already have those, but will submit those only if asked for!

See how it goes.

Right now I am in Savannakhet because my employer submits the aplication for new work permit at Dept of Employment today, as a supervisor there told me last week that I have to be outside Thailand on the day that my employer does that (WP3). I then need the approval letter, or the new work permit, to apply for new visa.

^^@ Ubonjoe

So what is listed on the website of the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs as general requirements is.....not needed in Savannakhet,

and Vientiane?

I wonder why it is mentioned there then.

^^ apology for spelling errors, typing on mobile phone.