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5 hours ago, worgeordie said:What's it name Morris,but seriously this man is exploiting endangered wildlife
for financial gain,it should be 3rd time and you go to jail,a 500 Thb fine is not
going to cut it,as all he will do is get another one and be back on the streets.
regards worgeordie
The new law says that he will have to pay a 500 Baht fine AND wai the arresting police officer. It is a genuine crackdown.
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13 hours ago, dexterm said:
Because she was Director of Labour Friends of Israel, and Corbyn has vowed to recognize the state of Palestine and to halt sales of arms to Israel that are used against Palestinians.
She is putting loyalty to a foreign country ahead of the interests of her own party and country.
So she's proud to be Jewish. That makes it OK to use antisemitic bullying to drive her out of the Labour Party, does it?
QuoteMs Berger's supporters, including deputy leader Tom Watson, claimed she has been "bullied out of her own party by racist thugs".
You haven't explained why that's OK.
QuoteAmong the other defectors, Joan Ryan claimed the party had "become infected with the scourge of anti-Jewish racism" while Ian Austin blamed Mr Corbyn for "creating a culture of extremism and intolerance"
And you haven't explained why that's OK.
QuoteIn February 2019, nine MPs quit Labour
You haven't explained why the other 8 MPs quit Labour.
I see Chomper, owl and Rookiescot all think that you've made a great post by giving you a "like". I think it's disgusting. Nobody should be making excuses for antisemites. Saying something like "Luciana Berger was treated appallingly, but Corbyn has worked hard to rid the Labour Party of institutional antisemitism" would be a fair comment.
Instead you attack Berger and claim there isn't a problem.
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Here are the predicted results according to Oddschecker yesterday:
Things are not looking good for Labour. Corbyn's car-crash interview with Andrew Neil on the BBC last night certainly can't have helped.
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15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:
I agree.
But don’t kid yourself, Israel and the pro-Israel lobby within the UK would rather the UK does not have a PM with a record of campaigning for Palestinian rights.
But you DID say it! There it is on page 1 of this thread.
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11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
Let’s see your evidence that I made that claim.
You said earlier in this thread "But don’t kid yourself, Israel and the pro-Israel lobby within the UK would rather the UK does not have a PM with a record of campaigning for Palestinian rights."
What were you implying that the "Israel and the pro-israel lobby within the UK" were doing? Presumably campaigning against Corbyn, since (according to you) "Israel would rather the UK does not have a PM with a record of campaigning for Palestinian rights."
You are clever enough not to make direct accusations, but it is clear what you are implying.
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22 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:I have said this before and will say it again.
Where is the evidence for antisemitism in the Labour party?
I see plenty of accusations but no-one ever provides evidence.
The same thing applies to accusations of anti muslim sentiment within the conservative party.
OK Rookiescot, can you explain why Luciana Berger and 8 other Labour MPs all quit the Labour Party in February 2019?
QuoteIn February 2019, nine MPs quit Labour, many of them citing the leadership's handling of anti-Semitism as their reason for leaving.
Ms Berger, who had a police escort at the 2018 Labour Party conference, said she had come to the "sickening conclusion" that the party had become institutionally anti-Semitic and that she was "embarrassed and ashamed" to stay.
Ms Berger's supporters, including deputy leader Tom Watson, claimed she has been "bullied out of her own party by racist thugs".
Among the other defectors, Joan Ryan claimed the party had "become infected with the scourge of anti-Jewish racism" while Ian Austin blamed Mr Corbyn for "creating a culture of extremism and intolerance"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45030552
Well, can you explain that away?
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43 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
You are wandering off topic with your Brexit stuff (which incidentally is a mischaracterization in its own right).
Bring it up in the relevant discussion and bring alongside supporting evidence.
You can surely see what I am driving at.
Remainers thought that it was OK to call Leavers "racist". Now that Conservatives (mostly Leavers) are calling Labour (mostly Remainers) "racist/antisemitic", suddenly it is unfair to call people bigots without any justification.
"Turnabout is fair play" is the expression that comes to mind.
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20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
And by extension, the accusation of antisemitism needs to be thoroughly justifiable before being leveled.
Indeed. But perhaps not so thoroughly that nobody can be accused of being an antisemite.
Remain supporters have frequently called Leave supporters "racists" without any real justification. There are hundreds of examples of Remain supporters calling the working classes "racist" on this forum alone.
Words like "racist" and "antisemite" are very powerful, and very dangerous when used without justification.
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I see that any Democrat candidate is favourite to win the next Presidential election at the bookmakers. $100 stake will get you $186 should a Democrat become next President.
I really don't think that this reflects reality. Currently, you can bet $100 that the next POTUS will be Republican, and you would win $210. If you specify Trump as the next POTUS, you'd win $237.50
Providing that you are prepared to wait until the 3rd November 2020 to collect your winnings, that seems like a very good bet. This is based on UK bookmakers odds, the prices may be different on the US betting markets.
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23 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:
why pity?
they have created the mess themselves
the islanders indulge in their antique political governance system
and are proud of it
oldest democracy on the planet they claim/shout/boast,
and yes - hasn't changed for 500 years
I take it nobody is interested in the politics in your own country, then? I wonder why that is.
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On 11/23/2019 at 8:19 AM, Chomper Higgot said:
Are Labour offering free cash to the Banksters and £Billions more for illegal wars?
I missed that.
Tony Blair has been receiving £2M/year for the past 11 years (from JP Morgan) for favours he did for the "Banksters". Tony Blair single-handedly launched the UK into an illegal war against Iraq. Don't you remember?
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2 hours ago, kingdong said:
Commission's from arms dealers?
Well, there's his multi-million pound a year job as an advisor to JP Morgan for starters. The Telegraph has him receiving £2M/year from JP Morgan as of 2015.
I honestly find it surprising that so many posters in this thread seem to want to "forgive and forget" Tony's various misdeeds while he was in office. Illegal wars, shredding his expenses, accepting tens of millions of pounds from the banking industry .... he's not a very nice man.
Here's a link to the Guardian - read the article and the comments below, and remember why Guardian readers used to dislike him.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2008/jan/10/whyblairsworthamilliondol1
Quote"I'm a pretty straight sort of guy" - Tony Blair
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2 hours ago, Jingthing said:
Yeah antisemitism is really funny.
Antisemitism is vile. Some people posting on this thread might want to think very carefully before trivializing it.
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2 hours ago, canthai55 said:
Same Old Same Old
Anyone who opposes what Israel has done, is doing, and will continue to do to the Palestinians is IMMEDIATELY branded an Anti Semite
Keep making these baseless, ignorant remarks and you will not see a decrease in Antisemitism but an increase as more and more people see for themselves what the agenda is.
We Can Do no Wrong ! End of ...
Interesting logic. You are correct, it IS unfair to accuse people of being bigots based on their politics.
I wonder how your logic would apply to Brexit?
Same Old Same Old
Anyone who opposes what Remainers have done, are doing, and will continue to do is IMMEDIATELY branded a Racist
Keep making these baseless, ignorant remarks and you will not see a decrease in Racism but an increase as more and more people see for themselves what the agenda is.
We Can Do no Wrong ! End of ...
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8 hours ago, puipuitom said:
I feel pity with the British: on one side a liar, who wants only one thing: be Prime Minister of whatever will be left of the United Kingdom, and on the other side a Marxist dreamer with anti-Semitic support.
As in the UK, the "winner takes it all", all votes per constituency for not the winning candidate are lost, instead of counted together to get a real democratic reflection of the total voters. With 5 parties, you can win – in theory - all constituencies with only 20,1% of all votes and have all 650 seats in the House of Commons.
Resulty: many vote for one of the two big ones, and the rest... is hardly of importance ( unless in Scotland now, there it is nearly one party rule)
Why don't you go and make some comments on the Dutch political threads?
You can discuss Holland's importance on the international stage with like-minded people. Maybe The Netherlands has an ambitious new proposal to build more windmills, or providing fresh subsidies for clog factories?
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Good old Tony Blair and his £60M fortune. I wonder what he did to make such a lot of money.
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11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:Students, people on low wages, people who can’t afford a home, people waiting for medical care or a doctor appointment, people relying on food banks, people working a full time job but not earning enough to live and people who are sick of Tory/Lib-Dem austerity and the damage it’s done to their lives and the nation. Hello
Those kind of people.
It sounds a bit like the working classes that you are describing. But you told us they were racist scum Leave voters. It must feel confusing holding all those contradictory opinions.
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1 hour ago, vogie said:
Do you think that David Lammy calling the Tories Nazis is fine, or John McDonnell saying about Ester McVey "lynch the b!tch" or Jess Phillips saying she would knife Jeremy Corbyn in the front and not the back is ok. You never mention how bad the disgusting language that the remainers use, any reason Sandy?
Any thoughts on that?
Inflammatory language is being used across the political spectrum - not just by Remainers or Leavers.
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10 hours ago, Yinn said:
Yes the English translation to the OP is ridiculous.
what the guy really say is about
“According to the EPA, exposure to the particulate matter present in incense smoke has been linked to asthma, lung inflammation and even cancer. In fact, long-term exposure to incense smoke was found to be related to an increased risk for upper respiratory cancers as well as squamous cell lung cancer.”
Phuket have the vegetarian festival next week. Is chinese festival, they use a lot of this one. So he just say good not to breathe it.
it will not reduce the air pollution from the fire in Indonesia. That’s would be ridiculous to think like that.
Yinn's right.
The translation from Thai to English is nonsense.
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3 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:
To clarify: is the working man voting to complain that he is not getting listened to, or voting because he wants to allow immigration from non-eu sources while being denied access to eu markets?
The Queen has more in common with the working man than do the buffoons who are sacrificing our country for their ambition and greed.
Why do you mention immigration? Is this an attempt to portray the working-class British as racists?
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9 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:
I thought they voted Leave because they wanted out of the EU. If it was a desperate cry for help because no-one was listening, then maybe Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg were not obvious candidates to lead the revolution.
I don't think that there was a "desperate cry for help". More a one-off opportunity to show their dissatisfaction.
They are the reason that Corbyn won't openly support "Remain" - it would be political suicide for Labour to ignore their working-class voting base. However, if Boris is the only candidate supporting Leave, who are they supposed to vote for?
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On 9/26/2019 at 12:12 PM, vogie said:Maybe like the rest of us he is sick to death of all the insults the leavers have had to endure over the last 3 or 4 years, such as thick, stupid northerners, racists, uneducated morons, facists, hope the old die soon brigade. So whatever Boris has said, it would seem quite tame in comparison.
vogie is bang on the money.
The mockery of Britain's working classes has been going on for many years. They voted Leave because nobody seemed to be listening to their opinions or representing their interests.
Even now, many on this forum openly mock the working classes. Well, they will be reading forums like this one. When the next referendum or general election comes, don't complain if you don't like the way they vote. You played your part in their decision.
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23 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:
Yes-I am aware of CS Lewis' quote-it get's plastered on the internet with great regularity by the Alt-Right in the rather quaint belief that it is in accord with their own libertarian fantasies.Thomas Jefferson will be wheeled out next.
It is a powerful quote with a powerful message. People who "believe they are trying to do good" can be amongst the most dangerous in society, because they never question their own motives. The tyranny of the sanctimonious, if you will.
I personally haven't seen it "plastered on the internet", but perhaps we visit different websites. Regardless, you can't dismiss a great quote because of the person who is quoting it. We shouldn't dismiss the message because we don't like the messenger.
To make myself clear, I am broadly in agreement with Thunberg, and believe that we should be doing far, far more to protect the environment. I just happen to like that CS Lewis quote.
'Poison' of anti-Semitism has taken root in UK's Labour - Chief Rabbi
in World News
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Very well, here is a different article from the same source (the BBC).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47400029
This time, they use the word "said".
I'm not sure why you don't consider Tom Watson to be a credible source. Until 3 weeks ago, he was Jeremy Corbyn's second-in-command, the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party. I congratulate him for not trying to cover up the issue "for the good of the party", as many politicians might. Instead, he took a brave stance against antisemitism, despite the political cost.
Let's follow Tom Watson's example and expose antisemitism wherever we find it, instead of trying to cover it up or trivialize it.