thenervoussurgeon

Forget how pretty and lady like they look with all the makeup on. How lady like does he look when he's taking the makeup off? 555

Many ladyboys will look fine without the makeup just as many girls wouldn't.

Have a look at Nok Yollada as one example. She's been on female hormones since age 13, as many of them have been. This means that male secondary sex characteristics are absent. Add to that additional surgical procedures and you're got a super model.

I must say that when you look at the pictures it would seem tempting ,but to be honest phycologicaly if it came to it i would still think in my mind that she was a man at birth, however as i will never be put in that position i will never put it to the test.

I have not read the entire thread, just snippets.

One post mentioned something along the lines of, you are either born gay, bi, or not.

I do not believe it is as cut and dry as that. There is a thing called 'change' there is evolution etc and people do change through their life. Something they may have loved as a youngster or early adult, they may hate with a passion when older.

Up until a year or 3 ago I was never attracted to, nor intrigued by ladyboys, nor obviously any men, even the feminine types at all in any shape or way.

In the last few years I have had some encounters with 3 ladyboys and enjoyed each one, moreso the second and third as the first was just an experiment.

I am not attracted to a ladyboy for any type of relationship other than discreet sexual ones. I have no interest in taking one to lunch or dinner or a movie.

As a transgression of these encounters, I have now been attracted to try an encounter with a man, but not any man, not a big hairy brute with muscles for example. The thought intrigues me to try, but I am not gay in any way shape or form. I would never be interested in it for anything than discrete sexual adventure of the less than vanilla kind.

I am only attracted to females and only look at them in the street and cannot ever see that changing. Because of that, I will also look at very feminine and attractive ladyboys, but they have to be extremely feminine and not the type you see wandering the streets normally or with most foreigners hand in hand, or somewhat sheepishly.

So I am living proof of 2 things here, it is not a 'born like this' phenomena and moving to Thailand can turn you Bi.

And that was the original question ,so for you it did seem to turn you Bi ,thanks for the answer ,but for an original post that i thought would recieve a few replies it does seem to have generated a lot of comments

Why is it that as soon as a hetrosexual man says something that a gay guy does not like they immediatly accuse us of being closet gays?

So have we established yet if this is one of those 'a friend of mine' threads ?

No ,i can assure you it was a friend on his first trip to Thailand ,after 23 years i do not have to bother to pretend ,if i was into gay sex i would admit it ,i have never ever on these discussions said anything bad about gay people or bi, up to them as i say as long as i dont have to join in or watch (i will make an exeption for two girls) i also do not approve of gay marriage in church or gay adoption .

My wife nearly failed her driving test ,but once the explained that you had to sit in the front seat to drive all was ok

On a thread that says, Can coming to Thailand make you bisexual! Are you sure?

Yes, I am sure that I was commenting on general sexual behaviour, and not on the behaviour of whore-mongers. Not everyone who lives here does whores and certainly many on this forum are happily married or partnered and don't do p4p.

However, even in relation to ladyboys, boys and girls, most customers don't get to examine the goods before they go on their "date".

I agree you dont get to examine the goods before a date ,but in the case of a woman at least you have a pretty good idea whats between her legs.

Maybe, but in the case of guys who become attracted to ladyboys, their attraction to the outward package trumps any concerns about what is underneath.

Many of these ladyboy lovers were not initially aware that most of these ladyboys have penises. It's a problem they deal with later, when the clothes come off and they are sexually aroused. At that stage they are not usually thinking with their big heads and they'll do things that people sitting at their computers wouldn't dream of.

Tropo

with hand on heart and sitting here at my computer i can assure you that no matter how good a ladyboy looked (and assuming i did not know the differance) if a meat and two veg poped out of the panties my little head would get even littler.

On a thread that says, Can coming to Thailand make you bisexual! Are you sure?

Yes, I am sure that I was commenting on general sexual behaviour, and not on the behaviour of whore-mongers. Not everyone who lives here does whores and certainly many on this forum are happily married or partnered and don't do p4p.

However, even in relation to ladyboys, boys and girls, most customers don't get to examine the goods before they go on their "date".

I agree you dont get to examine the goods before a date ,but in the case of a woman at least you have a pretty good idea whats between her legs.

on our estate which is quite small there are 5 brits ,1 chinese and 1 from hong kong and thats in 3 small streets.

Jingthing

maybe you have a point ,it could be a fetish,

note to self

"can coming to Thailand turn you into a feteshist?)

see this argument will go on for ever, because in your veiw, you say if you chase ladyboys you arnt gay,

but in my veiw i think the man would be gay,

this is the kind of thing that makes our world so special, in that everyone is differant in there opinion,

i think if you go or chace ladyboys you are gay,

why dont some of the posters here on TV ask there wifes/ girl friends if they think a man gay if he fcuks ladyboys, and would they still go with that man??

ill ask my wife later when i ring her when she wakes up,

jake

Yeah I get it. Different opinions. But funny, people who identify as gay usually don't think of hetero modeled LB sex as gay. Wouldn't gay people know what gay is better than non-gay people? Gay and gender identity isn't just about sexual organs. I'm sure there are married men who the world thinks are hetero who love their woman backdoor style and fantasize she's a man. Now, that is gay.

see this argument will go on for ever, because in your veiw, you say if you chase ladyboys you arnt gay,

but in my veiw i think the man would be gay,

this is the kind of thing that makes our world so special, in that everyone is differant in there opinion,

i think if you go or chace ladyboys you are gay,

why dont some of the posters here on TV ask there wifes/ girl friends if they think a man gay if he fcuks ladyboys, and would they still go with that man??

ill ask my wife later when i ring her when she wakes up,

jake

Yeah I get it. Different opinions. But funny, people who identify as gay usually don't think of hetero modeled LB sex as gay. Wouldn't gay people know what gay is better than non-gay people? Gay and gender identity isn't just about sexual organs. I'm sure there are married men who the world thinks are hetero who love their woman backdoor style and fantasize she's a man. Now, that is gay.

Ever thought that men use the backdoor on the wife ,because after time the front door is a little to large and not because they really want a man?

Well i have been to san francisco and i have visited fishermans wharfe ,i am neither a fisherman or gay ,so did i do something wrong when i was there?

ps i didnt wear any flowers in my hair either i also went over the golden gate bridge and felt no inclination to jump off ,but when i was in disneyland in Anaheim i hugged goofey and had my picture taken with him, oh God am i bi

You clearly missed the real flavor of San Francisco. It makes sense to me that adventurous tourists crave a taste of ladyboy action in Pattaya, world famous haven for Thai ladyboys.

I can assure you that when i came here 23 years ago i was very adventurous but never once wanted to roger a ladyboy ,mind you the first one i met even made me look good looking

Err.. get used to it?

Why should I?

Because that's the way it works in Thailand.

And the average Thai if brains were gunpwder they couldnt blow their hats off.

but we love em anyway T.I.T

Well i have been to san francisco and i have visited fishermans wharfe ,i am neither a fisherman or gay ,so did i do something wrong when i was there?

ps i didnt wear any flowers in my hair either i also went over the golden gate bridge and felt no inclination to jump off ,but when i was in disneyland in Anaheim i hugged goofey and had my picture taken with him, oh God am i bi

Tchooptip

So are you saying that if my friend had not come to Thailand he would have eventually had a bisexual experiance with a ladyboy (or transexual in Britain) if he had never come here, or that by coming here he didnt become or find out that he was bisexual?

can you clarify?

Sorry I thought it was clear, I was not saying anything more , simply "for me" both questions formulations are equally idiotic, for if one is not bisexual, Thailand China... the moon will not change anyone's sexual orientation. I have seen in LOS a few very very sexy ladyboys, absolutely impossible to guess they were no girls, but the very second I was told they were ladyboys the sex-appeal vanished instantly, OK in Thailand it is easier for non attractive men to have sex with young/beautiful girls, that's all! But reassure your friend it's not a shame anymore to be homo nowadays

PS: The most intelligent man may ask idiotic question from time to time (in case you need to be reassure too LOL)

To say that to be homosexual is no shame these days ,i must disagree ,for me and you perhaps we do not care ,but to millions of people around the world it is shamefull ,and believe me it is shamefull to many many people on these boards.

Tchooptip

So are you saying that if my friend had not come to Thailand he would have eventually had a bisexual experiance with a ladyboy (or transexual in Britain) if he had never come here, or that by coming here he didnt become or find out that he was bisexual?

can you clarify?

that is the reason most lonely farang men come to LOS,

lack of sex in their home countries . whichever direction they choose to swing .

of course i am differnt , i came to thailand for,, 2 dots and a dash.

Well i never came here because i was lonely ,i came because i was persuaded by the guy selling holidays ,at the time i didnt have a clue about Thailand and sex tourism ,our friend came here because he knew us and just wanted a holiday ,thats not to say that many of us dont come back because of the abundance of young women(or in his case young ladyboys)

My friend has run a dating agency for over 20 odd years ,girls have never been a problem but men who have to pay ,oh boy they are very scarce and advertizing costs are a crippler

ps his wife always signed up the bar girls but never offered them to clients

Tchooptip

So are you saying that if my friend had not come to Thailand he would have eventually had a bisexual experiance with a ladyboy (or transexual in Britain) if he had never come here, or that by coming here he didnt become or find out that he was bisexual?

can you clarify?

So any decisions yet ,can coming to Thailand make you bisexual? and by that i mean someone who has never had sex with a man and a woman all of a sudden when coming here start having sex with ladyboys(who are men) as uposed to only having sex with women previously ,who says yes and who says no

I've seen it with my own eyes, and know of two men that have arrived in Thailand heterosexual,

and decided to have sex with ladyboys, knowing full well what they were doing.

So the answer is yes coming to Thailand can make you bisexual.

But it can also make you many other things too.

This is so ridiculous. Do you think their sexual orientation changed just because of some kinky adventures with ladyboys? You are confusing sex actions with sexual orientation. Nothing changed. They were already whatever they were before they arrived in Thailand.

Perhaps the question i should have asked ,"can coming to Thailand lead to a bisexual experiance"

Farangs complaining about the rights that immigrants get in their home countries, whilst whining about the lack of rights they have in Thailand.

Is that irony or just plain old whinging ?

God ,are there expats here complaining that the Thai govt dont give free medical care,free housing ,money to live on every week ,pensiones and dont hand out brochures in 50 different languages ,plus free legal aid ? like immegrants do in Britain, bastards let me at em/

So any decisions yet ,can coming to Thailand make you bisexual? and by that i mean someone who has never had sex with a man and a woman all of a sudden when coming here start having sex with ladyboys(who are men) as uposed to only having sex with women previously ,who says yes and who says no

In the above, if you change the word 'bisexual' to 'sexually attracted to ladyboys' then you've earned yourself a 'Yes' from me.

I accept that not everyone gets the distinction, but in short it means that he's not going to now be sexually interested in men some of the time when he goes back home. In that sense he is not 'turned' bisexual. But if we can agree the terms as I phrased it above then I'll stick with a 'yes'. (Without a common understanding and agreement on terms, 'yes' and 'no' become meaningless; otherwise we'd be done by page 2. Much of the debate has been a meta-discussion on the glossary, not on the actual topic of a change in sexual preferences)

Sorry but i can only use the word bisexual as a ladyboy is still a man and always will be ,he may feel like a woman ,look like a woman and really want to be a woman even to having his jewels removed ,but sorry he is still a man ,i am not trying to offend but biologically that is what he is.

So any decisions yet ,can coming to Thailand make you bisexual? and by that i mean someone who has never had sex with a man and a woman all of a sudden when coming here start having sex with ladyboys(who are men) as uposed to only having sex with women previously ,who says yes and who says no

I dont think i have made one yet.

dont you just love these experts

Yes there appear to be thousands of them posting about ladyboys and gays on Thaivisa. Unfortunately the vast majority of them are neither ladyboys nor gay which makes you wonder where they actually gained their expertise.

thats like saying you need to be a woman to be a gynecologist

Well i am not a gynecologist ,but if there are any women out there need help ,i dont mind giving it a go.