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I do not want think about, what would have been possible with the money from the rice scheme.
They could have modernize all schools and government hospitals across the country.
Now this money is gone and the country debt has reached a new high.

I posted this on another thread before this topic opened, sorry.

Best headline of the day from one of the other English language newspapers.

The government hasn't got the money to pay the farmers because they haven't sold enough of the overpriced rice.

Perhaps some of the wealthy members of PTP could dip into their savings accounts and assist the rice farmers?

Maybe an own goal coming up.

May not sold enough rice,

but the finance ministry said the BAAC have 500 Billion Baht revolving fund plus 180 Billion Baht returned.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/683698-thai-finance-ministry-baac-has-sufficient-funds-for-rice-subsidy/

The BAAC reported they have no money.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/683351-thai-bank-clarifies-why-it-has-no-money-to-pay-rice-farmers/

so where is that money now?

who get what, for what?

There must be a very big dark hole.

Absorbing a lot.

Can't believe some people are complaining and moaning about Yingluck being on the ballot.

The entire country has to put up with the nutcase Suthep for months.

It would be helpful if you could not only spread this one-line messages agitation.

Attempt to reflect more.

That would be helpfull.

Thx.

Clear, balanced, analytical, reflective, critical capability, forward thinking.

Full approval

"If majority control of Parliament is considered a licence to do anything or a lucrative "concession", elections will not be fought for the people's wellbeing but more and more for vested interests. And when vested interests overtake the people's wellbeing in politics, corruption will prevail."

and

"Surin's second point is that the country's bureaucracy needs a major revamp as well. The seemingly idealistic idea of giving elected politicians absolute control of bureaucratic transfers, appointments and promotions has bred nepotism, which leads to inefficiency."

In a parliamentary democracy, yes,,it means that as long as the leading party maintains a majority, they can do what they want.

It works well in the uk to deliver decisive effective government for 5 years.. It also requires a free and vibrant press to hold the politicians to account, a vibrant opposition who nibble at the government all the time,and a need for MPs to connect with their populous to do something.

None of which exists in thailand. Could you imagine anyone daring to do an expenses scandal expose in thailand? The bloke who went after yingluck with her meeting in the hotel miraculously disappeared and was killed for 5k USD.

Oh yes Thailand. The land of shamocracy.

Is there any http reference to read about this 5 K bloke?

The ponzi man. Ekayuht or ekkarat. Funny how he survived for years after nicking all that cash. The moment he's about to go to court after accusing yinglyck of improper behaviour.

Sorry i do not understand.

Can you give a http reference?

Clear, balanced, analytical, reflective, critical capability, forward thinking.

Full approval

"If majority control of Parliament is considered a licence to do anything or a lucrative "concession", elections will not be fought for the people's wellbeing but more and more for vested interests. And when vested interests overtake the people's wellbeing in politics, corruption will prevail."

and

"Surin's second point is that the country's bureaucracy needs a major revamp as well. The seemingly idealistic idea of giving elected politicians absolute control of bureaucratic transfers, appointments and promotions has bred nepotism, which leads to inefficiency."

In a parliamentary democracy, yes,,it means that as long as the leading party maintains a majority, they can do what they want.

It works well in the uk to deliver decisive effective government for 5 years.. It also requires a free and vibrant press to hold the politicians to account, a vibrant opposition who nibble at the government all the time,and a need for MPs to connect with their populous to do something.

None of which exists in thailand. Could you imagine anyone daring to do an expenses scandal expose in thailand? The bloke who went after yingluck with her meeting in the hotel miraculously disappeared and was killed for 5k USD.

Oh yes Thailand. The land of shamocracy.

Is there any http reference to read about this 5 K bloke?

Surin Pitsuwan has always been one of my favorite politicians in Thailand for many many years but he left to take over the Asean Secretary General and left the Democrat Part in a dilemma with good people that could have lead the Democrat Party after Chuan left. He enjoys strong respect in the deep South as he knows the problem. I think Surin Pitsuwan could be one day a good PM of Thailand.

He has the experience that Abhisit never had. If he sets up his own political party he would be able to easily win the districts of Nakhon Si Thammarat, Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat but it would be a set back for the Democrat Party. May be the Demcrat Party should rename the Party and let Surin take over. I am sure Chuan would be very happy to have Surin on board again. As Abhisit also Surin is very clean.

If Yingluck wins the next election it would be great to have the Democrat Party under Surin to join the coalition with PTP and the other small parties can move into the opposition such as CP, CT, BJ, etc which are any way only on board to make money. PTP surely win again the next election but with the top of the Democrat Party gone and replaced by people's like Surin Pitsuwan with some very good academics and not any one from the private sector could be a way to have a national government. I think many Thai's would welcome this.

May be I am dreaming to much

Who is a good person from the upper side north / east?

Of course she is a party list candidate. Can't have her facing an electorate that might ask questions about perjury, parliamentary attendance or lack of it, committees she chairs without attending or accepting responsibility for, the costs and benefits of her incessant travel, her lack of veracity and consistency about her brother's influence, how much she has benefited from the rice scam, how much she would have benefited from the amnesty cash return flow on, etc.

These are personal issues before they question her party's policies, economic mismanagement, corruption and willingness to plunge the nation into debt.

As a party list candidate she is guaranteed a seat, even if she never uses it, if her party gets only a small number of votes. In systems without a party list, PMs who have proven themselves far from ideal have been given the boot from supposedly safe seats. Here, scum like the Shin clan and Chalerm are guaranteed election. If that doesn't suck, what does?

Sorry for asking again, because i do not know.

Was there any election in the PTP to vote for her?

Can not belief and never experienced that a decision-making within a party is so f****ing quick!

Can somebody, please put some light in this darkness, please?

It was quick because only one person had to decide, the rest followed orders, and the election was for the press release.

That sounds bad.

I just want to know if was any election inside the PTP to vote for her new leaders (today)?

How they can do it?

Was there a party conference with all party members?

Of course she is a party list candidate. Can't have her facing an electorate that might ask questions about perjury, parliamentary attendance or lack of it, committees she chairs without attending or accepting responsibility for, the costs and benefits of her incessant travel, her lack of veracity and consistency about her brother's influence, how much she has benefited from the rice scam, how much she would have benefited from the amnesty cash return flow on, etc.

These are personal issues before they question her party's policies, economic mismanagement, corruption and willingness to plunge the nation into debt.

As a party list candidate she is guaranteed a seat, even if she never uses it, if her party gets only a small number of votes. In systems without a party list, PMs who have proven themselves far from ideal have been given the boot from supposedly safe seats. Here, scum like the Shin clan and Chalerm are guaranteed election. If that doesn't suck, what does?

One one problem left: how to explain this to all those voters upcountry ……….

If Surin could convince the Democrats to make 'land reform' to be the centerpiece of their platform, it could certainly make a lot of people stop and think. I commend Surin for raising this issue because it is rarely discussed in Thailand.

I am not so sure about the land reform and have to pass a bit. I have met many Isaan farmers and they all have at least 3-10 Rai on average and land was passed on for generations. Parents some time have around 30 Rai's but they have to split it between the different siblings.

If there have there own, good.

But i know also many farmers, they have to rent there land to make rice, or fruits.

Easy, if you have enough money,
Fly to any destination you like.
But no heavy suitcases, ok?

Just asking, because i do not know.
Was there any election in the PTP to vote for her?
Can not belief and never experienced that a decision-making within a party is so f****ing quick!

Wake up PTP!!!
Work constructively to build up a good country for everybody.

Edit:?

Guess he is still pissed from missing the toilets.

I agree with EmptySet re vote buying if, as most posters on TVF suggest, you mean handing a bit of cash to the electorate 1 by 1.

However, the local political machines do fairly well control local politics in a manner that very much is vote buying. They get paid to deliver votes and made promises of local improvements based upon the party making the promises winning the district. They have a great deal of power locally and do use it. The village chief gets handed a wad of cash, and told you will get a new water tower, or your roads will be repaved etc if you deliver your people. Note that the contracts for the improvements go to the political allies of the government in most cases.

This makes it almost impossible for foreign observers to see the irregularities. They would 1) Have to be reported locally and 2) have someone with the political will to follow up on the reports 3) have penalties in place that actually discourage this.

What is amazing is that some people still get red carded for handing out cash.

So what you´re saying is that it works in the exact same manner it does all over the world, i.e empty promises about fixing roads, new water tower, etc, etc, to get people to vote for you?

Except maybe the "hard cash" vote buying. But I think we all know by now that both sides are pretty much equally guilty when it comes to that...

It would be nice, but from 100% Budget money the people get only 30-40%, and when u ask where are the difference, then you get not Data or answer in parlament. The rest of the money goes in personal pockets!

And how exactly is that so different from anywhere else? The proportions might be quite a bit off in LoS, but other than that, it seems to be how things ´work´ in most countries.

I agree with EmptySet re vote buying if, as most posters on TVF suggest, you mean handing a bit of cash to the electorate 1 by 1.

However, the local political machines do fairly well control local politics in a manner that very much is vote buying. They get paid to deliver votes and made promises of local improvements based upon the party making the promises winning the district. They have a great deal of power locally and do use it. The village chief gets handed a wad of cash, and told you will get a new water tower, or your roads will be repaved etc if you deliver your people. Note that the contracts for the improvements go to the political allies of the government in most cases.

This makes it almost impossible for foreign observers to see the irregularities. They would 1) Have to be reported locally and 2) have someone with the political will to follow up on the reports 3) have penalties in place that actually discourage this.

What is amazing is that some people still get red carded for handing out cash.

So what you´re saying is that it works in the exact same manner it does all over the world, i.e empty promises about fixing roads, new water tower, etc, etc, to get people to vote for you?

Except maybe the "hard cash" vote buying. But I think we all know by now that both sides are pretty much equally guilty when it comes to that...

It would be nice, but from 100% Budget money the people get only 30-40%, and when u ask where are the difference, then you get not Data or answer in parlament. The rest of the money goes in personal pockets!

And how exactly is that so different from anywhere else? The proportions might be quite a bit off in LoS, but other than that, it seems to be how things ´work´ in most countries.

The proportions a bit off?

Did you pay taxes here?

What are the other "most" countries?

I agree with EmptySet re vote buying if, as most posters on TVF suggest, you mean handing a bit of cash to the electorate 1 by 1.

However, the local political machines do fairly well control local politics in a manner that very much is vote buying. They get paid to deliver votes and made promises of local improvements based upon the party making the promises winning the district. They have a great deal of power locally and do use it. The village chief gets handed a wad of cash, and told you will get a new water tower, or your roads will be repaved etc if you deliver your people. Note that the contracts for the improvements go to the political allies of the government in most cases.

This makes it almost impossible for foreign observers to see the irregularities. They would 1) Have to be reported locally and 2) have someone with the political will to follow up on the reports 3) have penalties in place that actually discourage this.

What is amazing is that some people still get red carded for handing out cash.

So what you´re saying is that it works in the exact same manner it does all over the world, i.e empty promises about fixing roads, new water tower, etc, etc, to get people to vote for you?

Except maybe the "hard cash" vote buying. But I think we all know by now that both sides are pretty much equally guilty when it comes to that...

It would be nice, but from 100% Budget money the people get only 30-40%, and when u ask where are the difference, then you get not Data or answer in parlament. The rest of the money goes in personal pockets!

I this ends up with a peoples council as suggested the Constitution would be suspended while the council plug all the gaps that PTP has exploited for the last two years, what I see coming out of it are -

stronger laws and penalties against corruption -

Very Important - new rules on parliament voting structure for Constitutional amendments (i.e. requiring 2/3 majority) -

scraping the serving MP immunity to prosecution -

life ban for all MP's found guilty of crime instead of 5 years -

Stronger powers given to institutions that protect democracy -

Penalties for MP's found telling lies to the public regarding state finance -

Accountability to the public regarding government finance and expenditure -

All loans projects must go through strict government budgetary procedure with constant scrutiny by powerful independent bodies -

I'm sure there are many more but the above would be a good start

PS - total reform of the Police service