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2 hours ago, BwindiBoy said:

So if you're a battered housewife and finally decide enough is enough, as your health is starting to suffer, and you decide you want a divorce, you have to come up with all the solutions regarding the split of assets and visitation rights?!

If you would take the trouble and read the enclosed text by Rogers, you could once again bring in your analogues with the failed marriage. Believe me that the scope of global trade, EU, WTO, multilateral and bilateral agreements are much larger than a contract of marriage.

https://policyscotland.gla.ac.uk/blog-sir-ivan-rogers-speech-text-in-full/

Looking forward to the view of the skyline and all the unfinished construction projects in Bangkok, Phuket and Samui. With this measure, many projects under construction, will certainly fail from financing and investors, and then these beautiful concrete ruins will be seen everywhere. 

Here some core quotes from Rogers:

You simply cannot, with any honesty or coherence, make an argument for taking back control and full autonomy of decision-making on the UK side of the Channel, and simultaneously argue for the EU27 to restrict to a certain extent its own autonomous decision-making precisely in order to give you, a non-member of the club, a real say in the direction of its policy.

But the Luxembourg PM, Xavier Bettel’s pithy description is a pretty good one: “Before they (the British) were in with a lot of opt-outs; now they are out and want a lot of opt-ins”.

Why, again, should members, who have painfully agreed an extremely detailed constraining single rule book, allow a non-member greater latitude than they have themselves to achieve so-called comparable regulatory outcomes – and agree a non-ECJ unique resolution mechanism to decide whether they are comparable? This is not going to happen in a month of Sundays.

4 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

I doubt whether many Brexiteers will want to read an excellent speech like that.

Many have made up their mind, do not really know the consequences, are not even that interested in them and anyway blame everything on the EU....

 

I would love to see an in-depth counter analysis by a Brexiteer of Sir Ivan Rogers speech in stead of the usual EU-bashing and 'Project Fear' yelling. But I guess it is just that much easier to repeat the falsehoods feeded to the public by the tabloid press.

A really good analytical text. I'm afraid that many parliamentarians have not even read this analysis. How else can one explain the partly brainless acting of those.

How long does america want to toil with this senile clown?
Out of his mouth come only hate, lies and insults.
It is time that this weak head is to deposed out of office.

2 minutes ago, citybiker said:

Ah, you say easily shared.

Incorrect I'm afraid as their is an imbalance of regions within the EU.

Look at the primary 'contributors' compared to the primary 'recipients' within the whole EU economic structure.

Easily shared couldn't be further from the truth or fact.

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Do not hang on in one word.
easily shared.
It is not easy for both sides UK and EU.
But at the core, no single EU country alone is as affected as the UK alone.

2 minutes ago, citybiker said:

I don't usually use the DM for a good reason, however when I first read it, the source stated it was from the Times.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5250495/Brussels-admits-bad-Brexit-deal-hurt-EU-states.html

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No question.
Brexit also damages the EU very versatile.
Economically, that's not even contested by Pro Brexit people.
The EU thanks for it (sarcastically speaking).
Geopolitical, the damage is - not monetary - in much higher damage areas.
But the damage to the UK will be greater than for any single EU country.
The damage is easily shared by 27 countries like an insurance company.
With which countries does the UK share its damage?

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Now you are undermining their Brexit rhetoric, ?  they know but it may not be common to know or it means more oil on the  remain  fire

Instead of dealing with clearly formulated statements, or arguments in terms of content, it is always dismissed by the pro Brexit people with the propaganda phrases: project fear.

That's just too stupid for me as a counter-argument.
Sorry.

3 hours ago, Becker said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/bikers-for-trump-make-pro-trump-shirts-in-haiti-as-its-cheaper-than-us-2018-8?yptr=yahoo

 

For his re-election campaign he also sews his flags in China.
Liars have short legs and everything is small.

It's about time that the Harley management tells the orange, alzheimer clown how to run his business.
By far the worst president in a series of 45.

7 hours ago, Time Traveller said:

I don't follow your logic. If Harley Davidson decides to manufacture their bikes in Asia, then that doesn't help the American worker, does it? 

And last time I checked, Trump is the President of USA, not the President of Asia....his concerns should only be for Americans, not workers in other countries. The boycott seems reasonable, for his Make America Great Again effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to America....Does any other country in the world celebrate the fact that their corporations are firing workers to send jobs offshore? 

 

You must be really proud to be an owner of a Harley flat head.

The whole brexit runs first in the time extension. The time frame is just not good without causing massive economic damage on both sides. Rather a reasonable brexit later than in 7.5 months the chaos.

I thought Trumpy is busy with his Star Wars diarrhea.

Erdogan is not good.

Where are all these journalists?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_arrested_journalists_in_Turkey

And all the other people from the former modern turkey?

https://ahvalnews6.com/turkey/turkeys-new-prisoners

5 hours ago, ChidlomDweller said:

This is a good summary.

 

https://brexitoptions.co.uk/

 

Also Paul Krugman's recent column on Brexit (it was linked here somewhere).

 

A very long but good read is this transcript of a speech by an insider, former UK ambassador to the EU among many other things, Sir Ivan Rogers.  I read it this week and I'll read it again, it's that interesting.  I don't particularly see him taking sides.  He describes the long-term forces that have led to the current situation, and while I suspect he voted remain, he seems quite fatalistic that this was unavoidable.  I agree with you that an in depth look is more interesting than trying to score forum victories over the other side.  That can be fun, but in the end you don't learn anything and it changes no one's position.

 

https://policyscotland.gla.ac.uk/blog-sir-ivan-rogers-speech-text-in-full/

 

 

 

Sir Ivan Rogers speech is very worth reading. Very factual and reflective.

Thx.

A meeting of the moronic and mentally impaired.
In short, a meeting of the fossil fuel lobbyists.

38 minutes ago, vogie said:

I stand dejected, you are correct.

"The EU Council President is an alcoholic who binges on gin and leaves his ambitious but unelected deputy to govern, according to explosive new claims.

Jean-Claude Juncker - one of the most powerful men in Brussels - has been spotted stumbling around and unable to walk at the recent NATO summit."

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5970335/Jean-Claude-Juncker-accused-alcoholic-govern.html

Most politicians in this world indulge in alcohol. How else could they go through there job? 

5 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Who pays in advance of the deed?

 

Try smocci or same escort agencies or soupies or same massage joints.

They have different rules.

Not same as in the gogos, girly bars or freelancer discos.

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

I think there is more chance of Jean Claude Juncker getting a bad bottle of champagne than what you are suggesting.

I think he likes Gin more.
By the way, Bombay Sapphire is a fine drink of the UK.