keithet

In the past I've always transferred lump sum 3 to 4 times a year. Perfect for my spending needs. 

But now no US embassy letter I am going to try the monthly option. And until we start to get reports from people who went to imagration using the new monthly income and some of the posts are cinsistant from Changwatana and other offices. I will do my first monthly deposit in February using Swift for piece of mind. 

I scrapped my Kbank because they use a middle bank and opened a Bangkok bank account because if the consistency of reports I've read. 

I personally have to start now to show 12 monthly deposits every month for 12 months from abroad. 

Thank you for all the info! 

I just opened a acount with bankok bank and will be using it to show new monthly deposit method imagration wants to see money deposited to thai acount from abroad each month. 

What is the best way to transfer from US "bank of America" to Bangkok bank? I want the garente that my incomoming transfer says international. They gave me a swift id but I've been reading about ach? Swift I know $35 from my US bank if I send in baht $45 if I send us dollar and not sure what bangkok bank charges when recieved. 

Please no "you should use transferwise" they don't always show international... I need consistency of every transfer showing international for imagration. 

34 minutes ago, farangx said:

In that case a trip to your Kbank's main branch or head office may be necessary.  After you get that letter get the staff to make a copy of it so that next year you can show it to a branch near you to order that for you if they are not aware of it already.

 

When I did my exstension 17 this Jan last Thursday my wife and I went to Kbank at Changwatana down stairs from imagration and the guy didn't know what I was talking about. Gave us some bs about 500 baht and wait 1 month for a letter that shows monthly deposits  for the year no guarantee that it will show international deposit.  

I just did my exstension using embassy letter And want to try to get clarification from Kbank before I deposit for Feb. I don't want to find out middle of this year that Kbank's middle bank policy won't work. 

But knowing Bangkok bank is fully aware. 

10 minutes ago, farangx said:

I would use another bank until Kbank sort themselves out.  But I am sure their head office would know, and their branches may not be equipped for this.

 

Yes I plan to and after talking to Bangkok bank they understood what I'm talking about. But they want a work permit or embassy letter. But my US embassy only has blank afadavit form and I'm not sure what info the bank wants. 

59 minutes ago, farangx said:

Since Kbank knew of the intermediary bank(s) because it was a Swift transaction, it means they know this was an international transfer into your account here.  While the codes in your bank book may not reflect as such, the letter should state as such.

 

Me and my wife went to 2 Kbank branches both don't know what I'm talking about regarding imagration requirments. But they said a letter for 500 baht could take up to 2 to 3 weeks. My wife and I were confused and mentioned their info was to get us to leave. 

Until some kind of format is displayed. They are confused about my question and the importance of us needing statement that refers to 12 international transfer. 

They only know about 400,000 and 800,000 seasoning route

14 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Yes I agree, I’m with KK too but as I say each to their own. My year triggers in March so from then on I will use SWIFT until some kind of clarity comes forward with TW. 

Personally, and I’ve no issue with others that choose to, I would rather DIY. I believe long term it pays....... but that just my opinion. 

I have Kbank too this month I did my first transfer from my Bank of America acount to my Kbank acount using Swift. 

My US acount says international transfer sent.  But Kbank says domestic transfer recieved. Kbank says they use a middle bank before money goes into my account here in Thailand. 

I never noticed before till I opened internet banking with Kbank cyber so is it the same for you? I believe it's a problem because the imagration anouncment says monthly deposits into a Thai bank from foriegn acount.

10 hours ago, Sheryl said:

It does not always. Only when Bangkok Bank was the first bank in Thailand to receive it. They do sometimes use other banks in which case it shows as a domestic transfer because it then is one.

 

This has been covered extensively in other thread.

 

TW uses a total of 3 different banks in Thailand, cannot tell you in advance which they will use, and do not select based on your account (i.e. the fact that your account is in one of the 3 banks they use doesn't influence whether they send to that bank.)

 

From all accounts they use Bangkok Bank as much as 80-90% of the time so if your account is there it will usually come through as a foreign transfer but not always. There will be an occasional month where it shows as domestic.

 

It is really very simple: if the bank where you have your account receives the money direct from TW then their records will show that it originated from abroad (in some banks through a code shown in the pass book, in others not but the record is there and the bank can verify it.).

 

If they received it from another bank in Thailand then their records will show it as a domestic transfer and they have no way of knowing it originated from abroad. Only the intermediate bank would k ow this in that case.

 

Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't use transfer wise. 

I made this post about my wire transfer from my US acount to my thai acount using swift. 

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Are yoy doing extension of stay based on marriage to a Thai or based on retirement?

If based on marriage the funds do not have to come from abroad.

Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

I'm exstension based on marriage and want to do the monthly deposit of 40,000 from the new police report for monthly income without a embassy letter you can show a bank letter of 12 deposits each month for 12 months that shows money from abroad. That's how it is explained. 

"If based on marriage the funds do not have to come from abroad." I didn't read or heard of this unless you have a work permit and working in Thailand. If no work permit then I believe it has to show from abroad. 

It's not mentioned for retirement because you can't work or have a work permit if retired. 

I could be wrong but that's how I read it to replace the embassy letter method showing monthly benifits from abroad from US embassy.

3 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

The OP didn't say how he did the transfer, but if you use Transferwise it will indeed shows as a domestic transfer

Swift

3 hours ago, Jeffrey346 said:

I use Bangkok Bank as a receiving bank, and all my transfers from the US are listed as International.

Once received here in Thailand, I transfer the funds to SCB where I do my day to day banking.

This process also makes it very easy to verify 12 months of international deposits.

Perhaps you need to change banks

I just went to Bangkok bank at Changwatana and they said they needed a embassy letter explaining my funds from overseas because I don't have a work permit because I don't work. 

10 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

10 hours ago, JackThompson said:

... and which bank that particular TW transfer happens to go though - which can change from one to the next, even from the same origin and destination accounts.

Yes, banks transaction coding will vary for each bank unlike swift coding which is industry standard

This week I did my first transfer from my US bank to Kbank using swift. 

My Kbank statement says recieved domestic transfer. I tried asking why and I guess it bounces from a middle bank then to my account. 

My US bank statement says international transfer sent but Kbank statement says domestic transfer recieved. 

Not sure what to do for my 12 deposits if they are going to say domestic? 

Last week I made my first transfer of 41,000 baht from Bank of America to Kbank here. To do the new monthly income requirement. 

My US acount shows international transfer sent,  but my Kbank says domestic transfer recieved. 

Imagration states it wants to see 12 deposits for 12 months from international or foriegn acount right? 

I will be doing international money transfers to do the monthly deposit into a Thai bank for monthly income 12 month 12 deposit for imagration exstension based on marriage. 

Last week I transferred 41,000 baht from Bank of America acount to my Kbank here in Thailand. My US acount shows international transfer sent. But my Kbank shows domestic transfer recieved.  

I went to Kbank and asked why it shows domestic and why my US acount shows international. After the blank look she called help center and they said it is transferred to a middle bank then to my account. 

Is this right? How can I show international transfers to please imagration? 

I opened a Kbank cyber banking. I can log in but the only access is my account balance. Below it were all the transaction history is blank.  I believe it says something like there is no history. 

The bank account is 7 years old but the cyber banking I opened 10 days ago 

42 minutes ago, bbi1 said:

Agreed, Chaengwattana never had a requirement about any of those things the OP mentioned. Just turn up with your 1,900 baht and completed form with all the photocopies of your passport required page then wait until it's processed. No need for any TM30 either.

I too never had a problem with my other exstensions. One time I was asked for owner's id 2 years ago, since then I provide the id. But all that was before 2019.

Now the first thing that was asked was tm30, but no problem I can do that and pay a fine. But the officer asked for so much more with the explanation of every year is different. 

With just 2 weeks into the new year of 2019, I wanted to see if anyone else has been asked to get more documents this year. A couple of people have had too and helped me with information so I may not have to go again. 

My wife was able to convince our condo owner to give us signed copies of house book and deed as requested by the IO at Changwatana. I have more paperwork about my residents and my condo owner than I do pertaining to my marrage. 

I have:

-my passport copies 

-wife's id and house book 

-kor ro 2 and 3 marrage doc. 

-embassy letter 

So now everything pertaining to address and condo owner:

-tm30

-tm47 the 90day address report 

-lease 

-condo owner's id 

-condo owner's house book 3 pages

-condo owner's deed chanote 2 pages front and back reduced to a4 

-pictures of wife and I under condo address, in and around condo every room.  6 photos 

-a hand drawn map to my condo

     *in case during my 30 day under h.     Consideration stamp  they 

        Want to visit to see if we

       Live at address together. 

-tm7 has my address on front and back 

-my embassy letter also has my address sworn infront of embassy worker. 

This week my wife and I go in for our 2nd time to apply for exstension bassed on marriage. 

But it seems more like bassed on address and if owner owns the condo. 

On 1/10/2019 at 7:57 AM, Harkouk said:

Chaeng Wattana, the IO we saw first time told us specifically to see her when we went back. She said don't get a queue number, she wrote a reminder to herself on the TM form of what documents I should have. I wanted to go back Monday, but she said Tues at the earliest as she wasn't working Monday.

I'd imagine it would be best to seek out the same officer as before, get in there at opening and 'catch his/her eye' so to speak. Probably a good idea to get a queue number as well, just in case your original IO is in a bad mood or absent.

Thank you for your info. We will get a que but also try to get her attention. She only wrote on our paperwork window # and que number. And my wife told her next week if my wife can trade days off with coworker to go back to imagration. 

8 hours ago, Harkouk said:

Same thing happened to me as the OP. 6th extension based on marriage,went in last week with all the usual paperwork, and was told the rental contract needed updating, even though it's been good for the past 5 years. Go back yesterday to see same IO who then says owner's housebook has to be the same address as where we rent. Told her he has no housebook available for where we are living, so she says she needs a copy of ownership/deed. Luckliy the owner is a lovely fella who lives close to us, my wife rings him there & then and he says no probs. The IO processes my application, I get the 4 week stamp on the proviso we drop off the deed later that day - which we did. Was also told to bring my bankbook updated + copy, as well as another copy of my 90 day report to immigration when i go back in 4 weeks time - which was a first.

The annual checklist just got a little longer.

When you went back to see the same officer.  Did you get a que number or did you go straight to that officer? 

What imagration office did you go to? 

I go to Changwatana and will go on the 17th for my 2nd visit since my wife convinced landlord to give us the chanote and house book. 

I would like to bypass the que and go straight to the officer that made this mess for me. Its hard for my wife to get week days off because she has to be with me for exstension based on marriage. 

But maybe a new officer would be better. But a new officer may dream up a new set of requests.

This year has been a mess so far. 

2 minutes ago, blackcab said:

That's what we have to do.

Thank you for all your help and saving me from another trip again 

2 minutes ago, blackcab said:

The copy will be black and white, but the signature might be in blue ink.

Ok black and white reduced to a4 and signed with Blue ink 

Right? 

11 minutes ago, blackcab said:

It wasn't mentioned to us either, so we had to leave Chaeng Wattana immigration office, get the chanote again, photocopy reduce it to A4 and then get a company director to sign the A4 sized copy - and then take the signed A4 version back to immigration (from the centre of Bangkok).

 

Immigration want a signed copy every year. You might get away with a colour photocopy of last years document, it might be worth a try. This is why signatures are often done in blue ink - to avoid repetitive photocopies of the same document - often used as a way to game the system.

 

We provide freshly signed documents every year to avoid refusals and repeat visits (I have a few unsigned A4 copies of the chanote and sale contract ready to be signed and used each year).

I doubt it will be color, if we get it at all. 

1 minute ago, keithet said:

Just so you know, the copy of the chanote must be reduced to A4 sized paper - immigration will not accept full sized copies as they do not fit neatly in the bundle of documents they file. The sales contract is called a ทด๑๓ which you will find examples of if you search on the internet.

If my wife convinces our landlord to give us the chanote I hope she reduces it to a4 I don't think the officer mentioned it. 

But if I get a signed copy of the chanote I will want to keep it for the futer exstensions so I could take it to a photo copy store and make a4 print out to give and be able to show the one given to me. 

Is that what you do? 

12 minutes ago, blackcab said:

I have an extension of stay based on business. The company I work for owns the business property, so there is no lease agreement from a landlord. I have had to supply a copy of the building chanote and sales contract for the last 3 years.

 

Just so you know, the copy of the chanote must be reduced to A4 sized paper - immigration will not accept full sized copies as they do not fit neatly in the bundle of documents they file. The sales contract is called a ทด๑๓ which you will find examples of if you search on the internet.

 

Your landlord is just being cautious. They really don't want to give out signed copies of their land ownership documents as they probably fear fraud and loss of their property.

 

From immigration's point of view, they have found that a lease contract alone is worthless, as they can be faked in a matter of a few minutes. By insisting on a copy of the chanote and sale document they are much less likely to be presented with forgeries, as copies of these documents, especially the sale contract, are a lot harder to get hold of. Most Thai people will give a copy of their ID card and house book for multiple reasons, but they won't often give copies of their land documents.

 

Every so often the requirements are increased. A lot of the time this is because a number of applicants try and game the system.

Thank you for a great reason of the "why" of things