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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The right to live and work in any of the EU nations (the UK’s largest trading partner).

 

The right to health services across the EU.

 

The protection of EU laws on matters of workers rights.

 

The rights to direct appeal to the EU on matters of environmental protection.

 

To name but a few.

But they are why we voted Leave. 

55 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Brits losing rights and privileges is a common theme.

All perfectly acceptable. They were not even great rights and privileges. Queueing to show a passport on the days you go on holiday is not a big deal in the scheme of things for most of UK. None at all for those who don’t travel. 
They also worked more for other EU nationalities than the UK, in fact they worked against the UK. 

14 minutes ago, RayC said:

Any sympathy for the Brexit supporting pensioners who can't enjoy their winter retreats in Spain?

Not really, why should there be? Rules for residency are quite clear in most places. If they didn’t sort themselves out it’s their problem, not the care of 66M others back in the UK. 

31 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Correct, and that's why I have empathy for those poor sods who experience it even when going back home.

Except for those who voted to leave, of course.

We voted Leave and don’t mind. 
For all those Remainers who voted for the whole country to stay in, just so they could continue enjoying quick trips to their holiday homes, well we still don’t care. 

14 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

"You need to try actually experience it..."

 

What, standing in line at border crossings like a 3rd world asylum seeker or seeing empty store shelves?

Well that confirms your knowledge of the UK. All from the Grauniad. 

19 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Yes,  Brexit has royally effed up Britain's economy so lots of people have problems. That much is obvious even from Thailand, half a world away.

You reap what you sow.

From half a world away you obviously have no idea. You need to try actually experience it and not get your propaganda from the doomsayers in these forums.

28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Probably’, ‘Rough Guess’.

Yes, my guess was quite close. 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

What figures, you haven’t presented any figures.

He’s been to look and didn’t like the answer. 
 

Have you checked yet? I don’t go running round for you people. Isn’t there an internet term for getting people to run around for looking for links?

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Or you could come up with numbers to back up your point of view rather than ‘probably’ and a ‘rough guess’.

Exactly ten times as many at Palma and almost five times as many at Alicante. 

5 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

"Would you like to look up the passengers through Alicante or Palma last weekend?"

No, not interested.

 

"You could try and prove me wrong using somebody else’s back up."

See above answer.

 

PS. Do remember to bring proof of sufficient funds next time you go to Spain. I guess they have seen the economic outlook for the UK and wisely decided to implement this rule to avoid the "no skilled job stealing benefit scroungers" who are heading to the greener pasture of the EU countries.

 Don’t like the figures eh?

Don’t worry, we go with loads-a-dosh. Do you have to bring enough cash too? Tough for some isn’t it?

55 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I refer you to the brand new post Brexit lorry parks.

I refer you to Operation Stack first being implemented in 1998. (French Strikes) 

There was regular disruption in Kent for many years prior to Brexit, which eventually became a plan for lorry parks. 

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Can I fix that for you?

 

"I’m well known for not scouring the internet just to proveing a point to you lot."

 

There, better!

Would you like to look up the passengers through Alicante or Palma last weekend?
You could try and prove me wrong using somebody else’s back up. 

17 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

 

I haven't actually read anything about what was happening at Dover. It only came to my notice via this thread.

Maybe LeMonde was too embarrassed to report it?

26 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

these are called Brexit appetizers.... it's just a start, more to come  555

Make you mind up. Was it the Frenchmen who forgot to go to work, or do you now think it was Brexit just for that particular weekend but none of the other days. 

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What you need to be embarrassed about is voting to end freedom of movement and then moaning when your freedom of movement is removed.

My freedom is not restricted. So long as it restricts cheap EU Labour continuing to flood the UK it is doing its job. 
 

As for Dover, I may have mentioned earlier that I don’t care. 

22 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Are people travelling to Spain via ferry now? Don't you get embarrassed putting your thoughts in writing?

Trains or boats or planes, it makes no difference. Same passport checks. I would be embarrassed if I was a French border officer. 

24 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Just at Dover it seems, that six Frenchmen being late for work can bring the whole county to a standstill.

Not the whole country, but it certainly brought Dover and the motorway to a standstill.  And a lot of Remainers exaggerated complaints about it. 
Just six Frenchmen who forgot to turn up to work? Some here are still trying to tell us it was all due to Brexit. 

21 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The numbers of travellers arriving at any given  destination is irrelevant , the only relevant number is the amount of officers available processing the arrivals .

   There needs to be a sufficient amount of immigration officers  to process the arrivals 

You are right that the ratio of officers to travellers is the key to processing times.
This exchange over numbers stems from our French friend’s claim that 10,000 passengers was too much. It certainly is for the French, whereas the Spanish man up for the numbers expected and deal with ten times that amount. 

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You brought some fictitious numbers into the discussion, you need to back up you risible ’probable’ and ‘rough guess’.

But do feel free to continue to hold an embarrassing position, you’ve only your own credibility to lose.

 

You could even quote last month’s figures if you like. They will be lower than this month’s. 
Go on, shoot down my credibility with your advanced researching skills. 

3 minutes ago, candide said:

So you don't have any point.

It was made further back in this very thread. 
The Spanish perform the same border checks infinitely more efficiently than the French. The Spanish have more border guards and better systems than the French and weren’t trying to harass British travellers last weekend. 

58 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It wasn’t me that introduced ‘probable’ and ‘rough guess’ of the numbers into the discussion.

 

That was you, the basis of the argument you are making is based on your ‘probable’ and ‘rough guess’.

 

I don’t owe you any numbers.

 

Your arguments are groundless.

 

 

Prove me wrong then. It’s not like you to not have a link. Usually to some lefty anti-Brexit rag but we are just looking for numbers here.

Personally I don’t place much faith in most of the information published, especially if twisted spun and distorted in relation to Brexit. If I said ‘definitely’ based on actual records would you like to contradict me with your own version of the actuals?

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Rough Guess’.

What were the actual passenger numbers then?