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45 minutes ago, robblok said:Yes i think Thanathorn is a good alternative. You know that but the Thais and quite a few others are not so sure. He first really needs to prove himself. For instance would he blow up a government that includes his party if he sees too much graft or will he keep his head down and play the game.
My point is not that I want to see the junta stay, I want them out as even the Thai kleptocracy is a bit better (only a bit) than the junta however i doubt the Thais would risk too much for such a minor change. The numbers don't lie they are fed up with politics and wont risk anything anymore.
Ah, so that's where we're at, thought I'd check in. Well, we've made some progress! You now recognize that the Junta is NOT the same as the ELECTED but kleptocratic alternatives, but "a bit" less good. Small steps.
Your point, as ever, is muddled and wrong. You DID want the Junta to stay, you DID support their ouster of the democratically elected government, and you DID equate the two as equally bad without offering any sort of credible alternative other than that somehow, the Thai people should magically sort this out and elect "good" people.
You know why Thanathorn, or anyone else, will never deliver on their promise? Because of people who will always resort to getting the Army to take over whenever they perceive that they're not getting what they want rather than being mature citizens and organizing alternatives so you can win at the ballot box while accepting that other people did exercise their right to vote in the person you don't like and deserve for that person to govern, for good or bad. This is the fundamental point you've missed from the start. The Junta, and all other Juntas, are illegitimate and always will be, regardless of whether they do good or bad (and their record so far is 100%, you know on which side). As I have tried to explain to you over and over again, there are no White Knights in Thailand coming to the rescue.
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djjamie for having finally been proved correct in all of his assertions about the Junta. Or not.
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40 minutes ago, Longcut said:
WOW! If this doesn't bring the tourist back, nothing will.????
This isn't about bringing tourists back. It's about emphasizing long-term over short-term stays.
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28 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:Whoo-boy I spent the better part of the last hour on Twitter watching all the video & commentary on this one - Shumer & Pelosi got owned & exposed so hard it was beautiful.
Good job President Trump, dont let them hide & debate off-camera where they can invent talking-points. Put them on the spot and drag them.
All in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.
I am glad though that Donnie has a newfound fondness for transparency. That will be helpful as Mueller and the House start pulling back the curtains on his finances, how compromised he is on the Russians and how many payoffs, tax evasion schemes and various other criminal activities he's been engaged in since running for and being elected.
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1 hour ago, Samui Bodoh said:"...In fact, a covert objective of the military when it took power in 2014 was to centralise power and wealth. Control of both by a narrow elite was duly achieved, consolidating a structure of inequality that locked the poor in poverty and dependence. Politically speaking, this structure enables the elite to rule the country effectively...."
Er... Ahem... Nation, many of us have been very aware of this fact for a very long time; are you just learning it? And, by the way, it wasn't so 'covert', it seemed quite blatant to all other observers...
"...The military elite simply staged a coup to topple an elected civilian government, then sat in power overseeing a structure that maintains huge wealth imbalance. A strikingly small elite has thus managed to control political power and sustain what amounts to an economic monopoly..."
Again, I am pleased to see that you are stating this, Nation. However, I have to ask again; are just realizing this now? Where have you been for the last 100 years?
The solution to this problem is quite easy to lay out (we all know what it is), but quite difficult to implement.
Perhaps, Nation, you might start promoting a vision to change the above on your front page, rather than printing pro-Prayut propaganda stories with the usual three, colour photos of Prayut and his "Mobile Cabinet Meetings"? You are Thai, we are not. It is you who needs to be making the case.
What's it going to be, Nation? Sustained, serious action or the occasional fine (but futile) word?
Good post, but you forgot to mention the part about the Nation and Post being the English-language cheerleaders for that very coup that they're railing against. They should consolidate and republish a single newspaper (no difference between them anyway, both are mouthpieces for the A-maart) and rename it "The Bangkok Hypocrite".
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8 hours ago, Srinivas said:
stay tuned and enjoy the show.
See? If you try hard enough, you can find agreement in almost any post.
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There's two more ingredients to today's disastrous news for Donny. First, remember that Cohen is singing not just to the Feds, but also to the NY State investigators who are going after his money. Won't that be a dainty dish? The dual investigation strategy was very sound, it separated the Mueller investigation from having to cross the "red line" in chasing the money, and let the State devote their resources towards it. Second, remember way back when, when Cohen revealed that he basically tapes ALL of his conversations? This will not go well for the Drumpfs.
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23 hours ago, Nyezhov said:
Dude my faculties were lost 15 years ago when my school closed. Ive lost touch with all of them.
But, interesting and amusing as moi might be, Im not a Trumpeter. Im a free thinker. My echo chamber is padded with what its, if sos, did you ever thinks, so whats and the thoughts in my box are outside because of long studies in dezinformatsya. I have no emotional investment and a low screech threshold. I remember President Badger Hair when he was an annoying Tabloid staple, which may be before some posters were born. Thanks for smiling!
fac·ul·ty/ˈfakəltē/nounplural noun: faculties-
1.an inherent mental or physical power."her critical faculties"
synonyms: power, capability, capacity, facility, wherewithal, means; More -
the teaching staff of a university or college, or of one of its departments or divisions, viewed as a body."there were then no tenured women on the faculty"
synonyms: staff, teachers, professors, instructors "conflict between students and faculty"
Just in case you didn't know the other meaning...
You're a free thinker - who freely comes to the opinion that's inevitably and always pro-Trump. Okay, whatevs. I'd be interested in whatever "long studies in desinformatsya" are. Is there a degree for that?
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4 hours ago, Nyezhov said:
And suppose the findings are....nothing. No there there. What are the folks who have invested all of their time hating Trump going to do?
The OP - literally - answered this question in the previous sentence to the one you quoted. I do hope you're not losing your faculties, you've been one of the more interesting and amusing Trumpeters.
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6 hours ago, Baerboxer said:
Not a Trump fan but this does look like someone is almost trying to make the circumstances fit a crime that no one knows for sure has been committed.
Unlike good old Bill, who lied about putting his dick in Monica's mouth and got away with it.
What makes it look like the circumstances fit a crime? That the one under investigation has hired an under-qualified stooge who's on record as saying that the President shouldn't be investigated as Attorney-General? When Liberals are aghast at Jeff Sessions being removed for this Clown, that shows just how far American Justice has indeed fallen. Unfortunately, we're all aware that the cause is the criminal in the White House.
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1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:I think if you reread my post, you will see that I did not use the phrase in an economic sense as coined by Henri V (or the 4th or 6th) and as later embodied by the machine politics of Boss Tweed and Hinky Dink McKenna (as well as the 1928 Republican Presidential campaign) but rather, as a shorthand for the competing ideological/political desires of the various interest groups that now make up the Democratic coalition. Surely you don't think that you can have policies to please both Linda Sosour and Camille Paglia do you? As a small example. And I wonder how the Democrats will handle the competing views of feminism as between Tlaib, Maloney and Omar? But I digress.
In a purely historical sense, that statement best illustrates the ultimate problem and indeed danger of the Democratic Coalition: the need to demonize. I am reminded of Orwells "Two Minute Hate". Demonization of your opponent is the stuff of dictatorship and ultimately tragedy. While President Trump focuses his silly demonization tweets to "the others" who are not Americans, his opponents focus on his supporters as being "dumb" or "deplorable" or less morally fit to be part of the polity. Monsterous to use a term heard earlier. The Kavanaugh controversy illustrates the principle of demonization rampant in the ranks of the Democrats and their supporters. Sort of like the way folks who don't see Anthromorphic Climate Change as an imminent threat to humanity are called "deniers", or those who support a policy of nationalism are called "rascists". Its almost Torquemada like, instead of blasphemy to the precepts of the Bible, its Blasphemy to the Precepts of ideals promulgated as the Secular religion.
It makes no sense for me to argue ad nauseum statistics or polls or what will happen in 2020 when I am focused on a position that has arisen from todays socio/political mileu. As examples: When I believe that all men are created equal, that calls for no qualification. When I believe in freedom of speech, that calls for no exceptions. When we talk about due process, there are no buts. My adherence to concepts enshrined in Western thought should not be cause for me to be demonized as being rascist, a purveyor of hate speech, or a mysogynist. Thats the undercurrent that President Trump tapped into, and the danger for the Democrats is that they will fall into the trap of believing that their philosophy is a historical imperative.
I dont make "predictions"...I make guesses like everyone else as to what will happen tomorrow or the next day or the next day...or in 5 years. But history is cyclical, todays winner is tomorrows loser. The danger is the legnths that some folks will go to win, forgetting Mallets adage "a l'exemple de Saturne, la révolution dévore ses enfants".
And others.
You do enjoy your obscure obfuscations. But they're quite easily deconstructed and dealt with. First one boils down to "can Democrats balance competing ideological/political desires" among a diverse political base? I'd say they're well positioned to do so, as opposed to what used to be the "Big Tent" GOP who have now cut those ropes and collapsed down to a core of Rich, White and Religious folks. You see competing interests, I see a party evolving to become more inclusive and throw off the old guard towards a more progressive and less corporate party. I believe that's a winning strategy, and demographics support that. The GOP can only win if they're able to continue to gerrymander and focus on voter suppression. Even with their control of the courts, this is unlikely to succeed especially when this is part of a two-pronged strategy to attack anyone who is not a White Christian Male.
Re; Need to Demonize - this is not even remotely credible. I'll refer you to Bristolboy's post in rebuttal as I don't wish to waste time on things easily refuted. I'd only note that the comparison with those who deny climate change should be with those who believe the earth is flat, and that those who are Nationalist are not necessarily racist, but are much more likely to be fascist.
Re; your supposedly noble and immutable principles - 55555555! You believe in due process yet support this administration who haven't the slightest attachment to rule of law and whose minions are being lined up for prosecution. You believe in free speech yet believe that calling people who regularly vote against their interests "dumb" or who can be persuaded to vote based on caging children "deplorable" are "monsterous" (sic). Keep 'em coming!
Oh, and you don't make predictions, you make guesses. I guess I don't write posts, I type them.
In summary, your post as usual just wanders off into pseudo-academic puffery. It reminds one of the old French adage, "Ca n’a rien à voir avec la choucroute."- 3
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1 minute ago, Nyezhov said:
Destroyed? I entered the TVF Democrats-are-great-Republicans Suck echo chamber of my own free will and I am not in any argument to satisfy ego needs. As long as my portfolio is enough to keep me here (which it is, Thanks President Trump) and our business is booming (thanks again) Im a happy man.
But regardless, the impending demise of the Republican Party is sort of like "climate change", the horror will happen next year...wait, they year after that...hold on...2022...oh wait it will happen thereafter. I recall reading articles year back portending doom and gloom for the Republicans.
That being said, todays liberal young person is tomorrows conservative as they leave the echo chambers and join real life. Politics is cyclical. While the Democrats crow about winning the House as a victory compared to Leicester winning the Prem, they need to hold off spiking the ball (to mix metaphors) and keep in mind that the Repubs still control the Senate and are going to remake the Judiciary. As a result, sooner or later, they will have to LEGISLATE to get anything done, as their ability to enforce changes in social and economic policy will now be compromise positions instead of Judicial fiat.
Sooner or later the grand coalition that the Democrats have put together by offering a "chicken in every pot" to different interest groups is going to crash, simply because you cant offer something different to everybody and not expect someone to get pissed off. Its far easier to oppose then to govern, now they have their chance to introduce constructive legislation..I dont think they will get much done other than posturing while jockeying for position to run against Trump.
Im glad to see you think you and the others "destroyed" me in this thread. I always want folks to feel good and be happy, even those who dont share my views ????
Let's see...facts? Nope. Rebuttals? Nuh-uh. Bold predictions of future Republican triumph? Oh yeah, lots of those. Keep 'em coming! As to the "chicken in every pot", well, why would that work? I mean, just because every other liberal Western democracy has adopted social democracy doesn't mean that it would work in the USA.
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2 hours ago, bristolboy said:Here is a preliminary anaylis of the vote from Pew.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/09/how-latinos-voted-in-2018-midterms/
That's surely wrong. Nyezhov just pointed out that he knows that Latinos and Asians love Republicans. I was surprised he didn't assert that women did too, if you're going to get it wrong, might as well go whole hog.
If Nyezhov gets around to looking up from inventing facts and making predictions that will turn out to be the opposite of what happens, he will observe that this document could well be titled "the impending death of the Republican Party". Demographically, the only group voting majority for the Republicans are White men, and, as per his fears, that group of voters is shrinking. Latinos, Asians, Blacks, Women, LGBTQ, Young People...all strongly polling for Democrats. What a surprise. Why is it that these people can't see Trump's greatness? Are they biologically incapable? Should they not be allowed to vote?
Keep the laughs coming Nyezhov, it brightens my day with my morning coffee. Seems you're getting rather destroyed on this thread, care to discuss Ayn Rand?
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9 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:
Most of the immigrant communities are socially conservative and he needs to somehow convince them to vote in greater numbers for him. But its all about the economy really if people feel better off under his Presidency he is likely to do well!
Yeah! Except that, according to you, the economy is doing great, yet they just lost the House. How is that possible?
One way is that the economy could be working great for rich folks, but not at all for the middle class. Especially the middle class who were promised so much and voted Trump in to get it, yet are not gaining much if at all from the 1.6 Trillion added to the deficit and are being treated as fools by those they elected. So doubt that's going to be a good long-term play, especially as the anti-immigrant and pro-White agenda plays out.
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23 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:
What we now call "Obamacare" was first proposed by Nixon in 1974. It was shot down by Democrats at that time and was resurrected by Romney and then Obama.
Interestingly, so was the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Another thing the Republicans started and are now committed to destroying.
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32 minutes ago, Nilats said:
I still see him as a person with relatively high integrity working under extremely hard conditions.
So let's just examine this sentence. First, let's start with "integrity". Seems you don't understand its meaning.
Integrity -the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
"he is known to be a man of integrity"
synonyms:honesty, probity, rectitude, honor, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
"I never doubted his integrity"
So...honesty? There's the 6,000 lies that have been documented and which are increasing by around 20 per day. Do you believe what he says? Then there's ethics and morals - he cheated on his three wives numerous times, he's notoriously corrupt in his business dealings...actually, let's save time. Can you give me one of these words in the definition that describes him?
You seem to recognize though that governing the USA is a difficult thing, mainly because you have this opposition to whatever it is you wish to do. Do you recognize that the same conditions are in place for Democrats as well? Hence when they had control over the Congress they too couldn't just do whatever they wanted, there was this process called "rule of law" that makes things go slowly and carefully and require people who are opposed to be informed about what's happening and to have the right to try to get it changed. That's why the health care issue hasn't been resolved. Even when the Democrats have control of the Presidency and Congress, just as Trump has had for the last 2 years, they are not able to just do whatever they want, it has to be done according to rules and laws.
If it makes you feel better, I believe that this slowness in getting things to change was deliberately cooked in at the start to prevent radicals from being able to shift things too quickly and easily.
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1 minute ago, lannarebirth said:
The Onion Field, True Believer, Salvador, Once Upon A Time In America... Good stuff.
1977, 1989, 1986, 1984...I think we've established that his career more or less ended a looooooooooonnnnnnnnnggggggg time ago.
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19 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:
I would have liked to see more James Woods movies, nut job though he is.
Interesting choice. I thought he was a good character actor, but don't recall a single movie he was in. Looking at his list of movies, seems he's been out of rotation for quite a long time, not just recently. The last movie of his I'd even HEARD of was "Stuart Little 2", which was in 2002. Not an A-lister, or even close to it. And yes, a definite nutjob.
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4 hours ago, Nyezhov said:
Exactly. You will have the media darlings like Alexandria pushing their anti ICE, anti Israel, anti Defense and Socialist agenda, they will be arguing about Ladyboys in the bathrooms, burning flags, you will have Crazy Maxine messing with everyones bank accounts, its going to be a circus that is going to endanger moderate democrats, who are going to either push back or go with the flow, meanwhile the Senate is in Republican hands and some Supreme Court Justices are getting old....
Its going to be so much fun to watch.....
Wouldn't you say that past performance is the best predictor of future outcomes? Based on that, your predictions should probably be flipped upside-down to understand what's most likely. I thought they were going to retain Congress?
I do agree though that it's going to be so much fun to watch - once the House demands and starts slow-leaking Trump's tax returns.
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7 hours ago, mikebike said:
Sigh. Okay my Right-Wing friends, it's great to see you trying to emulate your Libtard brothers and start using data to support your arguments and I'd hate to be seen as crapping on that. I think it's admirable.
However, you're doing it wrong. When you have a numbered set of promises and a pie chart relating to them, you need to connect the numbers and the colours so that we can understand what colour refers to what number. Also, when we use pie charts, the size of the slice relates to the quantities of the thing being charted. So there's not really much benefit to this, and pie charts probably aren't the best way to portray that data.
But as I said, I'm encouraged to see you attempting to use data to justify your opinions, so don't let this constructive criticism deter you from doing so in future posts. I look forward to eventually having a fact-based discussion with you.- 1
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8 hours ago, PhonThong said:
With the Democrats proclaiming they will defeat the Presidents part 2 of the tax bill and raising taxes to the previous level, I won't need them. You watch. The transportation industry as a whole will start cutting back to pre-2016 levels. Orders for new equipment will start to be canceled. I know my company will cut back. I think it is only fair that those that opted for this should go first. At least I am laying them off and not firing them. This way, they can at least collect unemployment.
"The Presidents part 2 of the tax bill" - LOL! You mean the imaginary, pulled-it-right-out-of-my-arse tax cut for the Middle Class? 55555555555555! Yeah, I'm sure he meant it, I mean, they spent 1.6 Trillion on the rich and didn't find any money there for them but you know, NEXT TIME WE WILL! 5555555555555555!
And for your imaginary company, will you be providing a political survey so you can carefully cull your libtard workers? I'm sure you will! And when you call your company meeting to let them know they're being fired, everyone in the company will applaud and carry you around the shop floor on their shoulders! I guess the only question for you Right-Wing fantasists is "does this ruin your no-nut November"?
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8 hours ago, PhonThong said:
Your right, they should be glad. After all who wants to work for a "toxic Trump supporter"?
I am not doing anything that the left didn't do after the 2016 elections.
Sort of like Hollywood blacklisting conservative actors.
I am giving them the opportunity to come out of the shadows and proclaim their freedom as unemployed Lefties.
It is not a punishment. It is emancipation.
My Money, My Company.
So...got any evidence whatsoever that Democrat business owners started firing employees immediately after the election due to their political leanings? Didn't think so. Got any evidence that conservative actors have been blacklisted? Didn't think so. No, Stephen Baldwin's lack of success is not because he's conservative - it's because he's a really bad actor. Who is it you were thinking of? I just googled a list of conservative actors and actresses. Not a lot of quality there. Do you think there's a link between being Conservative and not being able to act because it requires a person to have empathy and put themselves in another's shoes?
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11 hours ago, PhonThong said:
Going to be a sad Christmas for some. I will be going through my layoff list next week. Let them find a job elsewhere. Maybe the Dems will support them.
Riiiiggggghhhhhttttt. So you're just an oligarch sunning away the Autumn in Thailand, while pushing buttons on your enterprise in the USA. And because of this election, which substantively does absolutely nothing in terms of your business, you're already rubbing your hands in glee at the opportunity to make life difficult for your workers. Fair enough, they didn't kowtow to their master, punish them!
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15 hours ago, bluesofa said:
There seems to be an irony that a group trying to stop bestiality is an animal rights activists "watchdog"
Well, if that's the case, they're actually voyeurs. I think they should refer to themselves as Animal Consent Activists.
Pro-election rallies to intensify against proposed delay to election
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No, the difference is that my opinion has been confirmed by the events whereas yours has been proven wrong over and over again, and finally you've come to realize this but only to a small extent. I have stated numerous times that the democratically elected governments have, without exception, been kleptocratic. You could search my entire history on this site and elsewhere and nowhere would you find me asserting anything different. However, I have ALWAYS said that the Kleptocrats are, indeed, democratically elected and that reflects the genuine will and desire of the majority of the Thai population. They have legitimacy, no matter how badly they behave when in office. This, and this alone, is the important point. When your only option is kleptocrats, then you should absolutely support elected kleptocrats over non-elected ones. It is only by accepting democracy for good and bad, and abhorring coup d'etats, whether good or bad, that the situation might develop where your good people start entering politics and trying to change things.
Your second paragraph is laughable in its naivety. It's so beyond the possibility of truth that all of your previous views are invalidated as being those of someone living in an alternative reality. Why would the Army, whom you KNOW are as corrupt as any elected government, NOT step in to stop someone who appears set on stopping the corruption that enables the Generals to compile massive fortunes and expensive watch collections? They know perfectly well that the slightest examination of the Defense Budget and their own wealth would send them all to jail in your dreamland scenario. The second a "good" person with the magic to solve Thailand's inherent corruption problem appears, so would bullets to magically solve this issue to the satisfaction of the Army and Oligarchs.