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There's an interesting study that just came out that's germane to this discussion. https://www.psypost.org/republican-voters-show-leniency-toward-moral-misconduct-by-party-members-study-finds/#google_vignette "The results showed that Republican and Democratic voters differ in their desire to punish politicians for moral transgressions. When the perceived severity of a moral violation was low, Republicans exhibited a stronger desire to punish than Democrats. However, this punitive desire was significantly reduced if the transgressor was a member of their own party. In contrast, Democratic voters demonstrated a higher overall desire to punish politicians for moral violations, particularly when the perceived severity was moderate to high. Notably, Democrats did not show an in-party bias; their punitive responses were consistent regardless of the politician’s party affiliation." This jibes well with the discussions on ASEAN Now. As numerous posters on the Left have stated, we've no problem whatsoever with Hunter Biden being punished for breaking the law. Do the crime, do the time! Yet we have also observed, the posters on the Right are willing to overlook pretty much anything that their favoured politicians do because they're heavily partisan and allow that to skew their judgement. As the authors note: “Overall, we reinforce earlier findings that moral foundations are not a clear bedrock on which our beliefs about how to respond to transgressive politicians rest,” Redlawsk explained. “Instead, partisanship seems to be able to override moral foundations, especially among Republican voters in our studies and especially when the violation is perceived as less severe.”

Do you even comprehend how dumb a comment this is? Glaciers don't shrink and expand like you are imagining; they're enormous and would hardly change at all due to the seasons. They're formed by accumulation of snow and ice over centuries, and the only thing that causes them to change like this is long-term climate change. Plus, any observer could see that the travelers pictured are wearing t-shirts and shorts in BOTH photos. Humanity is lost when this kind of stupidity becomes the norm.

If I was in the military, I'd be looking for a non-combat role. Just common sense.

Oh yes, I'm SURE he's going to get a nice big settlement for a journalist starting facts about a presidential candidate! I mean, look at all the court cases he has won doing just that... But I won't rant further since I am such a big fan of both Big Star and Alex Chilton's solo work. Man was a genius and gone far too soon.

"should have", or if you prefer, "should've". Sorry to be a grammar Nazi but that one is annoying.

Then they sure are incompetent when you consider how flailing and failing their response has been. But we already knew that from when they were the administration, so good to see nothing has changed on that front.

' And those people are on the Left as well. That's why the two parties get pretty much 95% of the vote every election and these regular folk are the ones whose votes comprise the vast majority. That you see music, movies, or art as "unnecessary" demonstrates a fundamental difference in philosophy, and perhaps this indeed is why the Right is lacking in such people. But for whatever reason, the Right keep trotting out the artistic mediocrities like Kid Rock, Scott Baio and the like to their rallies - why? They're unnecessary, no? I guess you want to get bigger crowds and more buzz as well as have the people there entertained. But the policies that you advocate for are so antithetical to those of the artists that Republican people also love to watch that you can't even get permission to play their songs at GOP rallies. This is informative. Another aspect is the push for book bans - that the Right is so afraid of books that give readers different ideas and messages shows how bankrupt their philosophies are. The people who supposedly wish for "freedom" seem to care a lot more about using government power to oppress those who have different thoughts than they do. It's good that you understand that the regular working folks are the ones who are really needed to make an economy work as COVID-19 showed us. So why are Republican policies so focused on helping the wealthy at the expense of these workers? Why, for example, in the Trillion dollar budget-busting deficit-creating tax cuts that Trump passed during his term did the ones for the regular folks expire, while the Capital Gains tax cuts and Corporate tax cuts were permanent? How does this help those folks? And why do all the unions back the blue? They're the ones who have fought for pretty much all the benefits that have accrued to the workers since the dark days of child labor and penury. Food for thought, no?

Yet another in the long long series. Just a reminder about our friends from the Right - every accusation is a confession!

I've been asking you guys these same questions, and none of you has given me a reasonable attempt at an answer. Why are all the great musicians, actors and other creative artists ALL on the Left? Like, do you HAVE to be Woke to be any good at all in music or acting or art? Why are the Right so uncreative and boring? Fortunately the answer can't be found in a Kid Rock song otherwise I'd have to actually listen to one. Just keep spouting those buzzwords and diving deep into misogyny and racism, I'm sure that's going to bring the votes of the undecided and independents over to Trump/Vance.

Yeah, right. I'm SURE it has to do with the legal issues, similar to the reasons why he couldn't provide his tax returns since they were "being audited". How's that audit going 8 years later? I think it may have ended up with the incredible, amazing, way way way better than Obamacare Health Care Plan and now that the lawyers have it, sorry, you STILL can't see it years later. Unfortunately the Infrastructure Plan was accidentally included with the Health Care Plan, and it's now in the hands of the lawyers too! If ONLY they would let these amazing incredible plans be released, we'd all see how intricate and brilliant they are, after all Trump's always had a major interest and command of all those details - did you know his uncle was at MIT, very smart!

Kamala Harris' work as a VP is, as with pretty much all VPs, behind the scenes and in support of the President who is the leader and takes all the credit and blame for things. There's a reason you don't hear about them much. But if you're lacking information about the role she's played, it's described in this article. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/26/kamala-harris-vice-president-accomplishments/74534954007/ Out of curiousity, which VP would you say particularly distinguished themselves during their tenure? Mike Pence was similarly behind the scenes, but one must doff the cap for his perspicacity in not getting into that limo sent by Don Donald and having the moral and legal principles to not support the coup d'etat that Trump tried to set in motion. As to Trump's being a wreck: 1. Passed one of the most regressive tax cuts in history leading to budget deficits of over $1 Trillion dollars and for minimum effect and tanked the economy during COVID-19 due to mismanagement. 2. Botched the COVID-19 response with his irresponsible and utterly moronic communications where he continuously undermined his experts and caused the deaths of as many Americans as perished because of the Vietnam War. 3. Disastrous in foreign policy undercutting NATO and other alliances and boosting dictators and enemies of the USA like Putin and Kim. That's just some of the damage, there's lots more including impeachment, treason, stoking racial division and overseeing the government takeover of women's bodily autonomy through appointment of radical Supreme Court Justices.

There's lots to criticize about him, but his military service is not one of those things. I don't think I've seen anyone criticizing him for joining the military.

This may shock you, but not everyone in the world is a Christian, and not all art in the world was dedicated to the worship of Jesus or the bible stories. The painting that was being referred to is described in the link I provided you as being from "The Feast of the Gods" a depiction of the ancient Greek Gods enjoying a bacchanal from the work of a Dutch painter Jan van Bijlert in the 17th Century. We know this because the guy who directed the scene told you so in that article, and the museum where the painting is hanging confirmed it. That you wish to feel persecuted so you can be angry is understood, it's the thing that sustains your Christian hate. I see that most of your lot have moved onto the next outrage to stoke your fire, a woman who has a masculine appearance but who is most certainly a female, who is a successful boxer. Go get 'em! Say, who made that person, was it Satan? I thought God made all things, so why are you so upset about him making that poor boxer look a bit mannish?

Yeah, when has a debate ever changed anything in a presidential race? Do you guys read what you write?

So you're a scientist with a background in a relevant field? Highly unlikely given your inability to write a proper sentence in English. But I guess that's just a "presupposed supposition" whatever that is. Do you practice speaking gobbledegook at home by watching Trump's speeches about electric boats?

Sifting through the blatant racism to observe what your point might have been...why then is Donald shifting the goalposts and referring to a "conflict of interest" that existed when he had already agreed to debate Biden on ABC? That's fear right there. And when you look at the roots of racism, fear is one of the major factors. Why is it you fear others who don't look like you Johno57? What did they do to hurt you? Is it that you fear losing the edge that being White gave you? Why not just appreciate how you got lucky so were able to get by despite your mediocrity?

Just another in the long series of bluster and lies. How anyone would be duped into supporting this dope is beyond my comprehension.

I hope you weren't under the impression that the Elite were too hi-so to participate in these activities. Quite the contrary. They're owner-operators as well as customers.

Yes, for the Vatican to get involved, must be serious! Not like the thousands of Priests who have abused children sexually or the murder of hundreds of indigenous kids in their schools. Trivial stuff. But THIS! Mocking the painting of a guy who was Christian even though it was actually based on a Dutch painting of the "Feast of the Gods", a scene depicting Ancient Greece and their Gods! Gather the torches and pitchforks! https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/29/olympic-last-supper-scene-based-painting-greek-gods-art-experts So, now that you understand that you were simply being ignorant and the Vatican were simply trying to stir up faux outrage against their Church, are you going to demand that they remove this nonsensical statement? Hardly fitting of one of the supposed great religions to fall for this and publicly embarrass themselves by responding. They must be feeling particularly vulnerable given how oppressed the Christian majority who hold practically all the major levers of power in the wealthiest countries are. Appearing to possibly mock our fan fiction! O Lord, strike them dead for their horrible sins! Never mind about South Sudan though, we cool.

False equivalency. Prayuth was never selected by the people in a fair election because he chose the coup route to power and then refused adamantly to give up power when all his credibility was long gone. He oversaw the fake "surrender" of Thaksin and ensured that he would never spend a day behind actual bars but instead could hold court in luxury in an isolated hospital. He brokered the deal and arranged for the Old Guard to be there to take over the "elections" while ensuring that yet another young democratic party would be disenfranchised for the second time in a row. Thailand "misses" him just like it "misses" COVID-19. Both are plagues upon the land that brought a long time of suffering and have left traces of contagion that remain to be cleaned up.

You stated there were no such thing as Brown Shirts on the streets in the USA and I immediately provided you a valid published reference showing you there were from earlier this year. There's others too, including the "fine people" who marched in Charlottesville chanting "Jews will not replace us!" in 2017. These are direct rebuttals to your clear statements that prove them wrong. I'll have that cigar. You're a particularly lousy debater.

The Soup N*zi is an American cultural reference so I was explaining it for those who never watched Seinfeld. Confused is your normal state. As to Brown shirts... https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2024/02/22/neo-nazis-rally-nashville-great-white-south

See? Even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut. It's been a while since you were right about something, and this is probably the biggest factor in the election. With Biden being so uninspiring, the Democrats were in trouble to get people out to vote and they would have been crushed. Fortunately, while Kamala only inspires scorn, racism and misogyny among her opponents, she DOES bring genuine enthusiasm to many of those Democrat and Centrist independent voters who were going to sit this one out. If turnout is high, the Democrats win. The GOP election strategies have both unintentionally highlighted Trump's age and mental decline while mobilizing the young people who are now interested in Harris. The key factors that have successfully predicted elections for many years are now firmly in the hands of the Blue team. Sorry thaibeachlovers, no Fascism for you! (Soup N*zi reference)

I tried to save you some time, but seems you had itchy keyboard fingers. So I'll just repeat what I literally wrote as the last sentence of the post you were responding to: Don't try to tell me the ol' "wait until she's the actual nominee" because he already debated with the presumptive nominee before the Democratic Convention. What's changed?

I think you best add a "/s" to your post as the other old folks were so shocked by your sarcasm they spat out their metamucil along with their dummies!