Briandajew

I shouldn't say it but....sometimes you can judge a book by the cover, and that cover is suspect!

Tomorrows Headlines - Nation Journalist commits suicide with plastic bag over his head as he jumps from 15 storey Condo with his hands tied behind his back and three bullets in his skull - Police say there are no suspicious circumstances. - He sufferred from depression!

Bloody hell the years have certainly taken their toll on The Rocksteady Crew.

Abhisit is beginning to look a lot like Boy George these days - just before his final demise!

According to the other paper they require to do a full audit and replacement of pirated software in all government offices to be even considered for removal. Other criteria that need to be met include declaring piracy as organised crime and making landlords responsible if tenants sell pirated goods.

They can seize and destroy all the copied DVDs and watches they want; it has been clearly outlined what is required and so far no significant effort has been made to address these issues.

It isn't that long ago that the Thai Government Ministers were using Hotmail addresses.............smart eh? I have to admit, I am in no way in favour of supporting Hollywood and their foul ilk in setting out their Draconian copyright legislation - Long Live The Pirate Bay and all who sail in her! These idiots keep quoting the billions of dollars that they say are lost to pirates every year, simple fact, the money is not lost, as the people that use the pirate copies would in most cases have absolutely no intention of paying their ridiculous prices for their overpriced goods.

Take Adobe - how many people in Thailand could afford to fork out almost 1000 USD for some of their software? Seriously? - It gets hacked, people use it, even if it was 100 dollars a pop, it is still out of the reach of a lot of people. Most of the people I know use pirate copies of Adobe Photoshop or similar, they just use it to mess around with their photos as a bit of fun, they aren't graphic artists or proffesionals, they wouldn't dream of paying Adobes prices. If Adobe and all of these other whining conglomerates cannot make their products "Hack Proof" then that is their problem. These days it seems that even if you buy a legitimate DVD video or software, they only license you to use it on one machine, they try to stop you making a backup, you basically seem to own only the 5 Baht DVD Blank that they put their material onto - the content is NEVER YOURS!

Let's see, that's adds up to about 20 trips back and forth to the hospital over that period of months.... Obviously, the police were biding their time and looking for the best time to pounce...

Meanwhile, while I applaud The Nation's ability to get and print this kind of information, it kind of makes you wonder about the privacy of one's medical records here in Thailand. I guess nothing is private once the police get involved. Kind of food for thought here...

Now I'm waiting for them to publish his blood pressure readings and the results of his latest prostate exam...

Indeed, one reason I would never have an ATM card here - you never know who is giving out personal details - If you have no card then they cannot rob your account via ATM after receiving a good tip from someone in the bank - nor would I ever have internet banking here - Privacy means nothing.

As far as Kamnan Po goes, I think he is just a little misunderstood and probably would benefit for a weekly out patients consultation with his local Social Services Health Worker. Jai Dee at heart no doubt.

It doesn't work well anywhere else so I can't see it working at all well here where the people manning the tracking equipment will most likely be bribed or drunk ! Just what we need; thousands of scumbags still free walking the streets instead of banged up with their own kind.

It will end up like the electronic tags in the UK, only here the BIB will be running round some field in the middle of the night after curfew chasing a buffalo!

One thing they don't grasp is that farang owned business, do not send the money out of Thailand, and usually bring money in, even if some of it is generated here. Regardless it is almost 100 % SPENT in Thailand.

The whinging comes from those who can't deliver,

but demand 'their share' for the shoddy product

they do try and foist on the unsuspecting.

If they had what people wanted, at a competitive price,

they would get the business without underhanded tactics.

Exactly - They are unable to provide quality in anything they do! (As an example) I have recently bought four brand new doeer handles and locks - Made In Thailand) The first broke the first day, all three were broken within a week - Why expend the effort to produce or deliver shit that no one will ever return to buy or use? They used to make jokes about the quality from China - Jesus, these people really need to stand back and take a look in the mirror.

Think the OP is getting somewhat bent out of shape here. All these thing can be sorted out without chainsaws and aggravation. If you have the right of access, you have the right of access, get in touch with the trees owners.

The charnote surveys should have put concrete pegs in the ground which give a clear passageway, if the owner of the trees refuse to let you cut them back rent a high sided truck and drive up and down.

Realize that status counts, but saying please works a lot of the time, you or your family are just showing respect. Jim

The first problem is that the Land Office, when marking out land for the Chanotes, only mark out the corners, they do not mark a straight line from point A to point B - which as far as I can gather is pretty much normal in even civilized countries.

If there is anyone who knows how to mark out the boundary where neither Chanote is visible from the other chanote, then I would be greateful?

My problem here is the pure ignorance, We planted trees about 10 or 12 years ago - the people that planted them for us (I was working in China at the time) are "Country" Thais - they insisted we left at least 4 metres clearance between where we planted our trees and the boundary. Fair enough, allows for growth and not infringing on anyones land. The land next to ours, again planted trees, only this time it was planted (By slaves) on behalf of "Wealthy Thais" - lo and behold, they planted their entire last row of trees right on the border (which still hasn't been clearly marked out yet) but within 3 months, their trees were obviously growing into our land. Not satisfied with that, they employed more slaves to plant Banana trees even further across the boundary - Now you can imagine what this looks like after a few years!

They really cannot use the lack of a boundary as an excuse, as at the top most section of our land where the Land Office installed a Chanote marker, which I made totally visible by installing a 2 metre high concrete post - they are now cutting into my land to irrigate their trees by about 3- 4 metres, the Chanote post is virtually at the centre of their trees trunk, and it has (had) overhanging branches of over 4 metres! It really pisXeX me off at supposedly educated people behaving like this.

I would just like to be able to clarify legally that I am in my rights to just chop down any branches that are protruding into my land, nothing more - and yes, a high sided truck would work very well for one side of my land where the roadway comes in, I like that - it could even have chainsaws fitted to the wheels like something from Ben Hur! I simply would never have planted a tree in the first place knowing it was obviously going to grow into someone elses land.

A bit of a common practice out here [ my area ] to plant banana trees right on the edge of their land and sometimes a bit over into your land, so they can claim it. On our factory land, which has charnote title there were trees planted years before the charnotes were issued right on the land border. whose trees are they, is a question, as they were planted before we or the new owner next door bought the land.

Right of access is another question, does the access come under your charnote or his, or is it no mans land, a road.

Think if you can not contact the owner and make a deal, you need to see a land lawyer to sort it out, but be careful. If you have built a house or something on your land without planning permission and the others have a bit of pull you may find you are on a loser.

Better to not make waves if you can help it. Jim

Thanks Jim! - We have a house built on here, but it is all legal, we have stamped plans from the planning division of the red tape brigade, we have the blue book, we have the Chanotes..all of which have actually been signed over to my 12 year old son - (Who cannot sell them until he is about 20 or 21) - At least if me or the wife dies in the meantime - the old Satan Grandmother cannot lay claim! That used to make the hairs on my neck curl, to think that some old bugger could get posession of the land - it cost me about 500 GBP to pay taxes etc. to put it in his name, but now I have a bit of peace of mind knowing no one can sell it from under him.

Yeah, I don't really want to make any waves, I just want to clearly set out a boundary between the two pieces of land - This thing about the Banana planting - surely they cannot claim any land that you actually have a chanote for - as from what the earlier poster said, you have the right to cut any of their intruding trees down?

I must admit, I am quite impressed as to the way the Law has been laid out - It (as I suspected) appears that my family are still relating to SLAVE LAWS that they still believe to be in force from hundreds of years ago....This makes so much more sense and I am so greatful for the clarification - If I can get a hold of the written laws in Thai...I feel them quivering in their blue or white oversized wellington boots! (That make even the biggest Thai bloke look like the biggest GAY you have ever seen!)

I guess that the following question for this topic would be - Does anyone know if the land registry office can actually mark out the boundary in a straight line with tags or stakes etc? I have had the office out before to mark out the chanotes but all they do is come out and mark the 4 corners. It is pretty useless given that you cannot see the two corners along one boundary due to the bloody trees! All I want is for someone who cannot later be held up as an incompetent idiot, to be able to mark a straight line between two chanote marks (they are about 300M apart) but not visible from one to the other. A tight string might not be enough to overcome some of the grass, bananas and fruit trees. I don't want an inch of anyone elses land, I simply want to be able to mark mine out clearly.

This is where we fell out in the past with the Kam Nan, he complained that I had planted trees on government land (actually it was a neighbor that complained to the Kam Nan as the neighbor had used government land bordering my land where he had actually planted trees - There was supposed to be a government road for access, but his trees blocked this.) They wanted me to pull out my trees to restore access - I got the land office out and they marked my land with chanotes, and they basically told the neighbor and the Kam Nan to FUXC OFF, and the chanotes are real- it now appears he has blocked off the access and the Kam Nan has lost face after telling me I couldn't plant my trees where I had them (plus the Kam Nan had sent a JCB in when I was away and removed some of our land - he was stealing sand from the banks of a bordering Klong but took more than he was entitled too!) - so there is some real face loss here.

This will sound complicated, but you can do it yourself once the corners are marked. If you measure back a certain distance at right angles to the boundary at the markers onto your land, you can then place two poles temporarily. You measure back as little as possible so that the other pole is visible. Up to 3 or 4 meters shouldn't be a problem, but with increasing distance more care must be taken with the right angle. So you can at intervals along this temporary line measure back and put a peg in on the boundary with some precision. You might want to put the pegs in 1 or 2 centimeters back onto your property. I last did this at University and the results were correct enough.

If you are at all able, would you possibly be able to PM me on this as I don't quite understand - I am a bit sketchy as to how to obtain the angles and the degree of accuracy - I am not after something to the last centimetre - in fact I am willing to give up half a metre or so if it enables me to get a real boundary in place.

I guess that the following question for this topic would be - Does anyone know if the land registry office can actually mark out the boundary in a straight line with tags or stakes etc? I have had the office out before to mark out the chanotes but all they do is come out and mark the 4 corners. It is pretty useless given that you cannot see the two corners along one boundary due to the bloody trees! All I want is for someone who cannot later be held up as an incompetent idiot, to be able to mark a straight line between two chanote marks (they are about 300M apart) but not visible from one to the other. A tight string might not be enough to overcome some of the grass, bananas and fruit trees. I don't want an inch of anyone elses land, I simply want to be able to mark mine out clearly.

This is where we fell out in the past with the Kam Nan, he complained that I had planted trees on government land (actually it was a neighbor that complained to the Kam Nan as the neighbor had used government land bordering my land where he had actually planted trees - There was supposed to be a government road for access, but his trees blocked this.) They wanted me to pull out my trees to restore access - I got the land office out and they marked my land with chanotes, and they basically told the neighbor and the Kam Nan to FUXC OFF, and the chanotes are real- it now appears he has blocked off the access and the Kam Nan has lost face after telling me I couldn't plant my trees where I had them (plus the Kam Nan had sent a JCB in when I was away and removed some of our land - he was stealing sand from the banks of a bordering Klong but took more than he was entitled too!) - so there is some real face loss here.

This will sound complicated, but you can do it yourself once the corners are marked. If you measure back a certain distance at right angles to the boundary at the markers onto your land, you can then place two poles temporarily. You measure back as little as possible so that the other pole is visible. Up to 3 or 4 meters shouldn't be a problem, but with increasing distance more care must be taken with the right angle. So you can at intervals along this temporary line measure back and put a peg in on the boundary with some precision. You might want to put the pegs in 1 or 2 centimeters back onto your property. I last did this at University and the results were correct enough.

Thank you, I sort of understand where you are coming from but I have no reference points from any angle - My Chanotes are not visible from any other Chanotes from the property, some are over 200 M apart, some are 100 or so, in most cases, long or thick grass obscures the view, and as for using poles of any height, these are blocked by trees - However, from what you have given me, I am certain that I can work with something - I read a bit about this sort of measurements using visbility using angles - Pythagoras and all of that shit they taught us at school and we never thought we would use again! Thank You!

Section 1347. The owner of a piece of land may cut off and keep roots of a tree or bush which have penetrated from the adjoining piece of land. He may also cut off and keep overhanging branches after giving the possessor of the adjoining piece of land reasonable notice to remove them, such notice not having been complied with.

Section 1348. Fruits falling naturally upon adjoining land are presumed to be fruits of such land.

Thai Civil Code: http://www.samuifors...ode-part-3.html

Rgds

Khonwan

Thank you so much!

Finally an answer with a legal link! You really cannot imagine what peace of mind this gives me - I apologise for the late reply - I have been out and about for a while, thank you again, your input is most greatly appreciated.....now, is it Chainsaw.....(Actually in reply to another poster...Weed Killer does not work on full fledged trees if you only spray it onto the leaves that are affecting your area (in my casre about 20%) - all it does is wither the leaves and deforms the growth a little.

I hoped for and finally have the proof that the laws here in many cases are sensible, it is pretty much the same as the UK - if it comes into your property, you can cut it!!! Almost 10 YEARS OF NONSENSE Dispelled in this one post!! You really have no idea how much help you have been! Truly - Thank you!

Do you actually have a link to the Thai original documents as a couple more of the sections of Thai Law apply to some land my wife has - cheers!

Think the OP is getting somewhat bent out of shape here. All these thing can be sorted out without chainsaws and aggravation. If you have the right of access, you have the right of access, get in touch with the trees owners.

The charnote surveys should have put concrete pegs in the ground which give a clear passageway, if the owner of the trees refuse to let you cut them back rent a high sided truck and drive up and down.

Realize that status counts, but saying please works a lot of the time, you or your family are just showing respect. Jim

The first problem is that the Land Office, when marking out land for the Chanotes, only mark out the corners, they do not mark a straight line from point A to point B - which as far as I can gather is pretty much normal in even civilized countries.

If there is anyone who knows how to mark out the boundary where neither Chanote is visible from the other chanote, then I would be greateful?

My problem here is the pure ignorance, We planted trees about 10 or 12 years ago - the people that planted them for us (I was working in China at the time) are "Country" Thais - they insisted we left at least 4 metres clearance between where we planted our trees and the boundary. Fair enough, allows for growth and not infringing on anyones land. The land next to ours, again planted trees, only this time it was planted (By slaves) on behalf of "Wealthy Thais" - lo and behold, they planted their entire last row of trees right on the border (which still hasn't been clearly marked out yet) but within 3 months, their trees were obviously growing into our land. Not satisfied with that, they employed more slaves to plant Banana trees even further across the boundary - Now you can imagine what this looks like after a few years!

They really cannot use the lack of a boundary as an excuse, as at the top most section of our land where the Land Office installed a Chanote marker, which I made totally visible by installing a 2 metre high concrete post - they are now cutting into my land to irrigate their trees by about 3- 4 metres, the Chanote post is virtually at the centre of their trees trunk, and it has (had) overhanging branches of over 4 metres! It really pisXeX me off at supposedly educated people behaving like this.

I would just like to be able to clarify legally that I am in my rights to just chop down any branches that are protruding into my land, nothing more - and yes, a high sided truck would work very well for one side of my land where the roadway comes in, I like that - it could even have chainsaws fitted to the wheels like something from Ben Hur! I simply would never have planted a tree in the first place knowing it was obviously going to grow into someone elses land.

This is great. Not only are the locals bold enough to have a shoot out right around the corner from the police station the other day but they are bold enough to target the police station directly. I love it.

Great reporting too, "The unknown shooter may have been a drunk police officer"

I suspect someone knows more than they are letting on, or "If The Cap Fits!"

Yes,that's a tricky one,I didn't realize that they were fruit trees.As you said, it could be a monetary matter if the owner gets wind that you have cut his trees.

What does your wife and family think?Surely there must be some family members of the landowner that you can contact.

It must be very frustrating,seeing as it your own land that you are trying to clear up.We have a similar problem with our land and that of the neighbors,our rubbers trees are three meters inside our boundary but the tree's from the neighbor are only one meter,not a problem now but it will be a different matter in another ten years.Good luck and try to keep a cool head.

The wife and family are your usual Thai Slave mentality - They simply shake their heads and tell me the police will be called! - This sort of thinking is quite normal here, they will not stand up to anyone, they have been conditioned over hundreds of years to be sub serviant!

They will not complain to anyone in authority, or anyone that seems to be "above them" - sad really, they need to learn that they actually do have rights here - and they do - they just seem afraid to exercise them! Bugger it, I'll cut the trees and let them bring it on!......I ain't afraid of no Thais...who you gonna call...Thai Busters!

I guess that the following question for this topic would be - Does anyone know if the land registry office can actually mark out the boundary in a straight line with tags or stakes etc? I have had the office out before to mark out the chanotes but all they do is come out and mark the 4 corners. It is pretty useless given that you cannot see the two corners along one boundary due to the bloody trees! All I want is for someone who cannot later be held up as an incompetent idiot, to be able to mark a straight line between two chanote marks (they are about 300M apart) but not visible from one to the other. A tight string might not be enough to overcome some of the grass, bananas and fruit trees. I don't want an inch of anyone elses land, I simply want to be able to mark mine out clearly.

This is where we fell out in the past with the Kam Nan, he complained that I had planted trees on government land (actually it was a neighbor that complained to the Kam Nan as the neighbor had used government land bordering my land where he had actually planted trees - There was supposed to be a government road for access, but his trees blocked this.) They wanted me to pull out my trees to restore access - I got the land office out and they marked my land with chanotes, and they basically told the neighbor and the Kam Nan to FUXC OFF, and the chanotes are real- it now appears he has blocked off the access and the Kam Nan has lost face after telling me I couldn't plant my trees where I had them (plus the Kam Nan had sent a JCB in when I was away and removed some of our land - he was stealing sand from the banks of a bordering Klong but took more than he was entitled too!) - so there is some real face loss here.

Maybe wise to talk with the land owner where the tree's are and ask them if the mind you trimming back the branches.

I would if I could but the actual landowner lives somewhere in the city, about 50KM from here and I have no idea where. They only come here once or twice a year.

That makes things a little more difficult then.If you and your family are on good terms with the landowner then I would cut back the branches that are making a problem,I am sure that they will understand.

We really don't know the people who own the land, like I say they don't live here, they pay people to cut the grass and water the trees - this is where I am a bit worried as the trees are fruit trees which they sell in season - so if I cut down almost half of their trees that are fighting with the trees on our land (which I planted about 5 years before they did) it gets into a monetary situation - AND THAIS AND MONEY....................WELL.........

I am really just worried about the legal side of things - I keep being told by the locals that if you cut someone elses trees that the police will be involved (If someone wants to cause a problem) Me, I don't believe that for one minute, but would like to find out the real legal situation if I cut a few metres of intruding branches.

The Electric company and the local government agencies do not come and ask for my permission to cut any of my overhanging branches, in fact I am greatful they do it without actually charging me - (some of my trees are so big I couldn't get up and trim them if I wanted to!) - they just come by every now and again and lop off any branches that are interfering with their cables etc. - I am not looking for a shit fight with the neighbours, but they went and planted potentially huge fruit trees right on the border of our land - when I planted mine, I left about 5 metres between the properties, now obviously, within a few years, these ignorant sods have almost 50% of their trees growing over in my land!

At the end of the day, our land is our land and I will cut them, I just didn't want to find myself in the shit. It would have been handy if someone here knew what the law actually states.

Why don't they just do the usual? Take two wires from a suitable length of cable, jam them into a socket with a couple of match sticks, at someones house near the Samui Ferry Terminal, then use the ferry to drag the cable across to Samui and rig up a few hundred extension sockets like the ones you can buy from Big C for 200 Baht, if they need to get them across roads or other obstacles, they can simply tape them to the ground with some brown parcel tape or prop them up with 5 metre lenghts of bamboo - Alternatively if it is crossing a road, they could provide drivers with a Thai to sit on the car roof with a stick to lift the cable up as they pass underneath! I love watching them perched precariously on top of vehicles as they hurtle along the road - it looks like a scene from Pirates of The Caribbean! Poke a few of their eyes out with a sharp stick, give them an eye patch, they already usually have the machete - Johnny Somchai Depp-A- Porn

Maybe wise to talk with the land owner where the tree's are and ask them if the mind you trimming back the branches.

I would if I could but the actual landowner lives somewhere in the city, about 50KM from here and I have no idea where. They only come here once or twice a year.

maybe seek advice from puyai baan if in doubt?

if i were you, thought, and it is over my land, i would do the cutting no second thoughts.

Unfortunately, the Kam Nan at my place is a vile corrupt little monkey of a man, who would probably tell me I need to pay a million Baht......

Does anyone know what the law here is in Thailand regarding trees encroaching onto your land from a neighbours property? I know that in the UK you can simply chop down any branches that overhang your property as long as you return the cut branches to the owners land (else I believe you can get done for theft)

I have tried asking around here but the only answer I get is that if you cut someone elses tree they will get the police! This I really do not believe as the government are pretty quick to cut any of the trees that hang onto their land and don't ask permission.

We have a track that leads to the road and the neighbours will just not cut the trees back, they are overhanging to a point where they half block our roadway and are getting strong enough now to scratch the car trying to get out.

Surely, if you have a chanote for your own land that you have every right to clear it from whatever you want, anyone had any experience of this?

Thanks

Wonder if anyone has a minute or two to spare and can manage to translate this Thai into English for me?

It is some sort of powder that has to be dissolved in water and then to be sprayed onto fruit trees - what I cannot work out is if one bag (1KG) is good for 200 litres, which seems to be the case in my understanding, or 5 bags (5KG) is for 200 litres....thanks guys! - basically, I have 5 sacks of this stuff, how many litres will that cover?

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To echo others' advice on this matter. We had to get a UK "authority" signature for our baby's passport and they confirmed that our "Pu Yai Ban" could sign, even though they stipulate UK citizen on the form. Worth checking their contingency plans. Good luck.

You know, at the end of the day when it all comes down to the nose against the road, all of these bastards only care about one thing MONEY - they can all be bought with threats, cash, job security - I know the signatories that signed my sons passports, not one of them has ever been contacted by the esteemed British Emabassy - they are simply an excuse for inflated salaries living the colonial life! If ever they had to get off their fat bloated asses, they would be the first turds on HMS Toilet back to the UK! Useless - I'd sack the lot of them and save the UK a few bob. In fact, if it saved 5 pence it would be worth it to rid countries of these pathetic farts that do sweet FA for their own citizens!

They robbed me a few years back when I applied for my sons UK passport - They tell you that you need to register the birth with the UK at a charge of almost 15000 Baht - LIES! you do not! It is completely free, and to obtain the passport you don't even need the registration. Bigger fool me!

Well, good news all round in the end - I found the e mail address of the CEO a few days ago and stated my case, withing about 4 hours I received a reply from a Technical Customer Support Director, who was very polite and told me that they were looking into things, they sent a copy of their complaints procedure, a direct dial contact and e mail address.

Today, the lady who sent the reply e mail has responded (3 days and not 4 weeks as per their procedure) simply asking me to fill in and confirm my bank details to accept payment directly into the account that I have been using as direct debit to pay them their monthly fee for the past 20 years! Hurray for common sense, and I must admit - hats off to them for such a quick and sensible response - I am over the moon and am in the process of ordering a WACOM INTUOS 5 TOUCH Graphics tablet to celebrate, sadly, my wife will be getting a lucky bag this Christmas!

Well I am glad this has all turned out good for you and I think I speak for the replyees as well, bit of a journey and a torrid time, now lets just hope the cash turns up and when do we all get together for a jar I have forgotten already!

A good, jolly good early christmas present.

Cheers! and all the best to you too! Merry bloody Christmas!

Well, good news all round in the end - I found the e mail address of the CEO a few days ago and stated my case, withing about 4 hours I received a reply from a Technical Customer Support Director, who was very polite and told me that they were looking into things, they sent a copy of their complaints procedure, a direct dial contact and e mail address.

Today, the lady who sent the reply e mail has responded (3 days and not 4 weeks as per their procedure) simply asking me to fill in and confirm my bank details to accept payment directly into the account that I have been using as direct debit to pay them their monthly fee for the past 20 years! Hurray for common sense, and I must admit - hats off to them for such a quick and sensible response - I am over the moon and am in the process of ordering a WACOM INTUOS 5 TOUCH Graphics tablet to celebrate, sadly, my wife will be getting a lucky bag this Christmas!