Thorgal

Why do you bring back the WW2, SS, Nazi analogy back into this topic ? Moderator deleted your previous attempts already and now you bring this back... https://aseannow.com/topic/1312538-israel-is-at-war-general-discussion-pt2/?do=findComment&comment=18526291 https://aseannow.com/topic/1312538-israel-is-at-war-general-discussion-pt2/?do=findComment&comment=18526454

Can you provide credible links of your claim of that Israeli baby victim as per forum rules?

More double standards. Israeli soldiers send message to their PM that they will re-take Gaza and settle by getting all Palestinians out is not political hate speech of the main ultra right coalition in Israel. On the other side : different Hamas charters can be cumulated as per required Israeli narrative that Hamas wants to eliminate all Jews from the River to the Sea...

The old charter, yes. The updated one from 2017, not. This was discussed, but again refuted by you because it's against the Israeli narrative...

Apparently not the same for "The River to the Sea" songs during protests worldwide...

There was an attack plan and Israel knew it at least 1 year in advance. Again, you refute the official narrative if it's against Israeli interests. Nothing new over here... https://www.cbsnews.com/video/israel-knew-hamas-attack-plan-more-than-year-ago-nyt/ Quote from link : "Israeli officials learned of Hamas' plan for the Oct. 7 terror attack more than a year before it happened, according to a New York Times report Thursday. Bilal Saab, senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, joins CBS News to discuss what the revelation could mean for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his government."

There was an attack plan and Israel knew it at least 1 year in advance. Again, you refute the official narrative if it's against Israeli interests. Nothing new over here... https://www.cbsnews.com/video/israel-knew-hamas-attack-plan-more-than-year-ago-nyt/ Quote from link : "Israeli officials learned of Hamas' plan for the Oct. 7 terror attack more than a year before it happened, according to a New York Times report Thursday. Bilal Saab, senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, joins CBS News to discuss what the revelation could mean for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his government."

Even BarraMarra started to use AJ...that means a lot. LOL

I like it that you've posted a Al Jazeera link. That's a clear statement.

Can you provide any of my post or snippet that I've been cheering for Hamas ? Thanks...

My side? I'm not a Palestinian...? The poster I've replied is a Hawaiian national of 84 years and I've checked if he's looking at both sides of the conflict objectively. I didn't try to curb his opinion.

All quiet on the Gaza front... Quote from link : https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-to-imprison-soldiers-deserting-from-regular-military-service-reserves/3063948 The Israeli army intended to imprison soldiers who had deserted from regular military service and reserves following the end of the war that Tel Aviv launched in the Gaza Strip on Oct. 7. The Military Defense Department released a statement, which was cited on the radio, telling soldiers who refused to serve to "contact your units urgently before the harsher punishment policy comes into effect." Many soldiers refused to participate in the war “for reasons of conscience.” However, observers link their desertion to the ongoing war in the Gaza Strip, which claimed the lives of dozens of soldiers, particularly in the ground battles that began on Oct. 27.

1. AJ+ is mostly OK for me as news outlet. 2. Fine for me if you don't know the answer to my question as expected. Thanks, anyway.

I asked : did Israeli army also commit "horrific acts" since 7th of October 2023? No need to hide behind Hamas.

Agreed with most of your comments, but did Israeli army also commit "horrific acts" since 7th of October 2023?

"hence it is responsible" = Common Morch, no short cuts. You can do better.

No problem for me if you refute the official Israeli narrative after police investigation. You've quoted this as : "More lame deflections and fabrications."

More lame deflections and fabrications #2 : Your post : The notion that Hamas is only responsible for the direct actions of it's own men is nonsense as well. As the de-facto governing body in the Gaza Strip, it's on Hamas anyway. Your claim that the ones who killed Thai workers were not Hamas is something you claim - not fact. "You seem to know the exact workings of the Hamas plans, and in detail....interesting." Quote from my source : "Al-Qassam and Saraya Al-Quds conclude the handover of the 5th batch of hostages." https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231129-al-qassam-and-saraya-al-quds-conclude-the-handover-of-the-5th-batch-of-hostages/ Conclusion : Israeli and Asian hostages held by Al-Qassam (Hamas military wing) and Saraya Al-Quds (non Hamas military wing) were released recently. This is another proof that most or all Asian hostages were held captive as hostages by Al-Qassam and/or Saraya Al-Quds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Quds_Brigades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Islamic_Jihad Other Gaza brigades like Islamic Jihad might also have Israeli and/or Asian hostages, but they don't work together under official elected Hamas. 1. Who attacked the factory or place with all these Asian workers is logically the military wing that took them as hostages. Not all Gaza brigades attacked the same places. 2. Hamas and all other Gaza brigades do not always work together. 3. Many non-military Gazans participated in the looting and extra judicial crimes without any control or supervision

More lame deflections and fabrications #1 : Quote from post : "There is practically no chance Hamas was not aware of the existence of the rave. It was no secret, and right on their doorstep. Considering the number of Hamas present during the attack on the party, claiming it was 'by chance' is a joke." "You seem to know the exact workings of the Hamas plans, and in detail....interesting." Quote from my source : According to reports published on 17 November, the police concluded based on interrogations and their own investigations that Hamas did not know about the festival beforehand but came across it by accident and decided to attack it. Israeli security authorities suggested that Hamas likely lacked advance knowledge of the Nova Festival. Senior officials estimated that Hamas may have become aware of the event through drones or individuals parachuting, and subsequently directed terrorists to the location using their communication system.[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re'im_music_festival_massacre#:~:text=Israeli security authorities suggested that,location using their communication system. Conclusion :

Do we have to use this tool here on AN or are we free to judge the bias or not ourselves ?

Quote from source : https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/ethnic-cleansing.shtml The Commission of Experts also stated that the coercive practices used to remove the civilian population can include: murder, torture, arbitrary arrest and detention, extrajudicial executions, rape and sexual assaults, severe physical injury to civilians, confinement of civilian population in ghetto areas, forcible removal, displacement and deportation of civilian population, deliberate military attacks or threats of attacks on civilians and civilian areas, use of civilians as human shields, destruction of property, robbery of personal property, attacks on hospitals, medical personnel, and locations with the Red Cross/Red Crescent emblem, among others. The Commission of Experts added that these practices can “… constitute crimes against humanity and can be assimilated to specific war crimes. Furthermore, such acts could also fall within the meaning of the Genocide Convention.”

Was explained earlier that 7th of October attacks was composed out of a mixture of different militia factions within Gaza followed by many civilians that was not part of these more ore less targeted attacks of : 1. Kibbutzim to take maximum hostages after neutralizing Israeli security forces 2. Military bases around Gaza : neutralizing them to be able to take maximum of hostages 3. Rave party : was not foreseen or planned int the attacks because it was not announced in advanced of the extension day on 7th of October 2023 Many lootings and extra judicial killings (like the Thai worker) happened but were not part of the plan of taking hostages. Telling that all Gaza militants went out for extra judicial killings and looting is not correct. It just fits the Israeli narrative...

Quote from same link : "It's beyond anything that I've seen in my career," Marc Garlasco, a military advisor for the Dutch organization PAX and a former senior intelligence analyst at the Pentagon, told The New York Times. Sounds reasonable as he reported to NYTimes. At least it's not a random arm chair expert... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Garlasco Quote from same link : - By comparison, US military officials felt that the 500-pound aerial bomb was too large to use on most Islamic State targets in urban parts of Mosul, Iraq, and Raqqa, Syria. - The Gaza Strip is just 141 square miles with a population of around two million people, making it one of the most densely populated places in the world.

(military analyst says) Quote from link : https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-using-big-bombs-weighing-1-000-to-2-000-pounds-gaza-report-2023-11?r=US&IR=T - Most of the bombs Israel is using in Gaza are exceptionally big, weighing 1,000 to 2,000 pounds. - The use of such large bombs on such a small area might only compare to Vietnam or World War II, an analyst said. - The size and scale of the bombing is raising the civilian death toll, analysts told The New York Times. This was debunked more than once in previous topic #1. Awaiting some revisionist reply that Vietnam and during WW2 no carpet bombing happened...

Hamas DIY weapons factory #2 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANczYpLFNxw&t=107s