jamhar

The Apache's commander doesn't usually fly the Apache, although he can if necessary - he commands and operates the weapons systems, etc, from the front seat while the primary pilot sits in the back seat.

Very unusually the commander may sit in the back seat to pilot the Apache leaving a weaker pilot in the front "commander's" seat; during his tour in Afghanistan Captain Wales flew only in the front seat with the commander in the back seat doing the flying. Draw your own conclusions.

I'm assuming you were the commander, since only the commander and Harry would know who was actually doing the flying.

And does any of this matter if you're shot down?

You know what we Americans think of monarchs

But dude is in his 20's and is now a qualified Apache pilot and gunner.

As well as being third in line for the throne.

The phrase "Says little, Does alot" comes to mind.

At his age, my recollection was "to surf and try to get laid more"....... in that order

(hey I'm from SoCal, what did you expect??)

Not bad Prince Harry, not bad at all

Neither party has to worry about arguing over pay now

What are the Las Vegas odds on him ACTUALLY making it to Caracas?

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Which country will Edward Snowden enter next?

• 2/1 Venezuela
• 5/1 Bolivia
• 5/1 Ecuador
• 5/1 Cuba
• 6/1 United States
• 9/1 Nicaragua
• 12/1 Germany
• 15/1 Iceland
• 16/1 Norway
• 18/1 Russia

After Russia the numbers start getting even more lopsided.

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As one who doesn't wager, this is only a matter of interest to me, to see what others think and believe.

OK Pub, JT

You got me interested in this topic again

Where can I bet?

The aircraft hit the low seawall which separates the airport from the waters of San Francisco Bay. Images of the debris field indicate the 777 made an initial impact to the right of the centerline, losing its tail section and parts of the landing gear before sliding down the runway and slewing off into the grass to the south of the normal touchdown area. Eyewitnesses report the 777 struck the wall ahead of the displaced threshold area in a nose high attitude, causing the entire empennage to detach aft of the pressure bulkhead. The vertical and horizontal tail were scattered in the displaced threshold area, just ahead of major sections of the landing gear.

That's far from saying what caused it. Coming up short can be caused by a lot of things, and then toss in the curve ball that they were apparently to the right of the center line. I have no idea what caused it.

Agreed NS,

But thats why i like it. What happened we can recreate. The "whys" will take much longer.

Speculation is inevitable but premature conclusions can destroy lives and companies with no cause.

Sympathies to the families of the ones lost, and to those injured.

When in doubt better fly with airbus.

good that almost all get out alive.

on other places in the net i saw photos of those who just escaped. comments pointed out that some of them seemed to had the time to take their luggage with them.

See? we disagree almost absolutely

Gimme a Boeing anyday.

But lets face it, i take the shortest trip, in time, and plane changes

regardless of manufacturer

but all things the same, Boeing for me.

Had to look up "parboiled" lol

We engineers has a bad joke.

747-400 had only 2 pilots, no flight engineer.

The next model will only on pilot and one dog. If the pilot tries to touch anything, the dogs job is to bite him.

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Looks can be deceiving.

Believe what you want,

But let the investigation play out.

Still one of the safest form of travel.

I would much rather get on a plane, rather than a minibus ride

A quick rehash…The US decided to attack Afghanistan as Al Qaeda was being provided protection by the Taliban government. Al Qaeda were defeated in Afghanistan, but were able to move across the border to Pakistan due to some very poor decisions by the US military and Rumsfeld. We all know the US did not follow up by attacking Pakistan for providing protection for Al Qaeda operatives. The whole drone issue has been authorised by US law for attacks on another nations sovereign territory, not based upon international conventions governing the conduct of war, so an arbitrary decision by the US. In a similar fashion the legal reasoning by the US for justification of torture, again in contraction to international conventions for the conduct of nations.

It is regrettable US Administrations are ignoring well established international conventions & in the longer term will be to the detriment for the safety of US citizens.

Maybe, its a complicated relationship for sure

Regarding the tactical decisions by the military, i have no idea. Its war, shit happens. learn from the mistakes, and move on.

Regarding the drone attacks

maybe

or maybe the $1.5B the Pakistani military is getting every year, and the similar amount the civilian government is getting

could be on the conditions are they look away at the drone attacks but can complain publicly afterwards.

and maybe the recent Pakistani court decision on drones is a message that Pakistan is unhappy with the proposed

cuts in financial aid scheduled for Pakistan for 2014.

Its all conjecture.

but the effectiveness of the drone attacks vs manned attacks is a fact.

Good God, let me feel the ground,

Did Hell Freeze Over??!!

Guys do not wear ironed tee shirts,

and definitely not a Ramones teeshirt

Presumably the "right wings" are the first pieces to go.

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Left wings will be given to people who complain and protest.

it will be smaller since it didn't do too much work

If its cable Internet access you want

and you split at the coax, you will need a separate cable modem and pay.

If you're trying to get it free, then its best to tap after the cable modem, and at the wired/wireless router/switch.

If you want a secure access, you can run a cat5 cable (commonly called an Ethernet cable) from her router/switch to a switch in your house and maintain bandwidth and security.

And they have low loss, 30M and longer Cat5 cables.

If I worked at Hitler Chicken, I wouldn't mention that on my resume!

I had a few "jobs" like that.

Someone asked what is an anti-semite.

That would be ... Hitler!

I just spat out my drink over the "resume" remark

You owe me a rum and coke

,,,,,,,,,,,And maybe a new laptop keyboard!

PS, thanks for making me laugh tonight

It just occurred to me that this RBT (rat bastard traitor) may have mistimed his act.

I was wondering why Putin has been so hostile against the RBT

I'm thinking that with Sochi coming up,

Putin needs as little flack possible

to deal with all the internal terrorist threats

and needs somewhat of a decent relationship with the US

Another time, and I think Putin would given the RBT asylum.

Any thoughts?

Jamar is right, the number of attacks on the USA these militants were responsible is ZERO.

You misspelled my name.

not complaining,,,, just say'n

As i have stated before, after 9/11, the US decided to take the fight to them

If you're actively planning, aiding in planning, an attack on us soil, we will come for you.

If you're actively planning, or aid in planning, an attack on us citizens abroad, we will come for you.

I'm assuming they fit one of the two conditions.

These are just my assumption. I'm just an engineer and a us citizen

PS, antfish, before things get too heated.....

I do read your posts. We disagree, absolutely, but i respect and value your posts

Lord knows i've made my share of mistakes So its good to read opposing views,

just to double check that i'm on the track that i want to be on.

I rarely know with certainty if i'm right or wrong,

i'm just a guy happy to make a somewhat informed opinion or decision.

Ummm No group hug needed at this time

And for how many attacks on the USA these militants were responsible and which attacks exactly?

Zero, which is the objective

THANK YOU DONNIE!!!

Some of you need to get a room and spare us the infighting

Does anyone know if this place sells waffles also?

and a review of its chicken would be greatly appreciated.

This might be better

A long read to be sure but even the executive summary is good.

The Authors are listed as well as the methodology used to collect data

http://livingunderdrones.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Stanford_NYU_LIVING_UNDER_DRONES.pdf

Thanks mania, like i said, always looking for opposing views

It looks like a long read but i'll see if i get thru it.

Take a pick, who do you prefer to believe?

I believe the Taliban

I dont think i ever heard them say, "please stop the F16 bombings!"

This is the data for Pakistan from the link I provided

the numbers are inline with the "3000 Pakistani killed" quote from antfish above

Total drone strikes

accumulated data

Drone Strikes

357

Total killed

2021- 3350

Civi

258-307

militants

1567-2713

unknown

196-330

Drone Strikes 2012

48

total killed

222-361

civi

5

militants

194-317

unknown

23-39

From where i sit, the data looks pretty good. At least for argument for UAV's vs Manned flights.

A study conducted by a US military adviser has found that drone strikes in Afghanistan during a year of the protracted conflict caused 10 times more civilian casualties than strikes by manned fighter aircraft.

The new study, referred to in an official US military journal, contradicts claims by US officials that the robotic planes are more precise than their manned counterparts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/us-drone-strikes-afghan-civilians

I hate to bring up an old post but

I recall reading this article in the guardian

And the claims that it made

I think the article repeated the claim 3 or 4 times

but never supplied the data, which I thought odd at the time

So i did a little digging, not much mind you

found this data

Drone effectiveness data

Now i dont know the authors from adam, so I'm cautious

but the numbers are more inline with what i would expect.

Does anyone know where the Guardian got its data from?

When did my Ex move to LOS?