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Quick update on this. Received my 90 day receipt approved today 3 Feb from CW following a postal application sent on 21 Dec, (first report after re-entering Thailand, the online report having been rejected) having been approved 3 Jan. So in this case at least, doing a first report after entering Thailand online will be rejected (saying you need to attend in person) but a postal application WILL be accepted. Of course, saying that will apply in every case at every office is a different matter entirely!

Quick update on this. Received my 90 day receipt approved today 3 Feb from CW following a postal application sent on 21 Dec, (first report after re-entering Thailand, the online report having been rejected) having been approved 3 Jan. So in this case at least, doing a first report after entering Thailand online will be rejected (saying you need to attend in person) but a postal application WILL be accepted. Of course, saying that will apply in every case at every office is a different matter entirely!

Ah right. I'll keep my appointments as is then, I will be a month early for my Extension. Thanks for the update re the 90 day queue. IIRC last time I had to do a 90 day in person was at MTT, what a saga that was!

Hmmm. I've got two appointments booked but the 90 day is the first one. I thought they may see no recent 90 Day in the passport and hit me there and then with a fine (unless the extension crew don't get involved with the 90 Day side? The main reason I did the 90 day appointment first is that I can plan the timing for that better. 90 day at 09:20, extension at 10:00. The passport can take some time to come back otherwise (just twigged as I type this, maybe they don't want the passport for the 90 day?). From what I've seen, having juggled multiple appointments, the extension appointments are literally released on a daily basis, 1 month before and only 5 a day. 90 day I found had much more availability but they all go fast.

Indeed. Still waiting for any reply to my postal application that was sent to Chaeng Wattana on 21 December following my online application being rejected (first report after re-entering Thailand needs to be in person so the rejection email said). Only 25 January so there's still time. I will go to renew my extension on 7 February. If it comes back approved before then, fine. If it comes back rejected, so be it. If there's still no reply by 7 February I'll just take my EMS receipt for the postal application and see if that saves a fine. No way will I go to CW just for a 90 day though unless I have something else to do there, appointment or not.

Submit a tax return while they're still unclear what the rules are? Pass. 🙄

Watched or still watching: Wolf Hall S2: Can't say I was that impressed. Endless shots of Cromwell walking from A-B and / or gazing into the distance. A 90 minute movie (max) dragged out for 6 hours. That said I didn't particularly enjoy S1 either, I just like period dramas. Far preferred The Tudors TBH, bit more fast and loose with the history but way better entertainment IMO, plus the cast didn't all look like the walking dead and didn't mumble constantly! Star Trek The Next Generation: Never been a Trekkie but just fancied giving it a spin. Still prefer James T. Kirk and co., not bad though, even if it looks dated (at least S1 does!). I think I could make a more convincing alien planet surface in my garden. "We come in peace, shoot to skill. shoot to kill". 🤣 Dune Prophecy: Really enjoying it. Das Boot S4: One of the better WW2 series IMO. Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare: A Guy Ritchie take on a WW2 action movie. Thoroughly enjoyed The Penguin: Pretty decent too, even if I prefer that Sofia Falcone part of the story. Gladiatior II: Wash, rinse & repeat of Gladiator pretty much with a less interesting story and not a particularly outstanding cast. Gone for the wow action scenes too much in this one IMO. I'd go so far as to say I thought it was crap! Silo S2: Nowhere near as good as S1, really slow, struggled to get to the end of it, lost interest about half way through. Bad Sisters S2: Not bad, again S1 better IMO. Looking forward to The White Lotus S3 (set in Thailand this time), again that suffered with S2 not being as good as S1.

Except that CW now specifically stated in their online rejection email that the first report after re-entering Thailand has to be done in person, in person does not include by post unless they mean that but fall short of actually saying it. So they don't have to accept it all, the reason being their requirement that it's done in person. I'm hoping that postal also qualifies but there's no guarantee at all.

I know you report at Building B, been doing it for years. My reference to IMPACT was merely because I often go there and if I happen to be there it means the trip to Immigration is not SUCH a ball ache. Yeah I've got the link etc. I use appointments all the time. Just juggling the dates to see what best suits. I will likely just wait until the extension is due. If the postal 90 day comes back approved before, all well and good. If it doesn't I'll just stick to my already booked appointment for the extension. If the 90 day gets approved in the meantime, fine. If not, I'll just eat the fine. At least I'll know whether postal applications do or don't work after re-entry, at least until it changes again!

Yeah, I have an appointment booked to do a report in person at CW on 7 Jan (2 days before the end of the 7 day grace period) if it isn't back by then (i don't expect it to be). Just depends if I'll be out at IMPACT as to whether I'll bother. My earliest "45 day before expiry" for doing my Extension though is 22 January, if it's going to be rejected, better if comes back only a couple of days before then, I can then do both at the same time and maybe the EMS receipt and delivery confirmation etc will avoid a fine. It's no big deal if doesn't though and I'd rather wait and see if the postal option does work rather than pre-empt it by reporting in person on 7th. Meanwhile I'll keep juggling the online appointments. Be great of the postal comes back approved. Much less hassle.

I wait with bated breath to see if the postal application works. Fingers crossed! Maybe the IO being able to see the paperwork, including the last entry stamp, will swing it. Either that or it definitely IS in person only now.

It was 13 days before the due date (luckily my online rejected reply came back within 2 days, a few 'Approved' replies I got last year / early this took 2-3 weeks) so I might get away with it, got away with it with one when I was doing postal before and that was also late by a only 2-3 days, just got a "submit earlier next time" note in with the receipt. Last time I returned to Thailand following a trip overseas was March 2020, the first application after that trip was made online and that got accepted so it took me by surprise when it got bounced this time. Maybe that was due to covid lockdown though, I arrived literally the day before they shut the borders. Either that or the 'policy' changed since then with in person reports (hopefully postal too) only being accepted.

I've never had a problem with an online 90 day after renewing my extension. Only time I had to go in person until recently was the first 90 day in a new passport. I did however get an online application rejected by CW about a week ago, it being the first since I returned to Thailand in October. Now waiting to see if a postal application will be accepted (despite the rejection email for the online report saying fist 90 day after re-entry must be done in person). Not holding out much hope but if they do accept it, it will save me some hassle, worth the 50 baht to see.

Thought I might as well try it by post. Sent today, 12 days before the due date. I too had a “send earlier next time” note on one of mine once before when I was doing postal regularly, before online came into being. Since then though, online has worked for me, only needed to go in person when I renewed my passport. More importantly, I can see if they still accept postal as a first report after returning to Thailand. I already have an appointment made for 7 Jan which is two days before the 7 day cut off. If it comes back rejected before 7 January I can still go in person (or not). If it comes back later than 30 days so much the better. If it’s accepted, all good, if it’s rejected I’ll be within my 45 days before expiry renewal period so can do it with extension renewal, provided they don’t say “we already told you by email to go in person”. If they do accept the postal I can’t think why online isn’t acceptable, unless they want to see a copy of your entry stamp in the passport which they will with postal (but they can see your entry date on the system anyway), or even if they just need to have physical forms to input from for the first report. We’ll see.

I'm at 12 days now, given it's just a couple of stamps I might give it a try (as per above post), just claim ignorance if they reject it. Worst that can happen is having to pay up. Online always works for me, just this time I screwed up, aside from is all being pointless hassle of course 🙁

Thanks, I might give this a try then. I'm now 12 days before the due date and I see their site states the application must be sent in 15 days before. On their website they also state the turn round is 30 days so that would be well beyond the due date + 7 days for me. Could always claim ignorance if it comes back rejected or just doesn't come back. 30 days from today would put the date at my max 45 days before expiry (if that's still possible at CW) to renew my extension. Given there's nothing on their site (that I can find) stating that the first report after re-entry has to be in person they might accept my mailed in receipt and "Oh I didn't know". Just my luck to get an ultra diligent IO who says "yeah, good story, but we sent you a mail saying must be done in person after you tried online, 2k cough up" 🤣

Hmmm. Was that recently? I might give that a shot if so, certainly easier, even if I am out at IMPACT.

I was hoping the CW email might give "in person or by mail" options but no. I understand they perhaps want to tie it in to the TM30 system but I did the TM30 the day I got back so it could be cross checked. Maybe the two systems can't communicate until the first 90 day has been put in manually. Whatever the reason, I no longer try to fathom their logic, it's a PITA. Had I not got something to do at IMPACT on Monday I wouldn't bother TBH. Without an appointment (my bad for thinking that I could still do it online, not had to do one since 2020) there could be a long wait in addition to the 2 hour round trip plus around THB 400 in travel costs. That would make the fine only 1,600 in reality, just do a 90 day when I have to go again to renew the extension in Feb. But I'm at IMPACT so "easy" enough to do it.

Just got my rejection mail from Chaeng Wattana: "Your application for "STAYING LONGER THAN 90 DAYS" has been rejected. For first-time requests of a 90-day notification in each country visit, in-person presentation at the immigration office is required."

My thoughts exactly. Unless there's very good reason I suspect they will expect to see that any income you may have is getting taxed somewhere unless that income is exempt. This type of form I've already filled in when I opened accounts at Bangkok Bank and Krungsri. I haven't been to the UK in 26 years but my State Pension is taxed at source there. I have entered my HMRC URN (one of the, 4 IIRC, TIN types you could have in the UK) on the form and under the address sections have entered: "I am not a UK tax resident and have no address in the UK but my State pension is taxed in the UK by the national tax authority HMRC". TINs are 10 digit codes apparently so, at least in my case, my NI number is only 9 alpha-numeric characters so wouldn't be accepted, assuming they even check. I also have a Thai TIN and in the final notes section I have merely entered: "I have no income in Thailand from any source other than annual interest on deposits in Thai bank accounts. It is for this reason only that I have a Thai TIN." Everyone will do what they think is best but, given Kasikorn will share this information with the Thai tax authorities, I don't want to find myself in a position where , if this taxing of foreign income comes to pass, where I go to explain that it's already taxed and they say "OK, but on this form you said..........", if I just say nothing. Of course one can always plead "confusing forms", just not worth the hassle IMO. Equally though, I might end up giving more information than I need and regret that. I've still not finally decided which way to go yet, will hand the forms in at a branch in a week or two.

I've found Wise to be much more erratic these days. For me delays seem to happen more frequently on Mondays, on the 1st of a month (both of which I try to avoid, especially Mondays) and when there is a lot of currency fluctuation. In those cases the normal transfer time of seconds can go to hours, or even days. I do wonder if when they give you a guaranteed rate, if your exchanged currency drops even further below the guaranteed rate, they hope you will cancel and try the transfer again at the now much lower rate. I always wait it out. You guaranteed it, you pay it! I still find Wise pretty decent overall but not as good as they were as the delays and their charge increases become more frequent.

My theory from the outset with this was that IF it ever did happen, the suppliers would adopt the view that people are used to paying the current prices, would not pass the tax reduction on to the consumer and would simply pocket the difference as extra profit as a result of them having to pay less tax.

Looks like this never happened then. When they announced this I noted the prices of 8 wines that I normally buy as a go to in the low, medium and high price brackets. As of September 2024 the prices remain unchanged except for the normal 1-2 baht variance between retailers. What a surprise 🙄

IIRC, MRT can get Senior Card, BTS cannot.

Cheers. The TM8 / photo is already done, planned to do a Permit when I renewed my Extension at CW 5 months ago, just wasn't certain we'd go and I'd wasted one already the year before. No idea why I had it in my head that it needed to be in the passport before being stamped out, like I say, never had to give it any thought before. I definitely wouldn't forget, just making the point that it's not obtaining one that will cause problems, not being stamped out without one (e.g. the problem doesn't arise on exit, it arises on on re-entry). I'm mildly paranoid about the day I go Immigration will have a complete systems outage and can't for some reason do one 😞 I'd imagine they could do an emergency / temporary paper version in that case. Yes I agree, anything but CW, once a year is more than enough!