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Now then, thanks to the comments by Ubonjoe that caused me to me to check again and do some more digging around, might be getting somewhere. To avoid confusion, by the APP I mean the old IMM eService app (Android / iPhone). By old site I mean the website page you could access / use before the new site came into being. Yesterday, nothing would come up on either the old app or site other than old applications, prior to the one I made on 23rd. As of today: On the APP I can use the Check Status and if selecting 'By reference number' a list of applications comes up including the failed one from 23rd. If I select that and follow it through to 'Download Application' nothing happens. Maybe that's a current iPhone app glitch. If however I search by passport details ONLY the applications that I made prior to the 23rd come up (approved and not approved). But it gets better. What is the most helpful aspect though is that if I open the old SITE and search by passport details again it's only the pre-new site applications that show. If I search my current pending application by reference number it's not there BUT if I search the rejected application number (from the 23rd) it DOES come up. Also on checking the actual form by clicking 'View' it DOES show a reason as to why it failed in Thai! (Laek ti mai took dtawng). In my case it's 'address number does not match'. That obviously means something is up with the address but the number DOES match. My residence is showing as a 'Hotel' and the building name was not there, not being a required field. As an aside, my correct visa type also shows on the form (which we can't input), obviously picked up by Immigration. They are clearly not bothering with the TM6 number either but the arrival date is there. As it happens, as I type this, the email 'Approved' has literally just come back from Immigration. The ONLY thing that I had changed was including the Condo name (from which they can clearly see it's a condo) and which has clearly corrected the 'address not correct' issue.. So for anyone getting a rejection you may be able to get the reason by going through the old site, searching by reference number and then viewing the submission. Interestingly, if I search again using passport details the successful report I just made still doesn't show but I can find it by reference number. My address still shows as a 'Hotel' though, obviously just including the condo name sorted it. Maybe the address type etc will be ironed out in time. Just glad to have got it working.

Ah right. The old app I can open up and log in OK but it only shows my previous reports made on the old system. So I guess the old app must show the latest report on the new system only after you've been successful in getting one approved. When I log in on the old app it doesn't show my pending application on the new / current system either. I did notice the overstay status has gone.

The new system certainly seems much less glitchy for those that can get it to work. Biggest problem for me though is when it doesn't. Under the old system (which I will try again if I get another Rejected notice) the only occasion I got a reject notice I was able to log in and see the comments from the IO on the bottom of the submission notice, something I actually missed at first: Now with this system there's nothing, just a PDF of the (partially completed) TM47 you submit. I'm guessing (hoping) my rejection yesterday was down to not including the building name, despite it not being a mandatory field. In the absence of the above facility to check for a reason though there's no way to check which is a massive step backwards IMO. We should not be having to guess why a rejection is happening. So while the new system seems to be better and less buggy at the submission stage, ultimately it's less useful unless you are fortunate to have it work on the first or, guesswork based, subsequent submissions. If filling in the building name doesn't work I'll try the old system via the app. If that still fails I guess it's down to my change of address despite having done a TM30 and using the new address when I renewed my extension a few weeks ago and will likely require a visit to MTT. I did log in to the old system to see if there was anything there but of course TIT and the two systems are not joined up, can't say I was expecting them to be ????. I'm not even sure if the old system / app are still working. If I'm lucky, I won't need to try and find out!

It's definitely a PITA compared to the 'old' system in that I was able to check the rejection notice last time and found the note to re-submit with full name. Back to guessing now. So one step forward to steps back.

I changed the address in that a) I did a TM30 for the new address and b) used the new address when I renewed my extension 3 weeks ago. So yes unless the information hasn't read across or unless there's something else I've missed.

Just had mine come back. Rejected but no idea as to why. Will try again. Hopefully it's not being rejected because I'm not filling in the information that there is no place to fill in (visa type / TM6 number etc). I've no idea what the BOI box is for. I'm guessing it's for work related. visas? One thing I didn't do is include the condo name with the last one, I've included it now. Other than hat my crystal ball is all out of ideas. If this one gets bounced I'll try to use the old site/app if indeed those are still working. I did change to the deposit method from the income method for my extension a few weeks ago. Hopefully that hasn't thrown a spanner in the works needing a personal report. First report at our new address too so that's another potential spanner.

Submitted yesterday at 08:00, got the 'application received' email at 10:30 same day, as of now (one day later) 'Pending'. Fingers crossed no glitches. Came back much faster using the old site. Will give it another day or two. I'm guessing you can't submit another application while one is still stuck Pending.

Yes I was fortunate in that I didn't have to fix it by a personal visit. The rejection notice I received contained a note to telling me to re-submit and fill in full name, that worked.

After never having a problem before I was rejected last time I did an online and was told to fill in my full name, despite only the surname being a required field. Now on the new site, it's still only the surname that's a required field but I filled in my full name regardless. Left the address building name out though. Guess they are happy that they have what they need and can check themselves with regard to the other missing information (TM6 and Visa type).

Just submitted using the new website. Seems much less clunky than the old one. Oddly though, the details page did not include any questions regarding 'type of visa' or TM6 number? After agreeing the form and clicking submit it brought up the TM47 form with those two questions left blank. Not sure if they now prefer to check those details themselves or if it will come back with a request to fill those details in? If the latter I guess you would have to fill them in on whatever form they send you because doing a new application would still not bring those details up? Application is currently Pending.

It's the correct app. Chonburi Hospital is the developer.

The Omazz Falcohn, latex, we used for 5 years was great, if very slightly too firm. Never had any indentations though. So many variables though, brand, materials, construction method etc etc plus of course personal preferences. I find a very hard mattress is not that comfortable for me, too may pressure points, I'm not keen on too soft either as I find them too hot. Trying them in a shop is OK for immediately de-selecting those you might really not like but not much more use really. Two minutes in a shop isn't the same as 8 hours, and definitely not 6 months.

Maybe I'll just pay attention to the helpful and informative replies and ignore the stupid ones ????

Happy enough to check them out but never come across anywhere that sells the brand, not turned up anything following, albeit cursory, searching either? Where are they sold in Thailand? That said, at a list price of $19,000 US I think I'll pass! It actually seems like quite a flippant thread but with some, thankfully, serious, helpful and informative replies.

Old thread now but still relevant. We are also in the market for a new mattress and, like TGJ I'm also looking at the Dunlopillo Ecstasy. Had a stroll round both Home Pro and Central after doing some initial internet searches and also came the conclusion that the RRP of mattresses supposedly on 'sale' are wildly over-inflated, such as to bring the sale price down to a still overly-inflated sale price. I guess they do it here because they can get away with it and there's always some sucker that will swallow it I guess. We've swung back and forth a few times between pocket spring or latex, in some ways preferring the former for the supposedly better ventilation, but my wife is dead against springs of any sort, on the basis that regardless of how many there are or how well isolated they are they are, they are STILL springs. I'd imagine you'd have great luck in pursuing a warranty claim if springs started to fail after a few years. In Malaysia we had an Omazz Falcohn which was very comfortable and, one of the most importance things to me, there was no disturbance if one partner gets up in the night for whatever reason. Still can't decide on what might be better on that front, I thought the pocket springs would be better in that regard but, as we had no issues with the Omazz, I'd rather go for the latex option I think as opposed to the (prone to fail?) spring options. I too have have found wildly differing prices for the Ecstasy and found the lowest so far at Shopee for 46K so I've mailed Dunlopillo with a screenshot as the opening play to negotiations. Will see how it goes.

Indeed. The mandate for children to also learn Chinese will dilute that even further. Other than 'suck up' that will achieve little.

Yeah, I'm sure the 1pm session didn't help. Residue from the morning I suspect. I think about 6 passports came back while I was sat waiting, one every 10 minutes or so, then nothing at all. When the staffer came back it was a BIG box, could easily have been 20-30 in it, and it was full, unless there were other documents in there too. Might be the same next year but I'll revert to a morning appointment if I can, just to take the pre-lunch residue out of the equation.

I have also done the same. Neither your or my experience makes anything Immigration policy though. There have also been reports of people who have not had a TM30 and been told to do one. One person's account doesn't make it the norm and not doing / having what is needed is all fine, until it isn't. What you, nor anyone else, absolutely cannot say for sure though is what the IO was / was not looking for in my case. What has happened to you historically is irrelevant in that regard. I was required to do a TM30 in when I first moved to Bangkok 7 years ago (from elsewhere in Thailand, the year count is largely irrelevant too). Since then I was never asked and it was never checked. Then earlier this year I renewed my passport. Went to CW to transfer the stamps, TM30 not checked. Then went to MTT to do my first 90 day report in person (you have to do the first 90 day in person with a new passport) and the TM30 in my old passport pre-dated an exit / re-entry I had done in 2020. I was told to update it. Luckily, I already had updated it by self-registering on the TM30 app and was able to show her the phone screen, I had just never got round to replacing the original paper TM30 in my passport. After that I printed the screen shot and now leave that in the passport. What has happened to anyone one, ten or fifty times doesn't validate that experience as being policy, it also does not stop the IO asking for something that the law says you should have. Getting away with not having it and/or not asked for x for # years does not mean it's policy and does not mean a person won't be asked. What Immigration wants can and does change, often depending on the IO at the time, and often just in a few cases. Others are free to do whatever they want, but I prefer to have everything that I should have and might be required rather than be left scurrying around because I don't have it, regardless of how many years I may have got away with it for. YMMV ????

I have not been able to use Embassy letters since the changes came about. Up until now I've used the income method with monthly transfers, needing to show they were international (FTT) both by way of bank book entries, statements and (in the first year) Credit Advice slips which the IO didn't look at and handed back to me. So, I did the same this year, being certain that they would want proof of compliance with the previous renewal method which is what I came to understand reading all the previous posts here. I would certainly not veer from that even now, it's simply not worth the risk. It's the mere fact that she wasn't interested at all that surprised me. She did not even open those bank books, just handed them back, discarded the statements and bank book copies for that method, merely clipping them to the bundle at the end. Whether anyone looked at them I don't know, nobody will. In addition, nobody can say whether she was looking for the 90 day report or not, one person's guess is no more valid than another. All I am able to say, as the one that was there, is that she did rather purposefully flip through the passport, got to the place where the 90 day was stapled in, removed it, opened it up and read it. So she sure seemed a lot more interested than just "oh what's this piece of paper". Take from that what you will. As I already stated in the OP, I HAD changed address so maybe that was why she was looking for the TM30. Again, though nobody can be sure what was in her mind. But, change of address is one of the two reasons they might check for a TM30, the other reason is that they might be checking to see that you have a TM30 for your current address, whether you have moved or not, so it's not ONLY if you changed address. Change address or not, you should have a TM30, depending on how much they are bothered. One explanation though could be that they ARE looking for both. Two things I did leave out: I was on time for my appointment at 1:00 pm. The checking process was all completed by 1:15 pm. The wait for the passport however was the longest it's ever been. 1 hour and 20 minutes. There were a LOT of people waiting for passport return from the morning session (I spoke to a guy who pointed out several that had been there before 12). We even went for a period of 30 minutes before my passport was returned when there was no gradual trickle out of passports every 5-10 minutes, which was a bit odd. I'm guessing there were potentially two reasons. First off, the bottle neck has always been the final sign off and passport return. Being the first in for the afternoon session could still leave your application quite a way down the approval queue from when they 'downed tools' for lunch at 12. Previously, when going early morning I've only ever waited 30-45 minutes for the passport to come back. Secondly, maybe they've changed the process to keep staff traffic within the building down. Passports only started to come back this time when the staffer returned with a fairly big box full. Either way, I will try to do morning appointments in future, as early as possible. I can't recall when the first appointment time is, just so long as I have time to get to CW to hit the bank and get my letter and bank book updated.

Went to renew yesterday and also change from income (65k monthly transfers) to deposit (800K) method. Won’t post a blow by blow account for every document as much of it doesn’t change so will mention a few things of note. I had made an appointment for 1pm this time as I played safe and made sure I fulfilled the income criteria for the whole 12 months albeit the deposits I had made at the beginning of September (hitting the 800k plus) could likely have covered the months remaining after that for income transfers by way of the combination method. I was probably overly paranoid by satisfying both sets of criteria fully but given the difficulties of travel and entry in the event of getting a refusal and having to leave to come back and start again I was prepared to make sure there was zero chance of a problem (at least as much as you can). As it is I probably won’t do another 1pm appointment next time, the reason for which I’ll explain later. This time I opted for 1pm so I would have the morning to get all the banking stuff done locally around Phloen Chit just in case I got unlucky at CW with one of the two banks I needed being closed due to a covid infection or the system being down. Did my usual journey to CW, taking the BTS to Wat Phra Sri Mahathat then THB in a taxi. The covid screening station was super easy, they even have English speaking staff filling the, now small A5, forms in for you, it’s literally a couple of questions, staffer fills in the form then hands it to you to fill in your name and sign. Then straight through. I didn’t bother going to the queue ticket counter or the document checking section (twice I’ve been to the document check section before, when I didn’t have appointments, and found it a total waste of time. Had me doing things that the ACTUAL IO didn’t want and taking extra document copies only for the IO to discard them). Pass on that waste of time unless there’s no choice. My appointment was for 1 pm too and they only open the doors at 1pm so I didn’t want to waste time there and turn up late at the cubicle. Went straight to counter L1-32 which is almost at the end of the L1 cubicle row and has a very small sign on the cubicle and also on the IO desk saying ‘Online Appointment / Retirement’. First thing of note, luckily I printed my Appointment Email. That email will tell you to go to desk L1-32. The IO will ask for it and retain it, crossing you off her list. I had pre-filled and printed off the 4 sundry forms that can be found here. I made the mistake of signing them too but no big deal as she just stamped them again and had me sign them. This time, she took a photo of me holding the penalties notice so it was visible. Whether it was because I had changed method or whether this is now the norm I don’t know. As ever, any documents you do sign, sign in blue pen. What surprised me is that the IO did not seem interested at all in the documentation or bank books for the previous year’s income method. She handed the bank books back without even looking at them. She only bothered with the deposit account book. I had taken a copy of the bank book inside cover and pages. I made the mistake of running a highlighter over a couple of entries to make it easy to identify them. Don’t. She pulled that page, did her own copy and highlighted it herself. They have their own methods I’m sure. What I was lucky about is that it seems that the cubicles now have printers which they are happy to use rather than sending you off to the basement to take a copy yourself. The IO did however retain the 13 month statement from the income method bank so I wouldn’t want to say it wasn’t needed and for peace of mind I’m glad I took it. Maybe her boss would check that. Or maybe she just didn’t throw them out. But it’s off for the papers to be submitted without the bank book for the info they’re interested in. In both cases I had done a transaction on the day of application, obtained the account letter (Nang sue rap rawng) and copied / signed the updated entry page of the bank book. As an aside, the full Thai for the account letter is ‘nang sue rap rawng yawt ngern fahk’ (it appears in Thai on the Bangkok Bank letters) and translated means ‘book certify sum money deposit’ (even though it’s not a book) but ‘nang sue rap rawng’ is enough for any staff in the bank to know what you want. 90 Day / TM30: The IO did flick through the passport to find my last 90 day report receipt. She also briefly looked at the screen print from the TM30 app. Whether she did that because I had also changed address I don’t know. TM6: Since the last renewal I had changed to a new passport I also took a copy of the TM6 card (even though it’s in the passport) and the entry stamp. I guess all the info is in the transfer stamps though and she didn’t want the TM6 copies (I’d done one with just the TM6 and one with the TM6 and entry stamp from the old passport). Other documents I’d taken which she didn’t want: Wise transfer receipts (I had not been and got Credit Advices for the monthly transfers. Last time I was told I’d need them this time but two years before I took them and they weren’t wanted so I thought I’d wing it and offer the Wise receipts if needed. As I said though, the IO was not at all interested in the previous method compliance. Previous passport Rental contract (in lieu of charge of address) Hand drawn map of home address location (she did however retain the printed / Google maps version that was in the document bundle). Pension certificate

This is what stopped me using HSBC to transfer from the UK to Thailand with their supposedly flat £4 transfer for Premier customers. For a couple of years it was then several years ago something changed (and I've seen numerous accounts of what the reason might be) and very hefty intermediary charges started appearing too at the time of the transaction. A year or so ago I tried another transfer and was surprised to see no intermediary charge, thinking things had gone back to normal, I did another test. Luckily I didn't do a full transfer, just a couple of small test amounts to two different accounts, this time they both got hit with intermediary charges 2+ weeks later! Took me ages to actually find out what these mysterious charges were too as there was zero information provided in online banking, literally zero, just a debit of funds (nothing like 'international transfer fee', no reference number, absolutely nothing). Complained to HSBC, as much about the total lack of information as anything, and after much to and fro they finally admitted the information they provided was inadequate. I'm not sure if it's still the same now, if I was in a position too I would have closed the accounts with them, as it is, I use them as little as possible. I was told the same as @Stocky too, if I wanted precise information I would have to pay an investigation fee. The oddest thing is, not everyone seems to be affected and can still get the flat rate fees. To this day I have been unable to find out what the reason is (the bank that they send to? some other combination). I've even tried deleting payee accounts and setting them up again but getting hit with intermediary fees makes it expensive to play around with different combinations).

Was that using a courier? It's certainly not normal. Unless what was in the package qualified for a higher rate. THB 1,300 would normally not get hit at all.

Things that I've imported I've never had the insurance and shipping costs taken into account by Customs. Just 10% (I believe the rate can vary depending on what the goods are) on the declared value (duty) then 7% on the combined value (VAT). So THB 5,000 declared value would be THB 500 in duty then 7% on THB 5,500 = THB 385. Total 5,885. Anything under THB 1,500 is exempt but I've had several packages above that value ignored too. Depends on how busy / bothered they are I guess. Just avoid using couriers if at all possible.

Might be an idea to check the facts before suggesting the report was prepared by the WHO itself. It was an independent investigation commissioned by the WHO and conducted by the Independent Panel for Pandemic Preparedness and Response, so actually no, absolutely nothing like reading an assessment of Ford by its CEO at all. The facts are out if you take the time to check before jumping to incorrect conclusions, but hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your own narrative. In addition, the report actually identified the serious shortcomings on the part of the WHO so even that aspect doesn't even support the point you are trying to make. Like derrr ????.

We all choose what to place value in with regard to 'articles'. Even the WHOs own investigation and report into their performance with regard to Covid reported on the two key issues I mentioned above. Did you even read THAT article, maybe to busy engrossed in smug self-righteousness?