Morden

I am also a bit worried about the health insurance issue, I have Int. health insurance now but I am only 51 so not too expensive yet but it goes up and up the older you are getting.

I am considering when retiring at about 65 years of age to move my address back to Denmark and thus get covered from there from the free public system (which off-course will not pay anything for treatment in Thailand).

So if I get cancer I will have to go back to DK and get treatment for free.

Is it possible to have a health insurance issued by the Thai Government and thus be covered for treatment on public hospitals?

Maybe have an accident insurance too? They are not that expensive.

Health insurance inevitably becomes more expensive with advancing age. The bills get bigger and there may well be more of them. You have the choice between insurance and self-funding.

You, as you say, can return home but you may be there for quite a ling time. Are you prepared to give up what you have here for many months?

Blackman, you're way of the mark.

The gun is for protection at home and I was referring to shooting dogs that encroach. There is no possibility that anyone would retaliate by breaking into our home over a dog. You know that from what I wrote.

I respect the property of others but I respect my own property and animals more. The soi dogs (hardly 'property') haven't bothered me or my wife in the street so far but they have on our land. We once were caring for a lame dog for a friend. He nipped out one day and was savaged by the brute across the road. His back was ripped and bleeding. The brute's owner suggested that I take the dog to a vet. - at my expense, of course. That brute went too far when he forced his way through a hedge and used our chickens for breakfast.

It's common sense to protect yourself and yours against diseased, vicious and uncared for dogs. If the owners won't control them, then other can. We killed dogs on our land once and have had no problem from others since.

like i said, maybe it will happen to you one day

you cannot possibly categorically account for others thoughts and actions about losing a family member to a cowardly poisoner

you seem to think you are immune from retribution in a country where face seems to mean so much

but why would you think they would break into your home to get at you?

anybody seriously bent on revenge would serve the dish cold and get you in a quiet road when you least expect it

Your lack of sympathy for the injured girl and preoccupation with what I do to protect me and mine is noted.

A sick and dangerous dog is a 'family member'? Take a step back and listen to yourself. As for poisoning and our other solution, do you suggest that I approach a dog having its meal at my expense and have a quiet chat with it? Do you suggest that I let it continue and return for more?

I don't think that they would break into my home for revenge. That's your suggestion and, it's seems, your wish.

I wonder how much time you have spent in Thailand and how much you have learned here. Only a fool would put up with the antics of vicious, diseased dogs the owners of which allow them to wander and terrorise the neighbourhood. We dealt with our problem ourselves and it's finished. Your wish that we suffer an attack from owners when all that we have done is protect what is ours is also noted.

Blackman, you're way of the mark.

The gun is for protection at home and I was referring to shooting dogs that encroach. There is no possibility that anyone would retaliate by breaking into our home over a dog. You know that from what I wrote.

I respect the property of others but I respect my own property and animals more. The soi dogs (hardly 'property') haven't bothered me or my wife in the street so far but they have on our land. We once were caring for a lame dog for a friend. He nipped out one day and was savaged by the brute across the road. His back was ripped and bleeding. The brute's owner suggested that I take the dog to a vet. - at my expense, of course. That brute went too far when he forced his way through a hedge and used our chickens for breakfast.

It's common sense to protect yourself and yours against diseased, vicious and uncared for dogs. If the owners won't control them, then other can. We killed dogs on our land once and have had no problem from others since.

Shame you didn't just save the $8000 premiums for the last 8 years. $64,000 would cover all but the most serious treatments in Thailand.

I know someone who has already paid THB3m for cancer treatment and he hasn't finished yet. Your $8,000 isn't enough, unless, as you suggest, you're not interested in the most serious treatments - you know, the ones for life threatening conditions.

Blackman: maybe one day you will choose the wrong dog to poison and you will pay the ultimate price

What's the ultimate price? The owners of dogs that created havoc on our land muttered a few words and then shut up.

i was putting forward the suggestion that one day you might poison a dog where the owner takes you killing his dog a little more seriously than muttering a few words and shutting up

That's ridiculous.

Since we did the job once, dogs and their apparent owners have been very quiet.

My other option is to shoot them. That means getting up at the crack of dawn to see whether or not they breach our boundary. It's much easier to lay poison just inside our boundary lines and get a good night's sleep. Still, it's not happened for a while.

ok keep thinking that no one will ever retaliate and sleep well

Our locals are not so interested in their dogs that they would retaliate with anything more than snide sideways comments followed by friendly reconciliation.

Just out of interest, have any of you guys who rely on savings ever enquired into the cost of cancer treatment. It would be interesting to know how your nest eggs measure up to whatever the figure might be.

Sad.

This is another case to counter the soppy outpourings of the 'poor soi dog brigade'. The vermin should be killed unless they are penned on their owners' land.

You so right. Stupid dog is minding its own business, a smart human goes to annoy it and its the dogs fault.

Smart at 6; poor kid! Or she must be some child prodigy eh?

It's the parent's fault of course, how could this little girl know any different?

No one is blaming the girl and it is indeed Sad she is hurt, but certain poster always without a fail blames the animal and always without a fail spurs hate to kill/poison the animals

It's not about blaming the animal, it's about dealing with the curse of rabid, dangerous dogs roaming the streets, breeding and attacking human beings and their own animals. The solution is to either pen them or kill them.

it seems that the dog has more maternal instinct that the 6yr old's mother. Who leave a 6 yr old alone???? Would you say the same thing if the kid wandered off and into the street and got hit by a car? Whose fault would it be then?? If the parent cannot watch kid because they have to work then they need to have someone else watch her. Construction site you say maybe they should have left the kid with grandparents like the others do

How well do you know Thailand?

Blackman: maybe one day you will choose the wrong dog to poison and you will pay the ultimate price

What's the ultimate price? The owners of dogs that created havoc on our land muttered a few words and then shut up.

i was putting forward the suggestion that one day you might poison a dog where the owner takes you killing his dog a little more seriously than muttering a few words and shutting up

That's ridiculous.

Since we did the job once, dogs and their apparent owners have been very quiet.

My other option is to shoot them. That means getting up at the crack of dawn to see whether or not they breach our boundary. It's much easier to lay poison just inside our boundary lines and get a good night's sleep. Still, it's not happened for a while.

You're right, parents should carry their children on their back like a backpack when they're are working to make a living

Parents should take their kids to construction sites? Oh but wait if one can not afford to have a baby, how about NOT have one in the first place?!

dam_n, and there was me thinking that you lived here for longer than 3 weeks already and were a little knowledgeable about Thailand.

Let me give it a try. A 6 year old can even be 6 years and 11 months, so the baby probably was decided on about 8 years ago. In the past 8 years many things have happened in Thailand, and not for the better.

For example when I built my house 3 years ago, which was at the same time as the big floods, I had a sub contractor who had just lost everything he owned because of that disaster. So he was happy he could work and sleep at the construction site with his whole family, because the home he owned a few months earlier simply wasn't there anymore.

All the construction workers live at the construction site with all their possessions together with their children.

I guess the company doesn't pay for creches and kindergartens.

Thanks for exposing some of the ignorance on this thread about Thailand.

Thanks. I'll try that in the cold light of to0morrow morning.

It's simple.

Children are more important than dogs for which no-one takes responsibility. So. if the dogs do harm, exterminate the diseased buggers.

Blackman: maybe one day you will choose the wrong dog to poison and you will pay the ultimate price

What's the ultimate price? The owners of dogs that created havoc on our land muttered a few words and then shut up.

this news is sure to throw more fuel on a smoldering fire

i hope the girl recovers quickly with minimum scarring

as predicted this morning, another thread where dog haters can openly advocate and celebrate the killing of mans best friend by the cowardly poisoning of them

one hopes that karma really does exist and that they in turn suffer a grisly, painful and protracted death

the sooner the better...

Soi dogs are not man's best friend.

Bump.

Still a problem.

I'm using OS on and iMac with Chrome, in case that may be significant..

Sorry but in this case I don't blame the dogs but the patents. Its natural for any animal to protects its young. Clearly an accident. Quite different from a gang of soi dogs acting aggressive.

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No, the dogs can't be blamed for what the are but kill them all and there will be no more attacks from them.

Read this and see how dangerous any uncared for dog can be. Again, deal with the dogs not people, other than the owners.

Thing is this dog was only protecting its young, totally different from a group of aggressive dogs. As for killing of the soi dogs ask how the Thais think about that. I personally would not mind killing off some of the aggressive dogs that have bitten people.

However that won't happen in Thailand as we all know. Now you got old farts that are afraid of their own shadow that want to kill them all that is a bit overkill in my opinion. Aggressive packs of dogs sure.. all of them.. nope.. good thing would be if they just started with neutering them the the problem would slowly solve itself. That should be something the Thais would be ok with.

I have yet to be attacked by a soi dog, principally because I am usually in a car when I leave home. However, they have wreaked havoc on our land and, after too many incidents, they now pay the ultimate price. The owners didn't care what damage their dogs did but reacted and learned the lesson when we dealt with the problem ourselves. The surviving dogs also stay away now!

Sad.

This is another case to counter the soppy outpourings of the 'poor soi dog brigade'. The vermin should be killed unless they are penned on their owners' land.

You so right. Stupid dog is minding its own business, a smart human goes to annoy it and its the dogs fault.

Who said it was the dog's fault? The article makes it clear it was not, "The girl, who was unaware of the danger due to her young age, approached the new mother and her puppies."

Are you suggesting that it was the poor little girl's fault? Does she deserve to be scarred for life?

Sad.

This is another case to counter the soppy outpourings of the 'poor soi dog brigade'. The vermin should be killed unless they are penned on their owners' land.

You so right. Stupid dog is minding its own business, a smart human goes to annoy it and its the dogs fault.

Your sentiments towards animals, lemoncake, cannot be debated.

It is not the "dog's fault", inasmuch as people being stupid enough to "let the tigers out of the cage". Moreover, it is a case of "you get what you asked for". You coming along and defending the dog is simply a rude way of saying "I told you so". I say "rude" because you are doing this in lieu of a child lying in a hospital who will bear scars and humiliation from other Thais for the remainder of her days. Just a suggestion, but if you wish for people to not view you as scum, then a little respect towards the little girl before announcing your passions for ferel animals would be in order.

But dogs do co-exist here with humans and those who appear human and walk upright and behave human most of the time.

Subsequently, dogs and humans will suffer and even die from the actions and behaviors of the others.

If you insist on implying that all living things are equal, and are to be treated equal, then I cannot imagine why you are berating Morden for exercising his right to express his disgust with the dog, his compassion for the little girl, yet in the same breathe defending the ferel dog for almost killing another living creature in its environment.

Are you being biased towards dogs and racist towards humans?

Are you suggesting that no action be taken?

Are you saying that feral animals in a human environment have no limitations on their behaviors, and that we are supposed to "step around them" at every given moment?

Are animals sacred to you, lemoncake, to the point that you did not even bother to express at least an ounce of something positive towards the "horrible little girl who was threatening the angelic bitch, who was protecting her illegitimate ferel spawn"?

Your psychology on this issue is convoluted and you do not play by any rules, it seems. That makes it easy for you to sit on the hill and cast down judgment, doesn't it?

I am merely amused and curious at your blind defense of one, and aggressions towards the other in this endeavor for a perfect world.

I do not mean to offend you, and I do understand that the parents are stupid, but the girl should not have had to pay the price for her stupid parents.

However, were the dog to have attacked, say, my son for no reason (and it does happen), and you were to be in my presence and spout of an insensitive and untimely defense of your beloved animal kingdom, then I assure you I would take it upon myself to impress upon your mind that human children are also sacred and have rights to be protected by parents just as much as those ferel puppies.

I do hope you understand, and don't cry to the mods over this disrespect and anger at your insensitive and untimely post.

Thank you.

Yes, children are sacred. Semi-wild dogs don't earn that description.

A good, rational post with feeling.

Wat about carrying a cattle prod? Not lethal at all but effective for animals as well as humans.

A bit of a handful to carry. Pepper spray and zappers are, as someone pointed out on another thread, easier to handle. However, the curs return eventually and nothing changes.

Too many stray dogs in Bangkok and rest of Thailand in general. I have more than once been almost attacked by street dogs. I was once chased by a pack of dogs when jogging down the road in a residential area. The dogs retreated when I picked up some rocks and started to throw at them. Unfortunately too many animal lovers here feeding the street dogs and culling would be out of the question.

I think you might find that those were not street dogs, often in residential area's they leave dogs outside to roam free but care for them. Running is a good way to attract dogs, its in their nature.

Here in our village there are at least 10 dogs living free that do belong to someone and even I let my dog out to roam free for say 20 minutes at a time in the park in front of the house (on times there are not many ppl around)

So obviously if your dog is let loose and unattended, it would be the parents fault if it bit a 6 year old child.

Whether the dogs are stray or owned by someone, they should not be allowed to roam freely.

In both instances the dogs should be rounded up in order to keep the streets clean and safe.

I doubt the Thais see it this way, good luck trying to change that.

But yes I would be at fault if my dog attacked someone that is only logical. Unless of course they caused it by attacking it. But the parents are at fault for letting her kid come to the dog with puppies. its normal for those to protect and a 6 year old kid should not be out alone

Some Thais do and many don't. Where a dog is a nuisance or a danger, it's up to others to deal with the problem. I don't see that changing.

Too many stray dogs in Bangkok and rest of Thailand in general. I have more than once been almost attacked by street dogs. I was once chased by a pack of dogs when jogging down the road in a residential area. The dogs retreated when I picked up some rocks and started to throw at them. Unfortunately too many animal lovers here feeding the street dogs and culling would be out of the question.

I think you might find that those were not street dogs, often in residential area's they leave dogs outside to roam free but care for them. Running is a good way to attract dogs, its in their nature.

Here in our village there are at least 10 dogs living free that do belong to someone and even I let my dog out to roam free for say 20 minutes at a time in the park in front of the house (on times there are not many ppl around)

The owners don't usually either care for the dogs or take responsibility for them - until they get killed. I have no problem with a properly cared for dog on the owner's land but I do have strong views on the ones left to roam and cause harm.

Sad.

This is another case to counter the soppy outpourings of the 'poor soi dog brigade'. The vermin should be killed unless they are penned on their owners' land.

you can judge a mans character by the way he treats his fellow animals

I'm very good to my animals. Soi dogs are vermin and we kill vermin. Those creatures are not the same as well cared for and enclosed pet dogs.

Sorry but in this case I don't blame the dogs but the patents. Its natural for any animal to protects its young. Clearly an accident. Quite different from a gang of soi dogs acting aggressive.

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No, the dogs can't be blamed for what the are but kill them all and there will be no more attacks from them.

Read this and see how dangerous any uncared for dog can be. Again, deal with the dogs not people, other than the owners.

Poor kid, seems to be happening a lot more now or else it is being reported more.

What is happening a lot more ? Unattended child touching a mother dog who just gave birth?

Anyone with common sense knows what xen means.

I would have thought anyone with common sense would not leave a 6 year old alone with soi dogs, let alone let her play with a mother dog after giving birth.

I guess I do not have as much common sense as some VERY sensible posters

Read the report again. The incident took place on a construction site. No-one left the child with a nursing dog. Whilst I agree that parents should take care of their children, the children should not be at risk from diseased and aggressive dogs.