Eric Loh
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Suterp has actually done a lot of damage to his former party by splitting up their supporters. Both shared the same voters base. Come election and it will happen sooner or later, there will be those who support Suterp and will probably not vote or vote no and some who is just feed-up with the Dem antics and cross over. This happen in the 2010 election causing a landslide loss to the Dem and will benefit PT and more possibly the fringe parties to gain on the Dem strongholds. As for Suterp, really a dead end for him and he will fade away like Chamlong or Sonthi.
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Expect the Nation to pick their best photo for the UDD and the PDRC. Moving on.....
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Suterp just hang himself with this speech. Worse part is getting royal endorsement for an illegal and non-constitutional act. That can turn LM in a flash. Anyway, he has to be stopped and he just did that himself. Getting too drunk on his own perceived success can made you careless.
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Clever piece of marketing by the UDD. After the mayhem created by them in 2010, this peaceful and short rally really put shame to the PDRC violent and prolong rallies which paralyse many major intersections in Bangkok recently. Suterp must do more by calling their allies Student Network and Issara Buddha to stop their rallies and join him in Lumpini. And also stop the paralysing of government offices and intimidation of public and private businesses. He needs a wholesale marketing overhaul or he will not be seen as peaceful protest by the general public even if their friendly court said so.
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Suterp has only one reform; rest of the reform by others are for aesthetic and to be ignored when he achieved his victory. He only have personal jealousy with the Shin wealth and want to take that away; that's his reform.
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That would made Prayuth mighty angry. Lately he has been rather offensive towards the PDRC and I hope this time he pull Suterp aside and give him a good dressing down.
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Must say, I think he's 100% right as in any country the army man has to see themselves as employees of the government and his comparison to the business structure is exactly true.Prayuth refuses to involve the army in politics
BANGKOK, 4 March 2014 (NNT) - The Army Chief has requested protestors, especially the Peoples Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), to not persuade the army to choose any sides because it may lead to a bigger conflict.
Army Chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha defended himself regarding a comment he made earlier that ousting the current government would be the equivalent of having employees fire the owner of the company. Needless to say, that comment received a lot of criticism and made a number of people enraged.
General Prayuth mentioned that his remarks were only a comparison to an organizations business structure and should be taken as anything more serious. The Army Chief also requested the protestors not to push for the armys involvement in the political conflicts as it could escalate the level of violence.
Meanwhile, Deputy Army Spokesman Colonel Vinthai Suwaree has declared that the Army will provide the best level of protection to everybody and monitor any suspicious activities in the political protests.
-- NNT 2014-04-04
I think the army should come in and clear Lumpini as the dems did in 2010.
I think the army should come in and clear Lumpini as the dems did in 2010.
If you believe that the two situations are comparable, then you have no idea what the current protests are about...!
Don't need the army, they will be gone by Songkran. Suterp will not have the money to pay treble day rate.
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Flamesfan, they probably don't know they given you the domestic rate. Good for you. Stay quiet, their fault.
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I asked the same thing for my small restuarant. There are actually 2 type of rates - domestic and commercial. Obviously the commercial is higher and I think Natway qoute of 2,780B is correct.
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Again, with feeling.
Let me respond to selected quotes that jump out at someone having equal understanding of the UDD/Red shirts/PTP, as that expressed in this spin from the other side of the Political Divide:
>>>"Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another..."
Not the Govt....The electoral majority and their votes selecting this Govt......It is they who are being accosted.....Trying to separate the Govt. as an isolated entity, is advantageous to the Opposition.....Tackling an electoral majority as they are doing would be embarrassing for them.
>>>"As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue..."
Again, the Opposition seeking to normalize the abnormal nature of these instruments being used to advance their coupist intentions.....For that objective, it is important for them to characterize these agencies as normative....Being anti-democratic power-grabbers because they cannot win an election, would be viewed as being against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy...A fact they want to hide....Ostensibly, they would suggest they are not against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy, but fail to indicate that they are only in favor when it favors them....which given their electoral futility, it definitely does not.
>>>"However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders"
In this case, there are not shouted warnings from outsiders, but coup intentioned shouts from an electoral minority...espousing minority rule.
>>>"Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country"
The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.
The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties
>>>"If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope"
More factually stated, that if the electoral majority cling to their voting choices, they will face a coup by an unelectable minority who arrogantly dismiss that majority, and who feel entitled to govern, elections be d......
we have the moral highground (not understood by many TVF posters) but I fear the judiciary will destroy, temporarily, the anti-Ammart grassroots movement
they have already disqualified elections held by Royal Decree because thugs blocked voting - a clear indication that it is "OK" to block a minority of voting and bring down the majority of the Thai people and control them in a vice-like judicial grip
next is bring down the PM for daring to move the nations Security Chief to another post (a common practice that Abhisit also used and EVERY government in the world uses when administrations change)
where to next? I can understand the fury that will follow
'Moral highground' ?You call stealing hundreds of billions of baht and murdering 20 people including children 'moral highground' ? Would hate to know what you consider the low ground to be !!!
Elections do not make people's crimes moral.
next is bring down the PM for daring to move the nations Security Chief to another post (a common practice that Abhisit also used and EVERY government in the world uses when administrations change)
Of course you convenmiently neglect to mention that he was transferred so that Yingluck could install yet another of her relatives nepotistically as police chief so that the Shin clan could strengthen its grip on the corrupt police force to control the country for their own gain. Stop spinning and let's have the whole truth instead of your skewed, distorted, biased bs version of it.
We certainly like to hear your truth. Kindly provide any conviction related billions stole and also the charges of person involved relating to the death of 20 people including children. You can't have imaginary truth or the evidence that you have are from Suterp speeches.
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If you been here long enough, you will realise that there are working and university girls who do part-time prostitution. Not trying to imply anything but just stating a known information.
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Done and dusted as destined by the powerful old elite clique refusing to relinquish their hold and pushing aside the voices of the majority. So another Prime Minister will bit the dust and kept out of politics for 5 years. Gue sera sera. This power display by the judiciary for a consecutive 4 prime ministers (all oppositions) is so obvious and blatant and it will only sooner rather than later that the people will react with anger. They have push them too hard and too far. If it happen, just don't reward Suterp with a neutral prime minister. Let the caretaker government continue, agreed on reform, hold an election (guess who will win again) and implement the reform.
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All Jutaporn is saying is that people mandate should be respected, not trampled and violated. If you believed in democracy, you should cheer for him. Give the UDD the right to elect and they will go home. Simple.
NO he isn't. He IS saying if we can't get our own way legally then we will TAKE it anyway we want.
If YOU believe in democracy then you will know that it is NOT just a vote that makes democracy.
It is also honesty, transparency, accountability, personal responsibility, working for the the benefit of ALL the Thai people and not just the favoured few and ignoring the rest.
It is respect for ALL the laws and rules, court judgements both for and against you, like it or not.
The PTP have taken the vote, claimed the majority and trampled on the rest of the lines that I wrote above.
Sadly they believe that they are above all the people of Thailand and the rules and laws that apply to EVERYBODY don't apply to them.
Why is election not legal? It's Suterp that is acting illegally and want to TAKE it anyway he wants albeit with the help of the judiciary.
The judiciary acted in a way that people cast suspicion and has done that before. They have behaved in a way that showed double standard. If you can't see that than I felt you have not researched hard enough.
I can agree a vote is only part of democracy but a people council is outright non democractic.
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All Jutaporn is saying is that people mandate should be respected, not trampled and violated. If you believed in democracy, you should cheer for him. Give the UDD the right to elect and they will go home. Simple.
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Seem that a simple election will stop all these madness. However we have one side insisting and persisting with undemocratic power grap with help of the judiciary. If you keep ousting a democratically elected government by means of a putsch thrice in just 9 years, you got very angry people whose freedom of choice has been trampled again and again.
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The polarization of the upper house is a reflection of the political division of the country. The partisan judiciary and independent agencies deepen the senators division with their idiosyneratic verdict. The political struggle forces people to take sides and that include the upper house. If we have a fair and just judiciary, independent agencies taking up their responsibilities without any bias and all political parties chosing election campaigning instead of undemocratic means to form the government; there will be less upper house tension and division. Then better non partisan senators can perform their rightful role.
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Why are Bangkokians so upset by the UDD rallying at Aksa Road. Like the PDRC they have every rights to express and gather peacefully. Beside, they will be there only a few days unlike the PDRC who still encamped for last 4 months and counting. Also what wrong with UDD gathering to express more democracy contrasting with the PDRC expressing less democracy.
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I am confused. Thought the Constitutional Court mades ruling on constitutionality of laws that are deemed compromised. Is holding an election breaking any law? Especially when it is royally endorsed. Is CC guilty of LM? Ah, the intricacy of skewed politics.
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Don't really need the UDD to rally to show their strength. The PDRC is fading rapidly and yesterday massive traffic jam due to bridge blockage have upset more of their supporters. The senate do not have the numbers to impeach and the military is staying neutral. By Songkran, most will leave Lumpini Park and not come back. Final days for Suterp.
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Just love it when said on 1st April.
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After Saturday's mega flop, he's still dreaming of a glorious victory? Reminiscent of the Battle of the Bulge, 1944
What an analogy - Suthep commanding the 101st Airborne, surrounded by those desperate Nazi storm trooper red shirt fanatics under the command of Obersturmbanfuhrer Jautupon. The red leader is hiding away in the wolf's lair buker deep in Dubai while is troops prepare for the ultimate sacrifice,
Wonder who will play Patton coming to the rescue?
Interesting that only you and the other PTP adorers see Saturday as a flop. Seemed more like a large number of people yet again showing their disapproval at the Yingluck regime and its efforts to cling on to power as instructed from the bunker.
It is a flop when the walk around did not achieve the desired results. There was no Million as Dear Leader boast. The day ended like any other day which is Nothing. Life resumed after the Sunday walk around. The caretaker government is still there and Yinglck has not resigned. There was no instigated violence and military stayed away I will call that a misery flop.
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The sun must have got to his head. He forgot that he said the same thing months ago. My advise is that he put on a cap or sun screen or his brain will scrambled. He even got the numbers wrong on Saturday from 1 M in the morning to 30k most in the evening.
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Bangkok Pundit see this right and it is nothing but a conspiracy to nail Yingluck.http://asiancorrespondent.com/121140/veera-yingluck-and-the-nacc/
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7 should be the reform of the military. Anyway the 6 reforms are something Thais talk about for ages including the time when the Dem was the government twice over. Let's see some details as they are so general.
The Democrats have put forward 7 areas of reform, some before, some for after the next election.has anyone seen a list of the 'reforms' required before elections are 'allowed' ? I mean other than YL leaving the country.
1. Tougher anti corruption measures.
2. Reform of the justice system, greater equality under the law.
3. Narrow the income gap, introduction of a property or land tax
4. Reform and update the educational system
5.Decentralisation.
6. Reform of the police force.
I'm sorry, I can't remember number 7.
Very sensible, the 7 reforms mentioned how many of these important reforms did Yingluck take on board ????? 3 years and nothing.
Had they concentrated the time on improving things here such as these the country would not be in turmoil.
Problem area most of the PTP time was spent on the amnesty bill to get Thaksin off the hook, with the PMs overseas visits to prevent her from question time/debate on TV and taking care of the rice problem. When you look at the timespan of the government, most things that were created by them have fallen foul.
Please if you answer lets talk about what they could have done if they had the time again, NOT come back with the SU/DEM/YELLOW/ Elections and running a democratic government are two separate items.
So we have a democratically elected government but after being sworn in did NOT run it as promised. IT FAILED. it has to be removed, not given another chance at the ballot box.
I do agree with you on some.
Government flawed in concentrating on amnesty and constitution changes - agree
Land reform was in government program. Higher tax for agri land not use. Dem knows that land reform is a bureaucratic mess and long process. Their Sor Kor Por plan was wired in tedious bureaucratic intricacies.
Same as education, income equality (rice scheme was exactly that), justice system overhaul was high on the agenda, decentralization was discussed and corruption is an on going process.
Not trying to defend the government but all these reforms take a long time and need a government to enact the right laws. It mades Suterp idea of reform within a year or so really unrealistic.
Suthep displays ideas of supreme sovereignty
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Wrong. the UDD 2010 protest was to ask the government who was formed by means of judiciary coups to hold an election. Suterp is just the opposite. No election but his personal appointment of the PM. See the difference??