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This internal killing and many others in the park can spiral out of control and develop into a full scale triad gang war. Every one of the guards have their gang affiliation, family ties or friends and would take revenge. We may see the break up of the PDRC for the less unlikely circumstances. I beginning to see the green of Lumpini sooner than later.
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Condolence to the family. Putting firearms to the hands of untrained personnel from different background and provinces and possibly gang affiliation is just a recipe for disaster. These guards are drawn from unsavory background and would not hesitate to draw their guns in dispute or when drunk. If Suterp can't control these guards, we can expect more internal fighting, not politics that could run out of control.
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There are just too many political parties in Thailand. Compare with Indonesia which has more than 40 parties some 20+ years ago but only have about a dozen now. Smaller parties join up to have better resources and attract better members. Or Malaysia where smaller parties join a more dominant national party like the Barision National and present the same platform in an election. Here in Thailand, the parties are framented and could not attract better quality politicians as they are small in name and resources and become prey to dominant parties.
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Because they expect to lose - again.The "final battle" or just another judicial coup? Why are they so frightened of elections?
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The real question is why is the PTP so afraid of reform before the election.
You like most people who know nothing about what is going on think the anti government protestors don't want an election.
You are partially correct. They do not want an election that rubber stamps corruption.
They want an election for an honest government. To get this there are certain penalties to be imposed and certain laws to be clarified so when one law says this is illegal there is not another one saying it is legal. To get this there are changes that must be made.
Explain to me if you can. Why does the PTP not want this?
Short answers as this old subject:-
1. Suterp is wrong man to lead reform. He is corrupted to the core and is trying to settle score
2. What reform plan? Only sketchy headlines. He is interested only in snatching power with reform as the facade
3. There is no constitutional law to support him to form a interim government.
4. Government invited Dem for a reform committee in Sept and was declined and opt for street protest. All per-plan with Suterp.
Assume the Dem win next election, would you change your statement that election stamp corruption? Get my point?
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The court and the NACC have already made their decision. The decision was made weeks ago. Everybody knows.Time to shut up and let the courts make what ever decisions they are going to make.
The caretaker government and their supporters are doing such a good job of shooting themselves in the foot- his noise is only distracting from that.
Whatever the interim government is doing has nothing to do with the decision to remove Yingluck and the existing gtovernment. The decision was made weeks ago. This charade is just 2008 al over again. Everybody knows.
I don't know why they insist on dragging it out. It's like a TV game show where the announcer tries to increase the suspense by saying, "And the winner is... [long pause] and the winner is ...[another long pause] and the winner is... [and by this time I've turned to another channel]. Maybe they think this is going to persuade some people they are really struggling with profound questions of law and justice. Everybody knows.
The interesting question to me is which of the factions behind him thinks something has happened so that they will benefit from provoking bloodshed.
They need to get on with it. The elephant in the room will not wait forever.
If the courts can made a conviction for a trivial cooking show, what chance has Yingluck got. This time things may not go that easy as in 2008. Glaring injustice twice will not be seen kindly by many including academics.
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Will Ahbisit bring along Suterp or have him on Skype. He can't made any decision without him.
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NACC what you waiting for? Charge Somchai for dereliction of duty and malfeasance. Forgotten, they are the untouchable.
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He got to made this 'final' announcement every time he see the crowd decline. Got to give some hope and reason for hanging around. He knows his days are slowly coming to an end and he will fade out as a loser. Impeachment will not happen if there is no upper house and the Thawil is a weak case as its the perogative of the PM to appoint.
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So the army and the courts are protecting the protestors and who to protect the general public. The rally sites are overrun with armed insurgents trigger happy to take pot shots at the public. What's holding Prayuth to do what he did in 2010. It's already 6 months of insurgency.
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Bloody hell you go on with some bullshit at times - this latest nonsense is probably the best so far.Just imagine the progress that could have been made if the jealous & spiteful elite hadn't turned on the best PM Thailand has ever had. Instead we have had 8 years of hatred & mayhem, with no end in sight. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Thaksin, or any other leader that had tried to prise the power away from the traditional power base, they would have ended up receiving the same fate.
Rich Teacher I agree with you 100%
Just imagine the progress that could have been made if the jealous & spiteful Taskinites hadn't turned on the best PM Thailand has ever had. 1 that had a good education and kept Thailand out of the world recciesion, Instead we have had 8 years of hatred & mayhem, with no end in sight putting some non trained puppet in control
I hope you not mind me fixing the few mistakes you made
Your best PM Thailand ever should have no problem winning an election. Are you talking about the one that sneak in by the military back door and became the PM without the mandate of the majority?
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The last sentence meant to be a question? If so the answer is No! Proxy yingluck and the crew are "solely" responsible as facts are revealed over time.Maybe when those responsible are in jail or more likely in Dubai
Would it be more politically correct to say that she should not resign and continue to be the caretaker PM until the next election in order to maintain law and order. Illegal anarchist like Suterp should never be rewarded by breaking the law. It's the PDRC that is ruining the economy and creatifng political chaos?Of course she should resign but she wont.She and her brother and the corrupt incompetent brigade behind her want to cling on to some sort of "power",as the country descends into economic and political failure.We will have to wait for the courts and/or senate to pull her away by her varnished finger nails
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Fact is that Thailand was never in any economic problems even if you include the rice scheme. There is no lower credit ratings and our debt to GDP is in good shape. Our foreign reserve was healthy and we have a very good service industry. All that change after the last quarter '13 when GDP dipped to 0.6%, sharp decline in domestic consumption and a massive reduction in government spending. Oh, our service industry like tourism took a big hit too. That coincide with the start of the PDRC protest. Economy will continue to take a toll as long as these anarchists are trying to snatch power illegally.
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Of course she should resign but she wont.She and her brother and the corrupt incompetent brigade behind her want to cling on to some sort of "power",as the country descends into economic and political failure.We will have to wait for the courts and/or senate to pull her away by her varnished finger nails
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Would it be more politically correct to say that she should not resign and continue to be the caretaker PM until the next election in order to maintain law and order. Illegal anarchist like Suterp should never be rewarded by breaking the law. It's the PDRC that is ruining the economy and creatifng political chaos?
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Shocking comment by some not showing an iota of empathy. Perhaps they are Russian trying to protect their own. Whether who is in the wrong, the right way is to stop and help. Both flee the scene!!! Is there anymore to say??
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So much talk of government corruption but yet no one in the government has been convicted of corruption. Rice scheme charge is about dereliction of duties, infrastructure and water projects have not even started. Someone please point out a corruption conviction, someone from the government that is actually charged and convicted.
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So, just checking to see if I have it right .... ...
Anybody can lay siege to polling places for a legitimate election thereby stopping people from voting: the police do nothing and the courts say .."Oh wait, that wasn't a real election 'cos some polling booths were closed off !
The Democrats say .. I'm taking my bat n ball and not playing'
A madman decides he doesn't want elections and he should have sovereign power.
The courts think .. 'Hmmm yep ..that sounds about right.'
What a joke.
This is not a joke.
This is exactly how Thailand needs to do to get rid of the evil Thaksin, and his whole family, clan, friends, etc.
And who would you think will get rid of the evil Suterp, conniving Ahbisit and the scheming Amarts after they get rid of the evil Taksin and his family. This no solution but a continuation of the division. Dem must reform to challenge PT in an election. Suterp must push for dialogue for reform and made reform a decree with royal endorsement and agreed by all parties. Courts must stop their double standard and PT must listen to all the stakeholders.
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Wonder how/where Suterp will spend his Songkran. Should be with his supporters in Lumpini, fishing perhaps.
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The judiciary's power will also enter a vacuum if a major political camp dismisses its power citing discrimination and biased rulings.
A stand has to be made.
A nation cannot exist if the courts continually throw out elected governments on trumped up charges.
The courts are not the last bastion of hope, they are the last remaining stronghold of the anti-democrats.
It is in the courts that the reforms this country so desperately need must begin and the reform process begins with PTP not accepting anymore biased rulings against them.
Those concerned about a power vacuum should be out campaigning for new elections to be held ASAP
The courts administer the law they do not make the law. Their interpretation of the words that are written which are the law (to express the intention of parliament which makes the law) may not always match the intention. That is the failure of the people codifying the law and parliament can then amend the law to bring it more into line with the intention. In this way the courts can 'tone down' laws and delay for a short time, stupid laws from having full force.
Thai language is really not terribly well suited to clarity, or so it seems to me. Thais never get straight to the point, they take every twist and turn to hide their real intention. This is the way the Thai language has evolved and often Thais misunderstand each other because the meanings of words can be wide.
When this weaves itself into law it leaves wide interpretation. Thais use this regularly to promote their agendas whether it be interpretation of work permits, the building code or whatever. Of course this is a great benefit to the corrupt.
Add to that the fact that some in the judiciary are open to corruption as well, and the result is not a very effective justice system, even less so with the corruption that is the police force. Corruption is everywhere through everything so is it surprising that this impasse that has arisen?
So many people belong impeached by the NACC, so it seems to be doing at least part of its job because can any one here think the people involved are all squeaky clean. The NACC probably has a lot more work to do yet - on both sides of this political maelstrom.
A court is only as good as the quality of its judges.
The way these guys got their jobs is the root of the problem with the courts.
Fix the constitution, return the senate to the people and we are back on the path to a decent and respectable judiciary.
remind me.
How did Yingluck get her job?
Elected while court judges are appointed by their own inner circle.
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The comments here are so funny - like this is a case about the constitution or justice or wrongdoing. Hey people, this is all about power politics and Thai backroom games. The yellows - or BKK elite or PDRC or Suthep's Crew or whatever we want to call them under the current iteration - control the EC, courts, NACC and military. The reds - or Thaksin's Boys or upcountry folk or serfs - have the numbers. Both fight over the media and public space. The yellows - and let's stick to colors for simplicity - have to decide how much of their power they can use without really upsetting the masses. Can they throw her out? Of course, whether she broke the law or not - that is not the question. What will result? Well that is the question, as it appears the protests / Bangkok mob haven't worked, and the military is unwilling to make a move and take the blame. So a judicial coup or whatever you want to call this process is going to happen. But you all can go back to arguing about the law, like that matters, and demonstrate your naivete.
Last time I checked the Yellows were a dead issue. they removed them selves from the political scene in their failed attempt to get Abhist to go to war with Cambodia. In fact their leader is in a Cambodian jail.
My big question is why do the red shirts continually try to blame it on a defunct section of the population when the truth is it is the grass roots people in the population who have brought the situation to the attention of the whole world and refuse to cover it up to make the PTP and their red shirts hired goons happy?
I do have one answer but I can not verify it.. Let the ear medicine flow. Not
As I mentioned, the bottles change, the wine stays the same. Yellows, PDRC, PAD, whatever. They are the same, fronted by one face or another. Same on the other side, they are just more consistent in terms of sticking with their color. Hired goons? Both have those, just try walking through Lumpini in a red jumper and you can prove that.
Wrong again but you can be excused you are obviously a red shirt. They are a group of grass roots people made up of many different groups. Yes the remnants of the Yellow shirts have seen the light but they are just a small part of it. Their is more white faces than them. But you have to bring a negative value into your post. So you get in your time machine and go back into history to find a group that will do that for you. Wake up this is 2014 not 2010m or 2011.
I can understand you being a red shirt why it would go over your head that the people are tired of the corrupt nepotistic government and want a government that cares for the nation. Not one that cares only for one man.
No small part as far as I see. Half of the PDRC leaders are ex-PAD. Name you some - Nitthithorn Lamleua, Uthai Yodmanee, Pipol Thongchai, Somkiat Pongpaiboon, Somsak Kosaisuuk. And remember most of the ex-Dem MPs were on the stage of the PAD.
I don't like corruption too and not particularly RED and Taksin fan but I dislike more when corrupted people try to pretend they are more righteous and try to snatch power without an election. I still believe that my vote counts.
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When the same judiciary modus operandi is being used again, people wake up to this form of corruption. Not only politics have been subvert by greying these branch of power; governace of the country is also impeded by continous court decisions like the infrastructure and water projects. The first reform must be directed at the judiciary as we need impartial courts. However we don't hear that from Suterp.
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This monk has an affinity for cash.
I wonder what Buddha would think of him?
Your just as bad as the newspaper, and if he knew who you really are, and not just a coward that hides behind a keyboard
He could Sue you as well for this comment
Please show me proof that he wanted this money for himself
Why he can not want the monies to help the priesthood
everyday people donate money to Monks, and this money goes to the temples and priesthood
so are they all have an affinity to Cash
On this subject you will get no argument from me, but I keep my thoughts to my self
You have insulted every Thai who loves the Monkhood with your posting
I hope you will now be a real man and apoligise to Thais for you comment made before thinking them through
This is the monk who recently extorted B120,000 from a hotel isn't it?
Your ability to commit libel is outstanding
extorted I hope you can prove that
Other may say it was compenstation
So I guess in your mind, billions of baht every year are extorted from Thais to give to the temples
Please show us the facts that this money was kept by him for his own financial gain?
an apoligy to the Thai people would be nice !!!!!
Compensation is to recompense suitably. He book 10 rooms but asked for 120,000B. Certainly no suitabilty and there was threat (extortion) when you have a big group of people at your hotel lobby. Similar to PDRC leader Witthaya and his group harassing M-link, owned by niece of Taksin to sell their mobile phone at 10,000 when the standard is 15,000B. No choice but have to give in to such threat. Witthaya then said he will come back to buy 1,000 sets and if not given the same discounted price, he will file case with the police. Clear cut threats. Conclusion both are extortion cases.
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The suburb with large houses (not condo living) and greens with low traffic volume. Mmmmm Ram Intra.
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I understand his remarks in a different way:
It's very clear what Suthep meant by his well thought out remarks.I don't know exactly what Suthep meant by his apparently ill-considered remarks and I don't suppose many other people do either. But the caretaker government's response seems to be an overreaction. Article 113 of the Penal Code that they are asking their DSI poodles to investigate only deals with violence or threats of violence used to overthrow the government or constitution. Suthep didn't actually mention anything about violence in his ramblings. That has so far been the sole prerogative of government ministers and their red shirts who are threatening to form an armed volunteer force.
The government failed to react to separatist threats by their paid red shirt lackeys and announcements by government ministers of the formation of an armed terrorist group. Now they are up in arms about some incomprehensible nonsense spouted by Suthep on the stage. Yingluck is even trying to involve the Army Chief, while her moronic cousin, 'Dr' Suraphong, is trying to get the US ambassadress to take her break from her adoring devotion to Thai people and culture to dial in an air strike on the monitor lizards of Lumpini Park. Double standards?
The courts throw out Yingluck and he takes over to do whatever he pleases, whenever he pleases to whomever he pleases.
Its exactly what unelected tyrants do, so no real surprises here. The only ones that are shocked are the idiots who bought into Sutheps lies about fighting corruption and "restoring" democracy.
It seems the supposedly dimwitted red shirts supporters are far more clever than the Suthep loving farangs when it comes to picking lying cheating dictators in the making.
When the courts rightfully decide that Yingluck has to be removed from office
and Yingluck and the PTP ignore the law and just stay in office - which can be expected
In this case the law has to be enfortced
which is the job of police
If they do not do that - which is what can be expected
the people have to do that - and he will help.
If the constitutional judges don't subvert the judiciary system, she will be acquitted. If they do convict, she will exit. There are capable deputy to step in. The real coup will be that the judges completely tear the law to shred and rule the whole cabinet out and creat a power vacuum. Who knows then. They should be wise enough not to do that.
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How will the EC set a new election date without a new royal decree? They talk about elections within so many days of a royal decree but there seems no way of issuing one.
Dont need a new royal decree if held within legal timeframe. Previous royal decree suffice. Beyond that time frame, it's a problem.
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Careful where you cuff him
Democrat leader Abhisit looks forward to political vacuum
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Highly over rated and a total failure during his tenure which came in via the back door of democracy. A full time politician who has not work in his whole adult life carries all the handicaps required to run the economy. A top notch education and a gifted orator don't equates to a good administrator of the government if you are weak and beholdened. Though still time for him to reinvent himself and be a top civil servant.