Eric Loh

` Enough time Parrot. I win!!!

Your quest was in vain as I knew it would be. I hereby deem that Thaksin was a detrimental force in creating Thailand's woes for well over a decade and that you have failed miserably to produce any evidence to the contrary.

Seems as though you are a 'dead parrot' - in the scheme of things that is as you appear to have stuttered your last stutter, at least regards this particular topic.

Seem you set the rules, play the game and declared yourself the winner. Priceless. Much the same as the coup leader.

trogers post # 5

Like they say, "I am my father's son". Cheating and lying is in the blood. Recall his exams in the university?

Like they say, "I am my father's son". Cheating and lying is in the blood. Recall his exams in the university?

It is a wise man who knows his own father and indeed Oak does know his own father that part of the comment is correct . However certain other parts of the comment are open to doubt.

Wherein?

Psst, don't tell, but rumour has it his father likes female company

Rubi, the quality of your posting seem to be slipping rapidly.

Must be desperate time for the junta PR to use a comment by a fugitive. I guess anything and everything to throw a bad light on the Shins.

Must be using the same sampling group to ensure consistency.

Most intenational media reported this as political persecution. Only happen after a coup with a kangaroo court. They even gagged her from having a news briefing. Surely now the junta have the balls to call for an early election or do they have any.

you have to love the ptp/red thinking, impeach her and we will start shooting and bombing Thailand again, screw the country, give us what we want. The guilt factor and what the ptp did while in govt doesnt even come into it, the reds have no concern with what is best for the country just their pockets.

Just learning from Sutherp. Remember that he called for thousands of Southern supporters to march into Bangkok if he was impeached for the Phuket land scam? Sure you remember that.

Lessons about the bane of expensive populist policies would not be learnt by citizens who do not pay income taxes. They gained from the pain of others, and would continue welcoming such gains.

The reasons why these income tax payers still have a job is because those non paying workers are toiling in their factories with low wages. The non paying farmers are buying their goods and paying the revenue taxes that are used to fund the public offices that service these tax payers companies. Get off your high horse mate.

You forgot to mention the local elite which keeps the masses satisfied with crumbs.

You don't noticed that the local elites were not part of the PDRC? It was the Bangkok elites like Chitpas and fellow like minded PDRC who spoke demeaning remarks about being uneducated and non tax payers.

Surely any democracy even bad can't be worst than this kind of intimidation from someone you can't removed, impeached and granted an amnesty.

Lessons about the bane of expensive populist policies would not be learnt by citizens who do not pay income taxes. They gained from the pain of others, and would continue welcoming such gains.

The reasons why these income tax payers still have a job is because those non paying workers are toiling in their factories with low wages. The non paying farmers are buying their goods and paying the revenue taxes that are used to fund the public offices that service these tax payers companies. Get off your high horse mate.

No problem with agreeing that corrupt politicians should be impeached or jailed BUT please demonstrate that fairly. Begs the question " who's watching the watchdog" especially the current setup.

So you agree Eric, that Thaksin should be extradited to serve his jail sentence and face the 15 other more serious outstanding court charges?

Ask yourself if there was due process, operate within the law (legality) and fair procedure was provided, then you have my answer. In the context of Thailand, I would also throw in equal dispensation of the law to all.

No problem with agreeing that corrupt politicians should be impeached or jailed BUT please demonstrate that fairly. Begs the question " who's watching the watchdog" especially the current setup.

From what I hear from the Thais I socialize with, they fully expect a jail term handed out. Anyone else hear that rumour?

You mean like a hostage situation in return for Thaksin exiting politics? Possible. Show how insecured the elites are of Thaksin.

I think the junta will do so at their peril. At that point, the gloves will come off and I expect every bit of dirtry laundry that the junta and their backers to start being washed in public world wide. And then watch the fun start.

They wont be able to issue defamation and lese majeste suits quick enough

You guys are really hyping yourself up on this, aren't you ?

Mind you, with all untruths told by the accused parties, the ignorance displayed and the lack of answers a jail term to offset the 700 billion Baht loss seems reasonable. To early to say and of course 'elite' seldom go to jail.

Yingluck will not go to jail because there are no evidence for the OAG to prosecute. NACC jumped the gun to say OAG has agreed. The rebuttal came fast and swift from the OAG that their stand of not sufficient evdence remains the same

From what I hear from the Thais I socialize with, they fully expect a jail term handed out. Anyone else hear that rumour?

You mean like a hostage situation in return for Thaksin exiting politics? Possible. Show how insecured the elites are of Thaksin.

Uncle Rubi, hope it's of your fast fading eyesight or perhaps just pure unbridled prejudice that you don't see the NACC selective targeting choosing to ignore the 2010 killings. Deaths not as important as order from their masters to go after a subsidy scheme. I suppose you are educated to understand that there are no such thing as a good coup. And this is not an insult too just disagreement with you.

Eric, I know this is a bit complicated for you, but why would the ANTI-CORRUPTION commission be investigating the 2010 insurgency? hint, the answer is in the name.

Not at all complicated Halloween. Malfeasance case against CRES for the 2010 killings. Get off your lazy chair and do your own search. Try "NACC delay CRES probe".

This well planned and staged events by the elites of Bangkok to force the Shinawatras and allies out of power and out if the country and eradicate any vestigial remnants has been on tracked. They can control every aspect of the plan with their own people in the independent agencies and with the junta as the government. But can they win an election with their own chosen party? The division and discern for the elites bullying tactics just got wider and the people will respond come next election.

I am at a loss to understand how the ' Bangkock Elite' managed to implement the rice pledging scheme and force it to lose all the money.

How they managed to arrange the fake G 2 G deals where the rice was sold to unauthorised Chinese companies, never exported but sold to Thai companies.

I don't understand how they managed to get the rice in storage to deteriorate so quickly or how they arranged for large quantities to disappear.

Nor did I realize that it was them who were in charge of the reds when they were bullying, threatening and intimidating anyone who stood in their way.

I can understand someone who has been constantly been bombarded by the hate and lies spewed forth from a village sound system or children at a red school failing to understand for they have few other sources of information.

However I can not understand how someone who is supposedly educated enough to use a computer and can look for themselves and see what has been going on with the rice pledging and other schemes can constantly defend the corruption that is so obviously involved.

So the PT government force the loss to get themself into this current predicament. Are you prophet who can foresee how the rice price trend?

I am talking about double standard by the NACC. If PT was to be taken to task by the NACC because of a failed policy not help by weak commodity price, Ahbisit and Sutherp should also be taken to task for authorizing the use of guns and live ammo. This whole NACC charade is not about fighting for corruption but is about an order by the elites who has a mandate to rid the Shins and allies.

And please cut out the insults which really reflect badly on your own education and moral upbringing. We dont need that to present your argument.

So, the Pheu Thai put themselves in the current position by starting the RPPS as 'self-financing' scheme instead of a mere 100 billion Baht subsidy budgeted as loss in the National Budget. Whether that was because they wanted to keep the deficit artificially down, keep the scheme out of parliamentary supervision, or whatever doesn't matter. They did as allegedly told by the great thinker, defended the undefendeble, told some little white lies and caused this enormous loss.

Now they're asked to show responsibility and accountability.

The 'but, but Abhisit, Suthep' is the usual distraction for those caught in a corner.

PS what insults? The cheek of disagreeing with you?

Uncle Rubi, hope it's of your fast fading eyesight or perhaps just pure unbridled prejudice that you don't see the NACC selective targeting choosing to ignore the 2010 killings. Deaths not as important as order from their masters to go after a subsidy scheme. I suppose you are educated to understand that there are no such thing as a good coup. And this is not an insult too just disagreement with you.

I see all the ptp apologists are trying their hardest to put their spin on this. We all know that the only way the ptp/reds can get what they want is to spread lies and innuendo and some of those in here cant help themselves, shows how pathetic some people are when they have to satisfy their other halfs demands on their political views and those of their families or face being told to leave. The only press releases overseas are overseen by thaksin aligned reporters, anyone believing the crap they write or promote would have to be totally gullible, cant help some people. What all this boils down to is that the ptp/red/thaksin supporters cannot handle the fact the truth is emerging after having it covered up for so many years and are trying to put bullsh*t up to try to confuse the public, after years of thaksins lackies running the show they dont want to give anything up.

You could take just about everything you said in regards to the Reds/PTP and equally apply it to the Yellows/Dems/PDRC.

Talk about covering up the "truth". Let's try Suthep's palm oil dealings, and his land give away to his buddies. Let's talk about the Dem's own rice scheme which failed miserably. Trust me, there is an entire litany of things they have buried, covered up, and just flat out got away with, yet no one has ever been held accountable for any of them. I'm not pro-red or pro-Thaksin by a long shot, but neither am I color blind by either side and try to look at the whole picture. Perhaps you should try that some time and find out that your "hero's" aren't as lily white as you seem to think they are.

Like you, I am totally disgusted with the the highly skewed double standard and like you, I am no Thaksin or PT sympathizer. Suthep has a long laundry list of corruption and even impeachment case over the Phuket land corruption case. Ahbisit borrowed heavily to finance various populist policies raising the debt to GDP ratio to unprecedented level. And the disgusting Saejae untouchables are the epitome of corruption longer than any political parties or personalities. Seem the only people on trials are those who are popularly elected and have huge support from the poor. Not hard to see the irony and the blind followers inability to comprehend that it is those elites pulling the strings to rid all their opponents to maintain their power and wealth.

Just don't stand a chance for good world opinion to have a trial under a junta regime with appointed NLA and the NACC stuffed with anti Thaksin officers. Most will call this a kangaroo court.

"What they did was disrespectful to the NLA and an insult to the public. The people were deprived the chance of learning about the scheme since Yingluck refused to honestly answer questions in the assembly," he said. Agreed, it's an insult to the Thai people her not even bothering to turn up for questioning.

She, like all her clan, couldn't give a monkey's toss for the Thai people. They are simply a resource to be exploited for Shin benefit.

Her closing statement will probably repeat what the other puppets said, be tinged with copious comments of "I innocent, I help poor farmers, I policy owner not manager"; and the usual not too subtle threats of how her supporters will react should any verdict or comments not be to her liking.

The actress will have a new script. There will be no admission of anything being wrong, her previous lies, the dire consequences for many of her lies, or any fault, responsibility or accountability whatsoever. Far too arrogant, grandiose and thick skinned for that.

The Thaksin PR/Legal spin doctors have no real defense, so can't really provide factual information. So polished lying is the only alternative.

Usual hyperbole so early in the morning. We at a stage whereby the song and dance from all sides are not important now. The stage has been set for a verdict on Friday. Whatever the verdict outcome, it will not help with the reconciliation. One side will be aggrieved. She is dispensable and doubt she will come back to politics if impeached or not. Criminal charges by Supreme Court will be a different cup of tea and will not be pleasant. This one big banana skin for Prayuth and his bring back happiness effort. His efforts are sinking fast like a quicksand unless he has other intention on his mind and that will be very very unpleasant. All said, the coup will be a disaster like 2006.

It's interesting to see that public opinion is very much with Yingluck in this NACC relentless pursuit. Most articles in the mass media related to this case that invite public opinion seem to take side with Yingluck. As Professor Somchai deputy rector of the Chiangmai University opined that if the NLA was to act on their conscience, they will ruled against the charge to impeach her. I agree.

Eric, we all know you think the sun shines out her arse and that she's totally innocent of doing any wrong ever.

All the public opinion I've heard from Thai friends, colleagues including many who voted for PTP is that she's been as negligent as possible, Simply didn't do anything other than what her criminal brother instructed from his fugitive havens,

Chaingmai University - isn't she an alumni of that place? A former class president, student leader of some sort? Still he's playing safe as her family's private militia are centered there and not known for the tolerance of free speech and speaking against their masters.

Do you really think she is so dumb that she had no ideas of what was really going on? Or did she simply chose to ignore it, along with all the oaths she swore when taking office - and ignored too?

Eric (and others) are of the opinion that public opinion is with Yingluck. You (and others) believe that public opinion is against her. The irony is of course that the true test of public opinion, the general election which she called in accordance with the constitution was ultimately prevented by the coup which installed the Junta !

The only publicly available guide we seem to have are various Junta initiated surveys, whose claims of support in the 90% area only the most devoted fans of military government would come close to believing. Let us not even bother with the surveys of "community leaders" to ascertain their level of happiness. I doubt even the Junta believe them!

Public opinion remains effectively suppressed, along with freedom of expression and assembly, so there is little point debating it until it can be tested in a free and fair election. Therefore it is unlikely to be an acknowledged feature of Thai politics for quite a long time!

Yes election will be the penultimate way to gauge public opinion. With an election still without a firm date and poll by highly suspicious military initiated survey, the like and dislike vote from the general public albeit simple does seem to be a reliable barometer to gauge public sentiment. Take for instance the news about the u-tube defence in a major English newspaper has 33% more agreeing. I seen many related articles and most have the same statistic. Let's not even bother about world opinion. Win or lose, this case reflect very poorly on Thailand.

It's interesting to see that public opinion is very much with Yingluck in this NACC relentless pursuit. Most articles in the mass media related to this case that invite public opinion seem to take side with Yingluck. As Professor Somchai deputy rector of the Chiangmai University opined that if the NLA was to act on their conscience, they will ruled against the charge to impeach her. I agree.

I won't ask for a poll on this as you wouldn't accept the results anyway.

If the NLA is acting on it's conscience they would impeach Ms. Yingluck. She is still avoiding questions, gives answers unrelated to questions asked and is intend on dodging responsibility.

I would prefer they stick to provable facts versus their conscience.

In a normal circumstance and a fair trial, I would prefer the ruling is based on provable facts than conscience. But this ain't normal circumstance and anywhere in the world would look at any post coup trials with lots of suspicion and not worthy of any credibility. I hope that the NLA will vote wisely and not made this trial a mockery for the free world.

It's interesting to see that public opinion is very much with Yingluck in this NACC relentless pursuit. Most articles in the mass media related to this case that invite public opinion seem to take side with Yingluck. As Professor Somchai deputy rector of the Chiangmai University opined that if the NLA was to act on their conscience, they will ruled against the charge to impeach her. I agree.

See the nation is really showing it's allegiance to the yellow dem junta coalition .

No need for attitude adjustment with them it's always been there and they just keep churning out bias articles which sends the yellow dems into a zombie like feeding frenzy.

Won't help at election time though!

if you think their will be an election your more naive than brainwashed Issan

Or at least this time they have thankfully learnt from 2006 and I hope and believe they wont maker same mistake and this time once and for all put total paid to Taksin his vile clan and rest of them

And dont give me that democracy claptrap BS. Hitler was elected as was saddam and rest. Thailand is simply not ready for democracy and wont be until uneducated majority actually understand what it means and cant be bought y 500 baht or head of villages say so or vile red shirt thug intimidation

Well done Suphet for at last putting with help vile would be dictator in his place.

And dont for i minute think the people will rise up. They wont since vast majority are total cowards

Their will probably be some form of bloodbath but then as before it will all settle down as normal

Who is Suphet?