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6 minutes ago, david555 said:

Oh my Oh my ….!, that Scottish judge shall not like to be lied to …., his next Monday judgment in mind ….????

I hope the Judge suspends the hearing and demands Boris attends in person.

Looks like there is only one thing Parliament can do is instruct the Government to Revoke Article 50 if we are going to drop out of the EU without a deal ratified by Parliament. 

1 minute ago, elliss said:

 

 letter not signed , not valid . 

Return to sender..

 

 

 

 

So from a legal argument, he has not sent a letter.  

12 minutes ago, david555 said:

As E.U. one I found his deal the best (for us E.U. to get at last....) but not his kind of "fair play ….." do they teach those " special fair play rules" in Eaton ..??

There were a number of quotes yesterday from Tories saying it was worse than May's deal (for us Brits), just can not understand the EU not wanting to renegotiate again.

20 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

will lawmakers be happy spoiling the weekend?

 

what do they bookies say?

UK in EU or not on 1st Nov?

 

 

just a quick look 2/3... the bookies may be right but certainly not a certainty.

But more interestingly:

"Boris Johnson to lead the Conservatives at next General election" 1/14

"Boris Johnson to be the shortest serving PM ever (under 119 days)" 5/6 

On 10/17/2019 at 11:50 PM, saengd said:

Interesting that BoJo and Claude are now in synch and best chums, Claude says no extension will be possible if the current deal is voted down, it's the current deal or no-deal, which would you rather have.....paging Mr Hobson.

An extension request is inevitable what ever happens.

It will be reluctantly granted as long as it is for a purpose of tidying up loose ends or a binding referendum,

Boris will have to write that letter unless he resigns with immediate effect, do not think that has ever happened before, going to the Queen and saying I resign and naming a person for her to call, just who would that be? Javid? Raab? Patel? Gove?

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

If the vote of no confidence is passed, it's emcumbent on the leader of the opposition to form an interim government. If he fails, others can have a crack at it, which is where the current sticking point arises. The Lib Dems are currently refusing to accept Corbyn as interim leader and have put forward a variety of alternatives, some sensible like the Father of the House, Ken Clarke. Others like Layla Moran even advocated Anna Soubury. I see the Lib Dems as the biggest stumbling block to getting rid of Johnson.

 

"Just what Britain needs, a Socialist Worker Party hard left commie pandering to the Scottish National Socialists and IRA terrorists to get power. What could go wrong?"

 

Well I suppose quite a bit could go wrong if even the tiniest bit of your fantastical rhetoric were true. Luckily it's pure fiction.

 

 

In reality the real stumbling block is JC and his bloody mindedness to be PM, any decent leader would have stood down in favour of someone more acceptable to those out outside the Labour party, and it is not just the LIbDems who see the danger of a JC lead government.

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

The bit you made up about fear.

I have yet to meet a brexiter who doesn't believe they'd win by a much bigger landslide if such folly was ever seriously entertained ????

 

Here's the latest from Farage...

 

Let's go back to my original statement...

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Brexiteers are scared stiff of any chance of a second referendum that would overturn the first, their logic is flawed ans corrupt.

Wheres the fear in that? the only people that scares is those who do not believe in the democratic right to change ones mind.

I see more fear in your post featuring an image of Pratman

Today the day of arm twisting...

Tomorrow the the day of reckoning...

Well we will know just how desperate Johnson is by the amount of arm twisting, and he does not have the option that May had of postponing the Meaningful Vote.

5 minutes ago, damascase said:

Cartoonist Bas van der Schot’s view in this morning’s Dutch De Volkskrant:

If you pull a cat by it's tail do not be surprised by it's response...

8 minutes ago, evadgib said:

That is without doubt the biggest baloney spouted by you lot since 2016 ????

please explain what is wrong with my statement?

1 hour ago, Pique Dard said:

boris should go pay a visit to a hairdresser!

The Royal Barbour's at Tower Hill, should not have a problem getting an appointment as their last customer was the Duke of Monmouth in 1685...

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

People's Vote  This deal vs Remain - then let this nonsense end. 

As much as I agree with you, The EU have said today if we do not accept this deal there will be no more extensions...  

But the LibDems have tabled a motion to be added to the Queens speech requesting any deal brought back from Brussels be put to a second referendum so I would say the EU would not refuse if that was the case.

4 hours ago, HauptmannUK said:

Boris will spend tomorrow organising for the DUP to be paid off in return for their support. £Billions more going into Northern Ireland.

Boris, actually believes he can get his deal through without the DUP.

Though the maths does not add up, with 650 MP's he would need 325 in theory to get the deal approved, the Tories had 317 mp's after the last general election but now have 288 MP's 37 short of 325, so where is he going to get 37 other MP's to vote with him? at the same time ensuring every one of his own MP's votes for his deal.

Ok maybe not 325 as the 7 Sinn Fain MP's do not attend Parliament, but he is going to need a lot more MP's than he has at this time. 

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

I'm sorry but you've fallen for the Brexiteer rhetoric. For argument's sake, let's take the value of the £ as an indicator of the state of the UK economy.

 

Immediately after the vote for Brexit, the £ fell like a stone. This wasn't due to "uncertainty", it was due to the prospect of the UK leaving the EU, causing irrevocable damage to the UK economy.

 

Currently, every time that there's the slightest prospect that we leave with no deal, the £ drops, every time a no deal exit seems less lightly, the £ recovers. This isn't due to "uncertainty", it's due to the certainty of the long term damage that a no deal exit would do to the UK economy.

 

Daniel Cummings will have you believe that the fragility in the economy and the low value of the £ is due to "uncertainty" and once we have left the EU, deal or no deal, everything in the garden will be rosey, the UK economy will flourish and the value of the £ will reach new heights. If this were true, why would the £ fall every time exit and particularly no deal exit looks more certain and rise when it seems less certain?

 

Don't listen to Cummings' lies, listen to the global economists, they deal in hard nosed facts, leaving the EU will be a disaster for the UK economy. They know this, so should you.

 

Uncertainty? My backside!

Yes, the pound did fall against all other currencies the day after the referendum, actually it had been falling for days before the referendum when it became clear the result could be leave,  but the value of the pound isn't the the only factor in our economy, other things like GDP, employment, wages, inflation also count.

As for uncertaity, we do not know if it will be Brexit with a deal, a no deal Brexit, another referendum, or Brexit abandoned.

One thing most of us can agree on this uncertainty is damaging to the UK and our economy.

An there is only one thing Boris can legally do that would not require him requesting another extension. 

And The EU Parliament, EU Member States, EU Bureaucrats, Westminster or any other UK legislative body including his cabinet or the Queen, can stop, refuse to accept or reverse.

That is to Revoke Article 50, Parliament could sake him but they are going to anyway. 

18 hours ago, webfact said:

Brexit deal within reach in last-ditch talks

I presume it was "no pun intended"... 

19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Reuters is German ....... hardly independent.

Nobody knows what will happen, it's all just guessing to support you political worldview.

If you're a supporter of the New World Order, GloboHomo Inc., then you despise Brexit.

If you're a little Englander, nationalist, then you love Brexit.

 

I'm on the fence, don't care one way or the other, just wish they'd make a decision either way, and let us get on with our lives.

 

Actually I'm not all that on the fence, dissolve all local parliaments, get rid of the pound, have everyone under one Euro law, and just have Euro MPs in charge of the whole of Europe as one country would suit me just fine.

Unified pensions, nationality, social services, health care, armed forces, police, let's go all in.

And the BBC, DG appointed by the Queen on the advice of of her ministers.

14 hours ago, anterian said:

Reuters is even stronger into project fear than the BBC. 

Oh dear, who do these brexiteers really think they are fooling when they attack well respected impartial news organisations when they do not like what they say???

Comes to something when Lawyers need lawyers...