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2 threads ? See reply on the other. ATB

If you ever go abroad the 90 day requirement will run from your re-entry date. So IMO its unusual for the 2 dates to coincide but you are OK. If you had renewed 31/12, you would still have to do your 90 days from 3/2.

Place H please re-read my post : "Thats not what I said. about China. I was making the point that the UK has had a lot of yellow cards (x?) but that we cant compare to China, because we dont have that (yellow card) data from them." I understand yellow cards - Im just saying, 500,000 is a LOT, leaving aside claims that unreported events might increase that figure dramatically. BFN

PlaceH - re your last. Thats not what I said. about China. I was making the point that the UK has had a lot of yellow cards (x?) but that we cant compare to China, because we dont have that data from them. But moving on, I would suggest theres a good chance that "inactivated virus" vaccines are quite likely to be less harmful. Brian - thanks for the links.

PlaceH I am not pushing an agenda - just wanting to know more. Yellow cards - of course they are just indicators and thats why they are counted. The numbers can point to a possible problem. Its the facts behind the trends that we need to know. Where are they? Its hard not to notice in these discussions, that the excess heart deaths never seem to be explained. With respect, as if, its all wonderful so shut up and lets go with it. MMMmmmmm

Thanks for the reply PlaceH but there were 500,000 yellow cards in the UK about potentially resultant events and that is quite a lot of complaints and that is relevant to the discussion of the merits of Chinese, traditional vaccines, in comparison to MRNA. My 3rd vax after an aspirated 50% Moderna gave me 12 hours feeling really bad with stress between my shoulders, (aorta), reminiscent of 6 hours at 200 bph I spent in 2013. Off course, we cant compare the Chinese vax re. yellow cards as they dont have that freedom in China. There are no sides in this, let us just get to the truth - whatever it is. The well lauded AZ vaccine, which seems now to have absented the scene totally now - is gone without a ripple. Explanations? Admissions?

Thanks PlaceH. So thats that then. Or not. Except - "It was effective against transmission and against hospitalization and death." That sounds bl**dy great to me. But what about the yellow cards ?

Mick - China developed "inactivated virus" traditional type vaccines and IMO its very hard to judge or conclude that their Sinopharm/Sinovac is inferior to the MRNA and the viral vector (AZ) vaccines. Data is scarce but we certainly know that China injected some sectors of the population and not others. Also they relied excessively on lockdowns and we dont know if they gave boosters. The massive wave in China now is probably due to the population not having acquiring natural immunity so far. Inter - that is interesting but surely, whatever the motives for the Chinese coming now, maybe 50% of the Chinese arriving are going to bring omicron or a new variant into Thailand. IMO a test before boarding and again after 2 days quarantine after arrival. Maybe just for a few weeks until we know more about what is happening in China.

OZI - yes that is right about A-Z. And it has been quietly withdrawn from use. Brian - thanks for Media fact check. MMmmm. Thats handy. There is IMO enough evidence around for us at least to be wary and keep an open mind on the MHRA and as time goes on, more facts may emerge. I hope the situation does not become such that its right to consider another booster!

Gargamon yes of course. Each variant has so far evolved milder with Omicron being more flu like now. But something worse might arrive and then its back to the horrors of lockdowns and so on. No thanks - IMO shut the border to China, for now at least. Ozi re. Sinopharm and Sinovac - I dont think China vaccinated widely enough and maybe missed some age groups. If they havent boosted along the way, immunity could have waned. China certainly seems to be struggling with Covid atm.

More than half of passengers on a flight from China to Italy have tested positive for COVID-19 - as China prepares to open up its borders despite a huge surge in infections. Two flights into Milan were among the first to see passengers subjected to new mandatory testing imposed on Chinese travellers. Guido Bertolaso, Lombardy regional councillor for welfare, told a news conference: "On the first flight, out of 92 passengers 35 (38%) are positive. On the second, out of 120 passengers 62 (52%) are positive." On Wednesday evening the US became the fifth country to impose restrictions on Chinese travellers - as China prepares to issue ordinary passports and visas in a huge step away from COVID measures that have isolated the country for nearly three years. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-patients-no-longer-have-to-quarantine-in-hong-kong-as-restrictions-are-lifted-1277549 China has a particular problem (again) and it makes sense, at the very least, to require a covid check before departure. No mention of which variant is running riot over there ? Omicron I guess. Well done Italy, Japan and all - I would like to see the UK (and Thailand) take measures too. Like NOW !

Thanks Brian - I will study that - absolute - and - relative risk - bit later. Got a blind spot there and do not get it atm. Some good points in your link. Andrew Bridgen may be an unusual MP but we have to assess what he says - but it is already decided who he is apparently. For me 500,000 yellow cards is enough to cause some alarm never mind the accompanying doubts on the 1 in 10. And all the evidence of excess heart deaths including comments from Dr Malhotra are hard to dismiss. And it is a fact I believe that Pharma finance MHRA and FDA directly or indirectly to some extent, so plenty of grey areas and influences at work. I did listen to the routine reply from the Minister but thought it a simple put down of the inconvenient, as would be expected. I want to know more about these heart stats.

Generally I have been in favour of the covid vaccines throughout, but as more data emerges, I am really beginning to wonder. But it is hard to have a discussion when everything is doubted and there are allegations of conspiracy theory applied when it suits. IMHO the anti-vax at the start of Covid, had no facts and their positions were based on prejudice only, but as time goes on, we have got a lot more actual information arising which I am finding hard to ignore. My youngest Son is in Florida - I dont think Ron de Santis is manipulating this - he should be heard. Likewise, the MP Andrew Bridgen in his recent speech in my post above, made many good points worthy to consider. I havent even mentioned this Dr Malhotra and his comments - concerns about the increase in heart problems are valid. Just suggesting, instead of trading positions, we should look at facts as they are now. In the face of valid doubts, Moderna are making international efforts to install MRNA vax by the billion around the World - lets be sure about the MRNA before we go along with that !

Re Ron De Santis - vax issues have to be questioned. In the UK there are similar contentions https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d0cc6561-6ab9-46ea-8d6d-f07ac0cf136d and the notable Andrew Bridgen MP's comments at 7.04 pm 1. It's said there have been almost 500,000 yellow card reports of adverse effects relating to the use of the Pfizer/BioNTech MRNA covid vaccines and apparently this is more than total reported yellow cards from all sources over the last 40 years. It's also held that normally it's just 1 in 10 of these events that get reported . . . The journal 'Vaccine' analysed the original Pfizer trial data and concluded that one in 800 adverse reactions ranked as SERIOUS 'adverse events', more than the chances of being hospitalised with the original wuhan strain. 2. The original emergency approval for the Pfizer covid vaccine was given because it showed it reduced the risk of infection by 95%, (is that an absolute risk reduction of 95%?) Later data from the Omicron era says the absolute risk reduction is 0.84% meaning that 119 people are treated to prevent 1 infection and that for people over the age of 80, 7,380 people need the vax to prevent 1 death and that number becomes enormous with younger age groups. 3. A paper from Israel showed a 25% increase in cardiac arrests in 16-39 year olds and the UK showed an extra 14,000 cardiac arrests in 2021 over 2020. Myself I've seen many other reports of this nature. 4. The MP feels that FDA/MHRA would be more independent if not mainly financed directly or indirectly through Pharma and that all trial data should be in public domain. In concluding the MP implores the Govt to halt the use of MRNA vaccines completely and whilst the debate doesn't bubble on, there are frequent reports of the Govt making massive commitments, (not disclosed) to Moderna for massive future supplies of MRNA covid vaccines, presumably as updated for new variants. Similar reports from Canada, Australia, the USA. Are the UK Govt locked into early 2020 panic mode as far as Covid is concerned ? I've tried hard to understand what's going on here. I may have misinterpreted something, in which case, I am eager to learn. Covid wise I am not 'vax' or 'anti vax' but I want to know more about what's going on. OK my comments are about the UK but it's likely that Thailand will follow Europe/USA in their future moves so it affects us here. MMmmmmm

Sorry let me add to that - I've tried hard to understand what's going on here. I may have misinterpreted something, in which case, I am eager to learn. Covid wise I am not 'vax' or 'anti vax' but I want to know more about what's going on in truth. OK my comments are about the UK but it's likely that Thailand will follow Europe/USA in their future moves si it affects us here. I've had wuhan and omicron once each and 4 MHRA vax - atm though, I'm reluctant to go further. Hoping a genuinely better and safe vax may emerge. Maybe I'll wait until then ! Meantime it's E & O E. ATB

I refer to this https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d0cc6561-6ab9-46ea-8d6d-f07ac0cf136d and the notable Andrew Bridgen MP's comments at 7.04 pm 1. It's said there have been almost 500,000 yellow card reports of adverse effects relating to the use of the Pfizer/BioNTech MRNA covid vaccines and apparently this is more than total reported yellow cards from all sources over the last 40 years. It's also held that normally it's just 1 in 10 of these events that get reported . . . The journal 'Vaccine' analysed the original Pfizer trial data and concluded that one in 800 adverse reactions ranked as SERIOUS 'adverse events', more than the chances of being hospitalised with the original wuhan strain. 2. The original emergency approval for the Pfizer covid vaccine was given because it showed it reduced the risk of infection by 95%, (is that an absolute risk reduction of 95%?) Later data from the Omicron era says the absolute risk reduction is 0.84% meaning that 119 people are treated to prevent 1 infection and that for people over the age of 80, 7,380 people need the vax to prevent 1 death and that number becomes enormous with younger age groups. 3. A paper from Israel showed a 25% increase in cardiac arrests in 16-39 year olds and the UK showed an extra 14,000 cardiac arrests in 2021 over 2020. Myself I've seen many other reports of this nature. 4. The MP feels that FDA/MHRA would be more independent if not mainly financed directly or indirectly through Pharma and that all trial data should be in public domain. In concluding the MP implores the Govt to halt the use of MRNA vaccines completely and whilst the debate doesn't bubble on, there are frequent reports of the Govt making massive commitments, (not disclosed) to Moderna for massive future supplies of MRNA covid vaccines, presumably as updated for new variants. Similar reports from Canada, Australia, the USA. There may bes helpful 2nd generation vaccine of more 'universal' nature coming through and it would be good to know that they will get a fair 'hearing' as it were. The Govt. and Moderna have fully committed apparently to MRNA but it is still quite possible that another Pharma will Partner some other 2nd generation candidate which will be seen to be far superior. Are the Govt locked into early 2020 panic mode as far as Covid is concerned ?

Rice of course alcohol is a drug. I agree. Have you read the thread ? Alcohol is banned at roadside outlets but cannabis is allowed. It's odd.

Hot and Ban - the 'madness' I invoked is in the incongruity of banning alcohol in these locations but allowing cannabis. However as I'm pushed on a point I didn't make, as it happens I agree with alcohol NOT being sold at the side of the Motorway and would say that cannabis should not be sold either. You surely know well that alcohol and drugs are causal in a high proportion of road accidents. Of course you can't ban these altogether, but to make it easily and casually available on the roadside is plain barmy. I'm a Brit and as I remember, you can't buy alcohol at Motorway services there either. Or hopefully, cannabis either. And Hot, of course this is right, 'Educate and encourage a change in behaviours".

Thailand has a massive problem with road accidents and that's since time immemorial I guess. Alcohol is therefore strictly controlled, banned in fact, at all retail outlets adjacent to Motorways. On the rights and wrongs of the recent Govt actions in freeing up the selling of cannabis, I make no comment. BUT, having observed a large shop proudly selling cannabis at the large services area, travelling south on the H7 Bangkok-Chonburi Expressway, a shop in a prominent location is selling cannabis:- It's 'GREENHEAD MOTORWAY' - 'SHOP BY GREENHEAD - WE SELL THE BEST CANNABIS' !!! I am not arguing the sale of alcohol should be allowed in these locations. However it is madly incongruous to make cannabis available at the motorway roadside instead. I shudder to think what may result from this madness. ALL IMHO

Captor and Myran thanks. Wife has re-registered her online banking and surely that will help. Hidden Apps are a possibility but there is no money in the a/c anyway. I think she'll deal in cash for a while, or put money in and transfer it out immediately. We did ask at an expert computer shop and they would have done factory reset on the phone but they said it wasn't necessary. On the other hand, why would 'VAT' ring up again if they still had access ?? Elkski thanks - that is what I said to her from the start. Thanks to all - on it !!

Speedhump- you are wrong - the first thing Wife did was admit she felt really silly. What she said was true and the Police and the Bank confirmed it's happened before. Theory - to confirm, she received the phone call and was asked to hold on and also asked to touch the icon on the screen while she waited. The phone then went strange for a minute. I guess that was the App uploaded. We have found that App and deleted it. The Bank App for her internet banking has been cancelled and a new one installed. Interestingly, they rang again yesterday and received short shrift !! I'm guessing they did that because they had lost their access. Clever sods . . . . Burma thanks for that link and thanks all !!

Hi. We have deleted the APP then changed the pin number at the Bank. And secured some help at a serious computer repair shop where the Owner Lady speaks enough English so all should be sorted out basically. Wife much relieved and we'll set up further checks asap. Thanks to all for help . . . .

Briantheness please stop posting this sour stuff to me. Your having a sad and inaccurate snigger at our expense whilst we and other Posters here are sincerely trying to sort it out.

To update the Police and Bank can do nothing to help - I feel sorry for those who have lost large sums to this scam. Myran and Dan - your giving me the answers and I'm just getting to the questions LOL Great ! Q1 - will a new SIM card help ? Q2 - is a Factory reset available at one of these expert Phone shops? Q3 - the phone is a 'VIVO' android. Poor Wife seems wiped out by the Police experience, but we will try to delete that APP a bit later

Eisfeld - thanks that's another piece of the jigsaw - she was on 'Line' at the time. Yes the artwork was a blue background and Govt. type 'logo'. She was very upset originally and really thought the VAT were after her ! But with the help from here we have put the pieces together .and she's changing the a/c and PIN today. Yes lesson learned and as I told her, 'you got off lightly'. She won't be listening to similar or clicking any Apps again I'm sure !! BTW the account was empty after the B4,500 was taken. ATB